*RANT HERE*

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich 8,836]

15 minutes ago, rcs29 said:

Bandit man.....I totally relate with Bandit.

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The most relatable parents on TV... Maybe ever. I catch myself watching it more than the kids. 

[JSHoosier 20,608]

5 hours ago, HoosierAloha said:

If Mike Woodson hadn’t played basketball at IU ~40 years ago would we have even considered him for the job? Among Big 1.o coaches, where does Woody rank?

Among Big 1.o programs, where does IU rank? Not in terms of fan support or fan money but with the AD emphasizing their programs. How many times has it come up that coach X wouldn’t listen to IU because of the administration? I believe it’s happened at least twice. Where there’s smoke there’s fire.

How can we not land a stud coach? What has the admin done in the past two decades that has pushed us ahead (not caught us up to the middle of the Big 1.o)?

On the bolded, no.  At least not if anyone involved had a functioning brain cell.

[Hoosier987 1,401]

9 hours ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

Yea it wouldn't have been close. Honestly, feels like he was hired knowing he'd score up.. just to tank the program. 

Our admin tanked it far more than Sampson

[Dave from Dayton 3,367]

10 hours ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

Take out those first 3 years... And he's probably our best coach since Knight... Production wise. 

And take out the last year where Crean's IU didn't make the NCAAT.  I won't mention the NIT.  And left the cupboard empty for the next coach.  

Recruiting had gone flat.  And we all questioned his substitutions.  

Right now, I would say that the jury is still out on Coach Woody.  

[monskisprodigy 2,019]

9 hours ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

The most relatable parents on TV... Maybe ever. I catch myself watching it more than the kids. 

Reading this as I currently listen to the Bluey intro song playing downstairs for my middle kid home with pink eye (gross). 

Speaking of that....what do IUBB and and pink eye have in common...oh never mind. 

[HoosierFan1994 4,778]

I remember when Coach Woodson took over IU. He was on Dakich and he even said it in his press conference regarding players in the portal: We have to want these players for them to come back. It sure doesn't seem like it. I 100% understand transitions. But 7 of the 13 players on this current team were handpicked by probably the worst coach in program history. 9 of 13 last year. Also, two of our three current assistant coaches were from the previous staff. I'm sorry but this has to be asked. Why? I'm not saying to completely clean house, but of those 7 players from the previous staff 3 are not B1G caliber players. The jury is still out on some. I just think in today's era of the portal a new coach needs to bring in new talent when he is taking over a job. Especially when the program has been a losing one like IU was! X and JHS are guys Woody brought in. I've been impressed so far. Tamar is up and down but still he's an upgrade. Maybe Malik too. Imagine our roster if Woodson was able to bring in some more guys. Again, this is his fault. I'm just saying I think this question needs to be asked. Majority of our program has players/coaches from what is in my opinion one of the worst periods of IU basketball. It was understandable last year. It's year two now. Not a bright idea looking back on it. 

[HoosierCoop 3,977]

I sat through the Indiana State Fair Queen pageant this weekend.  I was more into the pageant than the IU game.  I only checked the score twice.

Yeah.................It's that bad!

[Chris007 46,603]

39 minutes ago, HoosierFan1994 said:

I remember when Coach Woodson took over IU. He was on Dakich and he even said it in his press conference regarding players in the portal: We have to want these players for them to come back. It sure doesn't seem like it. I 100% understand transitions. But 7 of the 13 players on this current team were handpicked by probably the worst coach in program history. 9 of 13 last year. Also, two of our three current assistant coaches were from the previous staff. I'm sorry but this has to be asked. Why? I'm not saying to completely clean house, but of those 7 players from the previous staff 3 are not B1G caliber players. The jury is still out on some. I just think in today's era of the portal a new coach needs to bring in new talent when he is taking over a job. Especially when the program has been a losing one like IU was! X and JHS are guys Woody brought in. I've been impressed so far. Tamar is up and down but still he's an upgrade. Maybe Malik too. Imagine our roster if Woodson was able to bring in some more guys. Again, this is his fault. I'm just saying I think this question needs to be asked. Majority of our program has players/coaches from what is in my opinion one of the worst periods of IU basketball. It was understandable last year. It's year two now. Not a bright idea looking back on it. 

I agree with this. Not sure why we fought so hard to make sure some players didn't transfer. With our NIL money and the transfer portal, we can get players that fit whatever we're trying to do better than trying to get current players to fit this system. 

[go iu bb 6,784]

21 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

I agree with this. Not sure why we fought so hard to make sure some players didn't transfer. With our NIL money and the transfer portal, we can get players that fit whatever we're trying to do better than trying to get current players to fit this system. 

I wonder if part of it was ego, to show he could win with the previous coach's players. Or maybe he thought he could "fix" them.

[Chris007 46,603]

6 minutes ago, go iu bb said:

I wonder if part of it was ego, to show he could win with the previous coach's players. Or maybe he thought he could "fix" them.

I also wonder if the assistant who recruited them sold him that they were worth fighting for. Who knows but hopefully we won't make that mistake again. 

