UCLA and USC Joining the Big Ten

[Southside]

1 hour ago, HoosierHoopster said:

A sweet and sour comment from Lunardi:

"As for historic impact in men's basketball, no right-thinking person could argue the Big Ten is a good thing for the Bruins or Trojans. Is either going to outgun the Michigan States and Indianas on a year-in, year-out basis? And the example of Nebraska football sliding toward irrelevance in the Big Ten is a not-so-insignificant corollary. " https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/34173740/what-ucla-usc-moves-pac-12-big-ten-mean-college-basketball

 

 

Purely my opinion, but I see no comp at all with Nebraska.

USC and UCLA come from one of the richest recruiting states for all sports. And I'd think the Cali kids will actually find the B10 more attractive. A lot of Cali kids leave Cali, especially for FB. Not all that sure on BB. But for FB at least, this might actually help them recruiting wise. And if you're a Cali kid and want to stay home, your options just got clearer. 

Lincoln Riley is already making headway at USC. I'm a little surprised CKelly hasn't seen more progress at UCLA. 

[5fouls]

On 7/1/2022 at 2:14 PM, AKHoosier said:

That means nothing.

The Big Ten's reported wish list of ND, Oregon, UNC, and Stanford disagrees with that sentiment.

 

[Hovadipo]

50 minutes ago, 5fouls said:

The Big Ten's reported wish list of ND, Oregon, UNC, and Stanford disagrees with that sentiment.

 

Stanford strokes the B1G academics ego while also adding huge value to a TV deal simply by being in the Bay Area market. I'd guess they're very much in play.

[rayl456]

8 minutes ago, Hardwood83 said:

Herbstreit sees teams like IU football eventually getting kicked out of the club: Daily Hoosier article

That was an early thought that I also had.

[go iu bb]

https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/sec-football/big-ten-expansion-means-revenue-estimate-spikes-especially-with-the-college-football-playoff-per-report/

Says the B1G TV rights are now in the $1.28B-1.6B per year range. Up from $1B.

[5fouls]

33 minutes ago, Hardwood83 said:

Herbstreit sees teams like IU football eventually getting kicked out of the club: Daily Hoosier article

Just read the article.  Not sure his comments about getting left out include IU.  Current  Power 5 teams like Washington State, Oregon State, Wake Forest, Duke, Kansas, etc could be in serious  trouble.

 I think already being in the Big Ten insulates IU, PU, and NW.  If IU was currently in the Pac12 or Big12 instead?  Yeah, that would be time to worry.

A lot depends on the size of the breakaway.  If it's 32 teams, IU has no chance.  If it's 48, we are on the bubble.  If it's 55+, we have very little to worry about.

Edited July 5, 2022 by 5fouls

[Magnanimous]

48 minutes ago, 5fouls said:

Just read the article.  Not sure his comments about getting left out include IU.  Current  Power 5 teams like Washington State, Oregon State, Wake Forest, Duke, Kansas, etc could be in serious  trouble.

 I think already being in the Big Ten insulates IU, PU, and NW.  If IU was currently in the Pac12 or Big12 instead?  Yeah, that would be time to worry.

A lot depends on the size of the breakaway.  If it's 32 teams, IU has no chance.  If it's 48, we are on the bubble.  If it's 55+, we have very little to worry about.

I halfheartedly floated this idea elsewhere on the topic, but if the “P2 Superconference” college football model breaks away from the NCAA and becomes the “official” minor league of pro football, how about IU and Purdue become minor league affiliates for the Colts? 

[DChoosier]

2 hours ago, Hovadipo said:

Stanford strokes the B1G academics ego while also adding huge value to a TV deal simply by being in the Bay Area market. I'd guess they're very much in play.

I’ve thought they were in play since the USC/UCLA move became public.  
Stanford  academics is icing on the cake but the BT would not care at all about Stanford academics if the campus happened to be located in a small tv market such as the middle of North Dakota. 

Is the Bay Area crazy about college sports? Nope, but the BT is still going to want to have a foothold in that large tv market and is not going to leave the Bay Area tv market wide open for the Big 12/Pac10. They have LA and will want the Bay Area. It’s all about tv eyeballs/$$$$$$$$$$.

