IUBB @ Northwestern - Wednesday, 2/15/23 @ 9:00 ET on BTN

[RaceToTheTop 25,186]

1 minute ago, Brass Cannon said:

Considering lack of effort by our team has been the main thing holding them back for 6 years it’s something that we should all be concerned by. But yeah just blame the refs 

Nah, I think it's better to look at the Archie Miller era and just stay miserable.  Enjoy your life.

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Considering lack of effort by our team has been the main thing holding them back for 6 years it’s something that we should all be concerned by. But yeah just blame the refs 

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[Uspshoosier 45,345]

Which teams nationally play with effort 40 mins a game in all 30+ games?   I’ve personally not seen  a team do it yet.  In a perfect world your team plays hard every single minute and your coaches call the perfect game and the players execute plays flawlessly each half with no mistakes.   people have different ways to cope with their team losing nothing more nothing less.   This game is probably viewed different by most if the name across the chest wasn’t Northwestern 

[TheWatShot 13,752]

7 minutes ago, Brass Cannon said:

Considering lack of effort by our team has been the main thing holding them back for 6 years it’s something that we should all be concerned by. But yeah just blame the refs 

It's been a lot more than lack of effort. This is just a popular coping mechanism our fanbase adopted during the bleak and depressing Archie Miller years: thinking that all our problems will go away if we just try harder. 

[HoosierAloha 30,036]

7 minutes ago, Banksyrules said:

It’s not always about effort man sometimes you get hosed. More often than not it’s about effort but this is exception to a norm. It was by far the worst reffed game I’ve seen this season. I gotta wake up at 5 so I’m going to bed. 

No, it wasn't just about effort but it played a part as well as concentration. I know it's easy to blame the refs for all our TOs, missed FTs, awful shots (Tamar says hi), and lack of defense. We played with some good effort in the second half but lacked concentration during stretches too. (we're still waiting for JHS pass to come back to earth along with wherever Gallo was tossing his pass to).

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Just now, HoosierAloha said:

No, it wasn't just about effort but it played a part as well as concentration. I know it's easy to blame the refs for all our TOs, missed FTs, awful shots (Tamar says hi), and lack of defense. We played with some good effort in the second half but lacked concentration during stretches too. (we're still waiting for JHS pass to come back to earth along with wherever Gallo was tossing his pass to).

You’re obviously stuck on one mentality and afraid to diverge from it. I agree about Bates but it was bad tonight and you just need to wake up to be honest. 

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19 minutes ago, 94Bulldog said:

How do you be tougher when a guy barrels into you at speed with a lowered shoulder?  

Beat him to the spot and set up(Galloway really didn’t. He barely got there in time because he was recovering from the crossover). Get your center of gravity lower than your opponent and take the contact head on.  You have to give a little contact back.   
 

They don’t call offensive fouls there but they don’t generally call defensive fouls either. Advantage goes to the tougher more aggressive man. It’s like that in every basketball league in North America. 

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22 minutes ago, Banksyrules said:

I’m an IU undergrad and graduate. But let’s be honest with ourselves. They win more national championships. 

They win more national championships because they’ve had more talented players and HoF coaches. Just like we won multiple titles when we had HoF coaches.  Officials have nothing to do with it.  
 

But this year they stink. did they get new refs?

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5 minutes ago, TheWatShot said:

It's been a lot more than lack of effort. This is just a popular coping mechanism our fanbase adopted during the bleak and depressing Archie Miller years: thinking that all our problems will go away if we just try harder. 

Bingo.  What lacks effort is every time IU doesn't play well, say it's because of 'lack of effort'.  

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Just now, str8baller said:

They win more national championships because they’ve had more talented players and HoF coaches. Just like we won multiple titles when we had HoF coaches.  Officials have nothing to do with it.  
 

But this year they stink. did they get new refs?

One off year… really. Why did they get the players? We had good coaches in the big ten. Money and bad conference that typically doesn’t allow the players to play. 

