B1G expansion

[Southside]

7 hours ago, Rico said:

Clemson's basketball history is not good at all.

Same with several B10 teams.

Lately though, they have made the tournament twice in the last 4-5 years, and also made the Sweet 16 in one of those trips. 

But currently, their FB is blue chip, their BB is passable, market good, etc.. That's a better profile than most candidates.

[Southside]

3 hours ago, Magnanimous said:

Still need to be strategic about letting too many juggernauts into the conference, which in turn pushes us further down the totem pole in conference value contributions. I think there are too many intricacies between Big Ten universities that come with membership (research funding, library resources, etc.) to have “dead weight programs” actually be voted out, but if ND joins, there would be three Indiana teams in the conference…so we have to be judicious about this. What if one day Ohio State, Michigan, USC, Bama and Georgia no longer want to share equal media revenue with schools like IU and Vandy? Of the bottom tier B1G football programs, Rutgers and Maryland at least bring their own unique and valuable markets and Northwestern has the obvious edge in academics and some football success.

It's simply a business a now (NIL, TV), and IU needs to start acting more like a business.

They need to start taking their equal shares in the broadcasting contracts, and improve the FB team. It's that simple. And assuming the PAC, B12, and ACC start to weaken or fold, that means IU will have more opportunity to improve recruiting. 

But IU has more value than you think outside of FB. We're pretty decent in Baseball, and pretty good in soccer. Overall, we're ranked in the top 25 of most NCAA Championships. 

[cthomas]

To quote a line from a song from the late, great Jerry Jeff Walker, "Be careful how you play the game, or else the game plays you." I think we are deep into that territory.

[LIHoosier]

Meanwhile on the southern side of the tracks...from a swimming site of all places.

https://swimswam.com/source-virginia-north-carolina-florida-state-clemson-in-talks-to-join-sec/

Also, some in-fighting towards who gets invited.

"According to the source, money is a major factor along with recruiting clashes. Florida reportedly doesn’t want Miami to join, Tennessee doesn’t want UNC, and Kentucky doesn’t want Louisville."

[Southside]

1 hour ago, LIHoosier said:

Meanwhile on the southern side of the tracks...from a swimming site of all places.

https://swimswam.com/source-virginia-north-carolina-florida-state-clemson-in-talks-to-join-sec/

Also, some in-fighting towards who gets invited.

"According to the source, money is a major factor along with recruiting clashes. Florida reportedly doesn’t want Miami to join, Tennessee doesn’t want UNC, and Kentucky doesn’t want Louisville."

 

Yup, there's always FB and BB recruiting clashes, which historically has pushed a lot of intra state teams to split conferences. 

TX A&M for instance was tired of UT (TX) for many reasons, one big one being recruiting. Now UT is following. 

And there's even a little chatter about one of them ending up in the B10. If I were either, no way I'd leave the SEC, but I could understand either move. 

It's why I think Miami and FSU will end up splitting between the B10 and SEC once the music stops. 

[Southside]

lol

 

[IUFootballHappyHappyJoyJoy]

On 7/6/2022 at 6:57 PM, Southside said:

That sounds crazy. 

For the life of me, can't understand why they don't focus on desalinization. Several other countries and states are building plants left and right. Saudi produces a ton. MX too. Australia is going all on in on it. Tampa has the largest plant in the US, and does like 20+M gallons a day, costing about 0.003 per gallon.  That's a cost to an average household of about $7/month (purely production costs).

Desalination is very expensive and labor intensive, not to mention you have all the issues of what to do with the brine that's left over (if you just dump it out in the ocean, it can cause severe damage to the ecosystem), and its a pain in the @$$ to get stuff further inland.  The bigger solution would be conservation, which would be a multi-pronged idea, such as reducing water wasters, like golf courses and water parks (Why would you have water parks in the desert when you're, like, 60-70 miles from the ocean?) as well as changing up the agriculture plans in California, like growing cruciferous crops and beans instead of artichokes and almonds and raising chickens instead of cattle.

However, that all involves a lot of long term change and... change sucks.  And is expensive.