[Rico]

2 hours ago, Magnanimous said:

I halfheartedly floated this idea elsewhere on the topic, but if the “P2 Superconference” college football model breaks away from the NCAA and becomes the “official” minor league of pro football, how about IU and Purdue become minor league affiliates for the Colts? 

As a Colts fan I would say Purdue and IU better start getting better players.

[Magnanimous]

18 minutes ago, DChoosier said:

I’ve thought they were in play since the USC/UCLA move became public.  
Stanford  academics is icing on the cake but the BT would not care at all about Stanford academics if the campus happened to be located in a small tv market such as the middle of North Dakota. 

Is the Bay Area crazy about college sports? Nope, but the BT is still going to want to have a foothold in that large tv market and is not going to leave the Bay Area tv market wide open for the Big 12/Pac10. They have LA and will want the Bay Area. It’s all about tv eyeballs/$$$$$$$$$$.

I think that ultimately USC and UCLA would like to have some competition closer to home as well.

[Rico]

23 minutes ago, DChoosier said:

I’ve thought they were in play since the USC/UCLA move became public.  
Stanford  academics is icing on the cake but the BT would not care at all about Stanford academics if the campus happened to be located in a small tv market such as the middle of North Dakota. 

Is the Bay Area crazy about college sports? Nope, but the BT is still going to want to have a foothold in that large tv market and is not going to leave the Bay Area tv market wide open for the Big 12/Pac10. They have LA and will want the Bay Area. It’s all about tv eyeballs/$$$$$$$$$$.

What's the water polo team gonna do?

[ElectricBoogaloo]

I like the additions because, let's be honest, the SEC will poach Ohio State and Michigan if the Big Ten doesn't keep up financially. Poach or be poached. 

[DChoosier]

1 hour ago, Magnanimous said:

I think that ultimately USC and UCLA would like to have some competition closer to home as well.

Yep, that’s also part of the reason I have assumed that Stanford is in play.  Same time zone/tv market size puts Stanford and Washington in play while Oregon has the same time zone/decent following/Nike cache working.

USC-UCLA/Stanford/Washington/Oregon would result in the BT taking over the West Coast from an “interest” and “tv eyeball” perspective.

[DChoosier]

1 hour ago, ElectricBoogaloo said:

I like the additions because, let's be honest, the SEC will poach Ohio State and Michigan if the Big Ten doesn't keep up financially. Poach or be poached. 

I wonder if 6-12 years from now OSU, UM, PSU question why they are giving IU, PU and NW an equal share of the conference money and if Bama, Georgia, Texas wonder why they are giving an equal share to Miss State, Vandy, UK.

A super conference, not currently on our radar, might evolve.

[rayl456]

1 hour ago, Rico said:

As a Colts fan I would say Purdue and IU better start getting better players.

Maybe that should include coaches, as well.  IU has a golden ticket to the big boy conference, which makes it a desirable location for coaches at schools on the outside who want to get in.  

[Rico]

14 minutes ago, rayl456 said:

Maybe that should include coaches, as well.  IU has a golden ticket to the big boy conference, which makes it a desirable location for coaches at schools on the outside who want to get in.  

Amen.

[Stuhoo]

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTRL77BPM/?k=1

[CSP]

1 hour ago, DChoosier said:

I wonder if 6-12 years from now OSU, UM, PSU question why they are giving IU, PU and NW an equal share of the conference money and if Bama, Georgia, Texas wonder why they are giving an equal share to Miss State, Vandy, UK.

A super conference, not currently on our radar, might evolve.

Those schools also need Ws. 

[ziggyiu]

1 hour ago, DChoosier said:

I wonder if 6-12 years from now OSU, UM, PSU question why they are giving IU, PU and NW an equal share of the conference money and if Bama, Georgia, Texas wonder why they are giving an equal share to Miss State, Vandy, UK.

A super conference, not currently on our radar, might evolve.

They are already are questioning this. The Buckeyes publicly stated recently that they considered going independent during the first football season of the pandemic. 

[Southside]

7 minutes ago, ziggyiu said:

They are already are questioning this. The Buckeyes publicly stated recently that they considered going independent during the first football season of the pandemic. 

Wouldn't really of worked out that year. ND even joined the ACC temporarily due to the pandemic. 

There's been talk about a super league for years though. TX and ND talked about forming their own super conference a decade or so ago. 

But as said above, all teams need Ws too. And the path to the playoffs matters.