*RANT HERE*

[HoosierHoopster]

1 hour ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

But we are talking about two different coaching staffs and philosophies... I don't think Dipo becomes Dipo under Woody. Crean had something there. Whatever it was.

I think we're saying the same thing Chicken. I want the staff encouraging shooting, that's one of my biggest concerns right now.

[HoosierHoopster]

1 hour ago, Golfman25 said:

He freaking worked his a$$ off between soph and Jr. year.  Became a beast.  

 A lot of it is basketball IQ.  If I'm less than 30% from three, there is little value in taking a shot with more than 15 seconds on the clock.  Get down to under 7, then shoot away.   If I'm closer to 40%, then bombs away whenever I touch the ball.  

Well, that's kind of a cop out. Yeah, he worked his azz off. So do most IU players. Can't just disregard what encouraging shooting does by saying but Vic worked his azz off. What we have is a team that shoots by volume at the FREAKING BOTTOM of the NCAA. That's ridiculous. We have guys who can shoot, encourage shooting, encourage spreading the offense, work the ball inside out - that we don't is one reason we lose.

[AZ Hoosier]

42 minutes ago, RaceToTheTop said:

I'm not sure Gunn's shooting has been a lack of time in the gym.  But it isn't practice that makes perfect -- it's perfect practice that makes perfect.

Indeed. Practice makes permanent. If you do it wrong over and over and over, that becomes the only way you can do it...

[Golfman25]

15 minutes ago, HoosierHoopster said:

Well, that's kind of a cop out. Yeah, he worked his azz off. So do most IU players. Can't just disregard what encouraging shooting does by saying but Vic worked his azz off. What we have is a team that shoots by volume at the FREAKING BOTTOM of the NCAA. That's ridiculous. We have guys who can shoot, encourage shooting, encourage spreading the offense, work the ball inside out - that we don't is one reason we lose.

Why would you encourage guys who can't shoot to take quick shots?  It's about taking good shots, not just any shot.  Unless we have a break, we should come down on offense, move the ball, and work the clock, until we get a good shot.  Not some of the crazy crap we do now.  We don't really do any of that.  No reason you can't dump it into the post, then push it back out, and reset back to the post, work it around, etc.  Our post guys get it, and think they have to take a shot, usually double/triple teamed.  

[8bucks]

3 hours ago, btownqb said:

Respectively, he was never that guy. That wasn't his skillset in HS. 

When he hit 3s.. they were generally wide open because the teams were willing to give those up to him. 

Shooting wasnt his thing in HS? This is a review of one of his IU years and mentions how he was primarily a shooter in HS but that has not transitioned to IU  

https://www.insidethehall.com/2023/10/24/2023-24-indiana-basketball-player-profile-anthony-leal/

this one talks about his commitment and how he is best known as a shooter  also talks about how he has been trying to transition into a complete player  

https://www.thedailyhoosier.com/iu-basketball-recruiting-bloomington-native-anthony-leal-commits-to-hoosiers/

 

[8bucks]

1 hour ago, rcs29 said:

There was a lot of talk about the work Franklin put in between FR and SO year.

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His improvement came during Covid right. He pleaded with his mom to buy a portable hoop and he shot on his own outside 

[HoosierHoopster]

6 minutes ago, Golfman25 said:

Why would you encourage guys who can't shoot to take quick shots?  It's about taking good shots, not just any shot.  Unless we have a break, we should come down on offense, move the ball, and work the clock, until we get a good shot.  Not some of the crazy crap we do now.  We don't really do any of that.  No reason you can't dump it into the post, then push it back out, and reset back to the post, work it around, etc.  Our post guys get it, and think they have to take a shot, usually double/triple teamed.  

First, we do have guys who can shoot. Second, no one said "quick shots" -- what I'm (very clearly) talking about is volume. Do you really think it's OK that we're at bottom of the NCAA in outside shot attempts? If so you're living in the past, this isn't the 80's, you have to have a 3-point game to make it far. 

If by "dump it into the post, then push it back out" you mean an inside-out game, absolutely. But then you go on with "reset back to the post" and our post guys get it. So I don't know if you're really saying play to the post, play the front court game. If so, I disagree, unless you have Frankenstein (PU) up front, you're just going to add up L's, and even with Frankenstein, you're not running deep in March anyway. We need a legit 3-point game. 

[HoosierHoopster]

2 hours ago, Chris007 said:

Dipo shot 500 shots a day at cook hall in the summer. Crean had nothing to do with that. I used to take my son over to just watch VO workout in the summer. That was all VO wanting to be great and IU having to facilities to let him do it

But there are plenty of guys who put up hundreds of shots. Regardless, the point is we're barely taking any outside shots, and yes we do have guys who can hit, but they can't hit if we're taking like 12-14 outside shots a game. Volume matters.

[Scotty R]

3 hours ago, IUFAN1976 said:

Aren’t we a power conference team?

That is my point that our roster is so bad that these two are getting playing time.

[Chris007]

30 minutes ago, HoosierHoopster said:

But there are plenty of guys who put up hundreds of shots. Regardless, the point is we're barely taking any outside shots, and yes we do have guys who can hit, but they can't hit if we're taking like 12-14 outside shots a game. Volume matters.

Weren’t we 6-27 last game? I think our volume has gone up during the conference season.

[Bowhunter]

It’s roster construction plain and simple. No excuse for missing on A good guard in the portal. You insert James Battle in this lineup and we are a 5 seed in March. Right now we are projected to miss tournament.