[IUFootballHappyHappyJoyJoy]

2 hours ago, Southside said:

lol

 

In wrestling terms, if the Alliance was Pro Wrestling USA (which was the NWA/AWA/World Class/regional feds) back in the mid 80s, this is Verne Gagne trying again with Super Clash III.  So depressing.

[Southside]

8 minutes ago, IUFootballEndlessMisery said:

Desalination is very expensive and labor intensive, not to mention you have all the issues of what to do with the brine that's left over (if you just dump it out in the ocean, it can cause severe damage to the ecosystem), and its a pain in the @$$ to get stuff further inland.  The bigger solution would be conservation, which would be a multi-pronged idea, such as reducing water wasters, like golf courses and water parks (Why would you have water parks in the desert when you're, like, 60-70 miles from the ocean?) as well as changing up the agriculture plans in California, like growing cruciferous crops and beans instead of artichokes and almonds and raising chickens instead of cattle.

However, that all involves a lot of long term change and... change sucks.  And is expensive.

The processes are improving, and the price is decreasing. Many countries are even using solar and wind turbines to offset the energy required. Never heard that it's labor intensive. Like I posted, the production cost (not initial capital outlay) for Tampa is about 7 bucks a household. That's simply not much. 

I'd add that water for irrigation and other uses require less processing than drinking water. 

I read a few articles yesterday after posting. The Carlsbad plant cost only $1B to build, and provides 50M gallons a day to SD County. If Cali can spend $5B on a train to nowhere, a few more desal plants sounds like a solid investment. 

And I don't mean to sound snotty at all, but turning the ag world upside down, or poo pooing golf courses and waterparks, just isn't reality. Sure some changes are probably needed, but ag is already highly over-regulated. We've driven cost up so much already we're having to import which creates a ton of other problems and vulnerabilities. And that's about as silly as buying oil from other countries which use far dirtier extraction and processing than we do here in the US. 

But in simple terms, when only 0.83% of the water on this planet is fresh water, and we have giant oceans of saltwater that are rising, makes a lot sense to figure out how to take that water and make it usable. 

[Southside]

54 minutes ago, IUFootballEndlessMisery said:

In wrestling terms, if the Alliance was Pro Wrestling USA (which was the NWA/AWA/World Class/regional feds) back in the mid 80s, this is Verne Gagne trying again with Super Clash III.  So depressing.

Didn't he win that though? lol..

I didn't follow much wrastlin' after Purdue Person the Bruiser (my grandfather loved him) retired. Wasn't really a fan at the time to be honest, it was just on his TV lol.  

[woodenshoemanHoosierfan]

There a tons of youtube vids documenting it. It is noticeably dropping by the day. Not sure what the answer is to that. Billions of $$ worth of thirsty agriculture in that big ol valley.

Let it revert back to a desert.

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[Brass Cannon]

21 hours ago, Southside said:

The processes are improving, and the price is decreasing. Many countries are even using solar and wind turbines to offset the energy required. Never heard that it's labor intensive. Like I posted, the production cost (not initial capital outlay) for Tampa is about 7 bucks a household. That's simply not much. 

I'd add that water for irrigation and other uses require less processing than drinking water. 

I read a few articles yesterday after posting. The Carlsbad plant cost only $1B to build, and provides 50M gallons a day to SD County. If Cali can spend $5B on a train to nowhere, a few more desal plants sounds like a solid investment. 

And I don't mean to sound snotty at all, but turning the ag world upside down, or poo pooing golf courses and waterparks, just isn't reality. Sure some changes are probably needed, but ag is already highly over-regulated. We've driven cost up so much already we're having to import which creates a ton of other problems and vulnerabilities. And that's about as silly as buying oil from other countries which use far dirtier extraction and processing than we do here in the US. 

But in simple terms, when only 0.83% of the water on this planet is fresh water, and we have giant oceans of saltwater that are rising, makes a lot sense to figure out how to take that water and make it usable. 

Conservation is 100% the way to go.  And no we do not have to import food.  We import certain foods because of competitive advantage but we are the worlds largest food exporter. 
 

 

[Southside]

33 minutes ago, Brass Cannon said:

Conservation is 100% the way to go.  And no we do not have to import food.  We import certain foods because of competitive advantage but we are the worlds largest food exporter. 