[HoosierAloha 30,036]

7 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

Which teams nationally play with effort 40 mins a game in all 30+ games?   I’ve personally not seen  a team do it yet.  In a perfect world your team plays hard every single minute and your coaches call the perfect game and the players execute plays flawlessly each half with no mistakes.   people have different ways to cope with their team losing nothing more nothing less.   This game is probably viewed different by most if the name across the chest wasn’t Northwestern 

There is a lot that goes into winning outside of effort like talent, coaching, experience, etc.; however, you play the percentages. Teams who play smart and with effort will increase their chances of winning (i.e. controlling what they can control). There will be games your shots don't fall and the opponents will. You can increase the odds your shot will fall by taking good open shots and making good passes to those open players (not tossing it all over the gym). You decrease your opponents chances of making shots by being in the same zip code when they take them and by playing team defense when your wing gets switched onto a guard that is going to score on him every time. We didn't do those things in the first half or in crunch time therefore we lost.

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26 minutes ago, reconmkd said:

Hummel specifically said it was a class A on woody and a class b on the bench. That was literally seconds after the other ref explained it to him.

You can read up on the definition of technicals and I think you'll agree that Hummel was incorrect or the ref explained it incorrectly to him.  There aren't many things that would constitute a class B technical on the bench -- being out of the coach's box would be one.

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1 minute ago, HoosierAloha said:

There is a lot that goes into winning outside of effort like talent, coaching, experience, etc.; however, you play the percentages. Teams who play smart and with effort will increase their chances of winning (i.e. controlling what they can control). There will be games your shots don't fall and the opponents will. You can increase the odds your shot will fall by taking good open shots and making good passes to those open players (not tossing it all over the gym). You decrease your opponents chances of making shots by being in the same zip code when they take them and by playing team defense when your wing gets switched onto a guard that is going to score on him every time. We didn't do those things in the first half or in crunch time therefore we lost.

You win some you lose some

it happens 

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3 minutes ago, str8baller said:

They win more national championships because they’ve had more talented players and HoF coaches. Just like we won multiple titles when we had HoF coaches.  Officials have nothing to do with it.  
 

But this year they stink. did they get new refs?

I actually believe the officiating does play a role in the natty drought in an indirect way. If you're an extremely talented player are you looking to play in a more free flowing game that's played in much of the ACC, SEC, and PAC12 or are you looking to through on the pads in the Big 1.o? Location, cash, and other factors play into it.

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1 minute ago, Uspshoosier said:

You win some you lose some

it happens 

I'll try to incorporate this one into the repertoire.

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2 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

You win some you lose some

it happens 

Yeah, it's almost like both teams are trying to win and teams aren't simply allowed to do everything they want to do.

[Hoosierfan1901 6,150]

Don’t get down by 19 at half, and this could’ve been a little different 

[str8baller 5,133]

2 minutes ago, Banksyrules said:

One off year… really. Why did they get the players? We had good coaches in the big ten. Money and bad conference that typically doesn’t allow the players to play. 

They get the players because they have great coaches. They just had two guys retire with 8 titles between them. The big ten hasn’t had anyone close to that since Knight was in his heyday 30 years ago. You think that is because of officiating?  That is patently absurd.   
 

Good lord, you guys take your myopic whining so far that you have yourself convinced the big bad scary officials are out to get IU and are holding us back. It couldn’t be our own incompetence or other programs’ excellence. Nope…. It must be the officials. That is a world view that don’t hold up to the slightest bit of scrutiny. 

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1 minute ago, HoosierAloha said:

I'll try to incorporate this one into the repertoire.

Just different views that’s all.    I accept that fact that teams are going to lose especially on the road.  I accept that teams are not going to give full effort and concentration night in and night out.   I accept teams are just going to lose without coming up with an explanation.   You view it differently.  

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2 minutes ago, HoosierAloha said:

I actually believe the officiating does play a role in the natty drought in an indirect way. If you're an extremely talented player are you looking to play in a more free flowing game that's played in much of the ACC, SEC, and PAC12 or are you looking to through on the pads in the Big 1.o? Location, cash, and other factors play into it.

And, hell, if you gave me the Big Ten, ACC, SEC, and Pac 12 conferences and told me to pick the one most likely to have the national champion this year, I'm not taking the Big Ten even though they'll have more teams in the tournament than any of the other conferences -- and probably as many as the ACC and Pac 12 combined.