[Class of '66 Old Fart 86,045]

I felt in part it was if too many left, he'd have to spend too much time recruiting for his first season with a short window to do so vs. spending time recruiting for his second season.

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich 8,836]

2 hours ago, Dave from Dayton said:

And take out the last year where Crean's IU didn't make the NCAAT.  I won't mention the NIT.  And left the cupboard empty for the next coach.  

Recruiting had gone flat.  And we all questioned his substitutions.  

Right now, I would say that the jury is still out on Coach Woody.  

And let's not forget 4 NCAAT, 2 B1G titles, 6 wins in the tourney, being ranked #1... Being in the Top 20 a lot in 2 other seasons... Yea Woody isn't projecting to be anywhere near the same galaxy. 

[Golfman25 5,820]

3 hours ago, Hoosier987 said:

Our admin tanked it far more than Sampson

I don't think most people realize the effect of the essential death sentence we gave ourselves.  Almost impossible to recover, as we can see (see SMU football).    

[HoosierAloha 30,077]

1 hour ago, HoosierFan1994 said:

I remember when Coach Woodson took over IU. He was on Dakich and he even said it in his press conference regarding players in the portal: We have to want these players for them to come back. It sure doesn't seem like it. I 100% understand transitions. But 7 of the 13 players on this current team were handpicked by probably the worst coach in program history. 9 of 13 last year. Also, two of our three current assistant coaches were from the previous staff. I'm sorry but this has to be asked. Why? I'm not saying to completely clean house, but of those 7 players from the previous staff 3 are not B1G caliber players. The jury is still out on some. I just think in today's era of the portal a new coach needs to bring in new talent when he is taking over a job. Especially when the program has been a losing one like IU was! X and JHS are guys Woody brought in. I've been impressed so far. Tamar is up and down but still he's an upgrade. Maybe Malik too. Imagine our roster if Woodson was able to bring in some more guys. Again, this is his fault. I'm just saying I think this question needs to be asked. Majority of our program has players/coaches from what is in my opinion one of the worst periods of IU basketball. It was understandable last year. It's year two now. Not a bright idea looking back on it. 

A possible consequence of this is the younger players believing this is an acceptable way. Those players continue doing what they saw the older players doing and the cycle doesn't get broken of what is acceptable vs. unacceptable.

Hulls, VJIII, Watford, Oladipo and that group worked their @$$ off to develop individually and as a team to get better. They addressed weaknesses in the offseason and were hungry for success. It showed. I don't get that from this group. I thought we'd be better than last season from adding pieces and a year of maturity. I believe we are more talented but not sure from a team perspective. The team from last season had a difficult time scoring but against our current defense we might make Phinisee look like an offensive juggernaut.

[Golfman25 5,820]

1 hour ago, HoosierFan1994 said:

I remember when Coach Woodson took over IU. He was on Dakich and he even said it in his press conference regarding players in the portal: We have to want these players for them to come back. It sure doesn't seem like it. I 100% understand transitions. But 7 of the 13 players on this current team were handpicked by probably the worst coach in program history. 9 of 13 last year. Also, two of our three current assistant coaches were from the previous staff. I'm sorry but this has to be asked. Why? I'm not saying to completely clean house, but of those 7 players from the previous staff 3 are not B1G caliber players. The jury is still out on some. I just think in today's era of the portal a new coach needs to bring in new talent when he is taking over a job. Especially when the program has been a losing one like IU was! X and JHS are guys Woody brought in. I've been impressed so far. Tamar is up and down but still he's an upgrade. Maybe Malik too. Imagine our roster if Woodson was able to bring in some more guys. Again, this is his fault. I'm just saying I think this question needs to be asked. Majority of our program has players/coaches from what is in my opinion one of the worst periods of IU basketball. It was understandable last year. It's year two now. Not a bright idea looking back on it. 

Woody was a late hire, so I understand focusing on the team you have.  But after the first year, some harder evaluations should have been made -- especially regarding culture, work ethic, and potential.  So players have gotten better, but some not so much.  

[go iu bb 6,784]

2 minutes ago, HoosierAloha said:

I thought we'd be better than last season from adding pieces and a year of maturity. I believe we are more talented but not sure from a team perspective.

That was the belief of almost everyone. That's why IU was so highly ranked coming into the season and were favored to win the B1G. It wasn't because they were great last year, because they weren't. It was because they started playing well at the end of the season. It was assumed that they would be able to continue to play like that as well as having individual improvements plus the influx of talent. Obviously, they lost the drive to compete like they had at the end of last year, the individual improvements didn't happen, and only 1 of the new players has really had a impact. 

[Golfman25 5,820]

Go look at the defensive film that other site put up.  Scary bad.   

[Woodsonshump 305]

Might as well get used to mediocrity, because if it takes a few years to fire a non-IU grad, they'll never fire a native son. This, my friends, is the new Indiana basketball.

[Rico 3,210]

7 minutes ago, hoosierfan84 said:

Might as well get used to mediocrity, because if it takes a few years to fire a non-IU grad, they'll never fire a native son. This, my friends, is the new Indiana basketball.

 

[Uspshoosier 46,783]

2 minutes ago, Rico said:

 

Jared is having a good morning