[Golfman25]

1 hour ago, HoosierHoopster said:

First, we do have guys who can shoot. Second, no one said "quick shots" -- what I'm (very clearly) talking about is volume. Do you really think it's OK that we're at bottom of the NCAA in outside shot attempts? If so you're living in the past, this isn't the 80's, you have to have a 3-point game to make it far. 

If by "dump it into the post, then push it back out" you mean an inside-out game, absolutely. But then you go on with "reset back to the post" and our post guys get it. So I don't know if you're really saying play to the post, play the front court game. If so, I disagree, unless you have Frankenstein (PU) up front, you're just going to add up L's, and even with Frankenstein, you're not running deep in March anyway. We need a legit 3-point game. 

Moneyball rule -- if we have guys who can shoot, why don't they shoot good?  I would rather have good high-percentage shots than volume.    An open 3 with 20 seconds on the clock for Jordan Hulls is high percentage.  For our current guys, it's basically a turnover.  Offense should work to get that high-percentage shot, which is different for each player.  Our offense doesn't do that.  The ball sticks.  Movement stops.  Defenses  just have to stand there and defend.   

[HoosierHoopster]

9 minutes ago, Golfman25 said:

Moneyball rule -- if we have guys who can shoot, why don't they shoot good?  I would rather have good high-percentage shots than volume.    An open 3 with 20 seconds on the clock for Jordan Hulls is high percentage.  For our current guys, it's basically a turnover.  Offense should work to get that high-percentage shot, which is different for each player.  Our offense doesn't do that.  The ball sticks.  Movement stops.  Defenses  just have to stand there and defend.   

We see things differently. I see multiple open shots passed up, and the lack of inside-out play (we saw it one game and we lit it up), the lack of p&p, and guys who look like they’re worried about whether they have the right to take the shot. Hulls, of course, had a big green light (as he should have) to shoot.
How many outside shots a game do you think those Crean teams had? Crean had problems on yhe defensive end, but shooting? We were a top scoring team repeatedly. 
Our problem on this team is not a lack of movement, it’s a lack of shooting - volume. However, I agree somewhat with people questioning how Gallo is being used offensively. He’s more a playmaker, don’t know what happened to his shooting confidence but he creates really well, would like to see him driving and kicking out more.

[HoosierHoopster]

1 hour ago, Chris007 said:

Weren’t we 6-27 last game? I think our volume has gone up during the conference season.

Just one game and way outside the norm. I hope it continues,  shots will begin to drop.(and it was actually 7-26 fwiw)

previous 4 in reverse order total outside shots

12

18

9

9

[8bucks]

2 hours ago, RaceToTheTop said:

I'm not sure Gunn's shooting has been a lack of time in the gym.  But it isn't practice that makes perfect -- it's perfect practice that makes perfect.

I think Gunn struggles with confidence.  Even though he shoots a lot I am pretty sure coaches may want him shooting in games hopefully to overcome that.  

During practices it is not uncommon for him to be off by himself shooting.  Which probably does not sound odd but to a friend of mine who has been at practices he thought it was odd. I think was even told it was confidence with him by the staff but not positive on this part.  

Would have loved to see him play more in high school to know what his game looked like when he was on.  

[HoosierTrav]

On 1/11/2024 at 11:45 AM, Hoosier DaDa said:

You aren't the only one saying Pearl would kill it here just using your comment to reply.  I not in the majority here on Pearl what has the guy really done?  His time at Auburn he has missed the tourney more than he has made it.  He has been in trouble multiple times with the NCAA.  Like someone else mentioned his age.  Please someone let me know what I'm missing but I don't think Pearl would do good here. 

Sorry. Just now seeing this….but….

That’s a lot of regular season conference championships, conference tournament championships, and ncaa tournament appearances. A Final Four. And he’s made the sweet 16 with every Div1 team he’s coached. 
 

I’m trying to think of a coach we’ve hired, since Knight, with a better resume than that.  

[IUFAN1976]

13 hours ago, 8bucks said:

I think Gunn struggles with confidence.  Even though he shoots a lot I am pretty sure coaches may want him shooting in games hopefully to overcome that.  

During practices it is not uncommon for him to be off by himself shooting.  Which probably does not sound odd but to a friend of mine who has been at practices he thought it was odd. I think was even told it was confidence with him by the staff but not positive on this part.  

Would have loved to see him play more in high school to know what his game looked like when he was on.  

I think the problem with practice and game is how he is practicing that shot.  He seems to get a lot of lift on his shot but tends to fade away a lot, which is why he misses on the front of the rim.  If he practices and goes straight up, and then in game he fades, that’s the difference.  He probably fades because he has a defender coming at him.  I have noticed when he goes straight up for his shot it’s more accurate but some go in and out.

[Josh]

21 minutes ago, IUFAN1976 said:

I think the problem with practice and game is how he is practicing that shot.  He seems to get a lot of lift on his shot but tends to fade away a lot, which is why he misses on the front of the rim.  If he practices and goes straight up, and then in game he fades, that’s the difference.  He probably fades because he has a defender coming at him.  I have noticed when he goes straight up for his shot it’s more accurate but some go in and out.

Truth, which is the same truth with Cupps.  Why in the world are the coaches not coaching them on this??

[Henryville Hoosier]

Why does a team with the possession arrow call timeout when their is a tie up? Wouldn't  it be better to save the timeout?

[IUFAN1976]

4 hours ago, Josh said:

Truth, which is the same truth with Cupps.  Why in the world are the coaches not coaching them on this??

It’s a head scratcher!!!!