We should make efforts to conserve. But saying it will solve the problem, or even happens, is just not reality. 

And you're incorrect about food. Our exports are heavily slanted to soybeans. Our total net ag import/export is either already net importer, or at minimum will be a net importer within the next year or two. The USDA says so as well... 

The first two charts are imports.

The third shows export of 131B, import of 151B.

The 4th is the import/export + net view. 

 

[Southside]

 

Good article on UNC/Duke in terms of them staying tethered or not.

https://www.newsobserver.com/sports/college/acc/article263209423.html

[str8baller]

On 7/7/2022 at 3:22 PM, Hardwood83 said:

Yep. If the conference merry-go-round of the last decade or so has proved anything it's that tradition, geo proximity and history have absolutely no influence at all. None. It's become straight up mercenary "who pays the most?" 

This isn’t true. If it were schools like IU and Vandy wouldn’t be involved in either major conference.  

[Southside]

7 hours ago, Hardwood83 said:

It is true and there are many examples to prove the point, off the top of my head: Missouri, A&M, Nebraska, Colorado, Oklahoma, Texas, Maryland, now USC & UCLA to name a few, and that is only from more recent Power 5 conferences. Just because it hasn't reached EVERY aspect (kicking out the weak) -yet- doesn't mean it's not happening. It's still evolving. Do you know of a single instance where a school turned down a "better" conference because it would sever rivalries or didn't make sense geographically? Yeah, me either, but there are lots of stories of schools begging to get in and their rivals and partner schools don't factor in the equation. Oklahoma is going on it's 3rd conference in my lifetime- and they are a top 5 football program.  

IU and Vandy have the good fortune of already being in the right conference. What you are pointing out is "consolidation", likely phase 2. There is open discussion of a 50-60 team football division. Do you believe IU or Vandy is gonna make that cut? Football powerhouses like Miami, Florida St, Clemson and USC are watching their conferences disintegrate around them. Texas has their own sports network. Oregon is a wholly owned subsidiary of Nike. All the success, money, history and prestige in the world and they still are getting swept up in the current. Nothing is certain and a historically awful IU football program is definitely at risk of being left behind. 

Purely my opinion... But I think we'll end with 3 super conferences. Of course the B10 and SEC. Then likely either a much expanded B12, or what is more or less a merger between the B12 and better PAC schools. 

The B10 and SEC are going to pick off teams and likely get to 20 each. A ton of chatter about the SEC going after Clemson, FSU, Miami, Baylor, Louisville, OK St, etc.. Even some about UNC. They seem more content than the B10 to stay closer to the SE geo than the B10 to the MW. IMO, it's simply easier for the SEC to acquire good teams close to home.  

But after the B10 / SEC dust settles, there's still going to be a lot of good teams remaining, thus the 3rd big league. And overall, I just think a 3x20 type of situation leaves IU very safe. I don't see the B10 ever dumping schools, at least not in the next 10+ years. 

[Southside]

 

Read a couple reports this week that FSU is now ramping up internal discussion about leaving the ACC.

Per the same sources, they have talked to both the B10 and SEC. 

I'd be more than fine with either FSU or Miami. 

 

 

[Banksyrules]

I’m hearing that everyone is waiting on the Big Ten before possibly thinking of joining the SEC. Simply because the addition of USC and UCLA have made our conference  available in all the time zones.  

[Southside]

34 minutes ago, Banksyrules said:

I’m hearing that everyone is waiting on the Big Ten before possibly thinking of joining the SEC. Simply because the addition of USC and UCLA have made our conference  available in all the time zones.  

It's likely made the B10 a lot more attractive to some of the better teams in the B12.

It'll be interesting to see what happens in the ACC. All of the ACC teams have huge buyouts if they leave. Something like 500M if they bolt prior to 2036 (when the ESPN contract expires). If reports are true about FSU, I guess it's not a show stopper. I'd wonder, and perhaps assume that the B10 might help with the buyout if they really wanted the team. That's one reason why I think teams with poor FB teams are a lot less likely to be targeted. 

[Southside]

 

 

Guessing the first tweet (odds on B10) will change a bit with the FSU news.