Xavier Arrested...

[DougWil]

1 hour ago, btownqb said:

Only charge that stuck--- reckless driving. I don't think there was any sort of probation, that was fabricated by our tremendous fanbase. Switching seats in a car? I've had like 1000000 friends try that. Pulling into a parking lot is not evading the cops, which is why that ridiculous charge was dropped. 

Switching seats is stupid, it shouldn't be an indictment on his character though. 

Look, I have a lead foot. XJ needs to keep that under wraps, insurance is going to be astronomical. 

It seem like he was trying to avoid the cops in pulling into the parking lot and then running a stop sign. When the cops turn on their lights to pull you over, you pull over. 

BLOOMINGTON, Ind. (WISH) — Indiana University point guard Xavier Johnson has been arrested for reckless driving and resisting law enforcement, according to Monroe County Sheriff Brad Swain.

Just after 3 a.m. Sunday, a Monroe County sheriff’s deputy saw a Dodge Charger going 90 mph on North Walnut Street, a main thoroughfare through downtown Bloomington.

The deputy tried to pull the Charger over, but the driver refused to stop. The car drove into a parking lot at an apartment complex and ran a stop sign while trying to get away from the deputy.

The car eventually stopped and the deputy saw Johnson, 22, get out of the car and switch seats with a passenger, identified by police as Lee Marrioti.

https://www.wishtv.com/sports/college-basketball/iu-point-guard-xavier-johnson-arrested-for-reckless-driving-resisting-law-enforcement/

[CSP]

2 minutes ago, DougWil said:

It seem like he was trying to avoid the cops in pulling into the parking lot and then running a stop sign. When the cops turn on their lights to pull you over, you pull over. 

BLOOMINGTON, Ind. (WISH) — Indiana University point guard Xavier Johnson has been arrested for reckless driving and resisting law enforcement, according to Monroe County Sheriff Brad Swain.

Just after 3 a.m. Sunday, a Monroe County sheriff’s deputy saw a Dodge Charger going 90 mph on North Walnut Street, a main thoroughfare through downtown Bloomington.

The deputy tried to pull the Charger over, but the driver refused to stop. The car drove into a parking lot at an apartment complex and ran a stop sign while trying to get away from the deputy.

The car eventually stopped and the deputy saw Johnson, 22, get out of the car and switch seats with a passenger, identified by police as Lee Marrioti.

https://www.wishtv.com/sports/college-basketball/iu-point-guard-xavier-johnson-arrested-for-reckless-driving-resisting-law-enforcement/

That was alleged, yes, and then later dropped. You cannot be suspended for dropped charges. 

[Stuhoo]

2 minutes ago, DougWil said:

It seem like he was trying to avoid the cops in pulling into the parking lot and then running a stop sign. When the cops turn on their lights to pull you over, you pull over. 

BLOOMINGTON, Ind. (WISH) — Indiana University point guard Xavier Johnson has been arrested for reckless driving and resisting law enforcement, according to Monroe County Sheriff Brad Swain.

Just after 3 a.m. Sunday, a Monroe County sheriff’s deputy saw a Dodge Charger going 90 mph on North Walnut Street, a main thoroughfare through downtown Bloomington.

The deputy tried to pull the Charger over, but the driver refused to stop. The car drove into a parking lot at an apartment complex and ran a stop sign while trying to get away from the deputy.

The car eventually stopped and the deputy saw Johnson, 22, get out of the car and switch seats with a passenger, identified by police as Lee Marrioti.

https://www.wishtv.com/sports/college-basketball/iu-point-guard-xavier-johnson-arrested-for-reckless-driving-resisting-law-enforcement/

Facts out of context are funny things:

1. While North Walnut is a main thoroughfare that runs through downtown Bloomington, the part of North Walnut where he was speeding was not in downtown Bloomington.
2. The car ran a stop sign on private property at a low rate of speed. It then pulled over, and per the police report X was cooperative and breathalyzer was clean. 
3. Trying to switch seats with Mariotti was a stupid, panicky move. That was what got him the resisting charge - it's not like he scuffled with the cops in any way.

[go iu bb]

15 minutes ago, btownqb said:

That was alleged, yes, and then later dropped. You cannot be suspended for dropped charges. 

Suspensions aren't part of the legal process so if they coach wanted to suspend him for something that happened but the charge was dropped due to his plea deal (as it was in this case), that would be perfectly within the coach's right. The coach could even suspend for something that happened in which there are no charges brought at all. That said, I don't personally think an off-season screw up of what basically boils down to speeding is worth a suspension 7 months later. But if Coach decides to suspend him, I would understand that, too.

[DougWil]

3 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

Facts out of context are funny things:

1. While North Walnut is a main thoroughfare that runs through downtown Bloomington, the part of North Walnut where he was speeding was not in downtown Bloomington.
2. The car ran a stop sign on private property at a low rate of speed. It then pulled over, and per the police report X was cooperative and breathalyzer was clean. 
3. Trying to switch seats with Mariotti was a stupid, panicky move. That was what got him the resisting charge - it's not like he scuffled with the cops in any way.

I think the writer of the story probably described North Walnut as a street running through downtown Bloomington to give some context to readers who might not know that, but in this case it was misleading. Does that matter much in understanding what happened? Are you saying he pulled over promptly when the police tried to pull him over or not? It seems the police were saying that he did not. I'm not one to blindly accept what police say as fact. Did Johnson or others on his behalf refute the idea that he attempted to evade police? 

[Stuhoo]

1 minute ago, DougWil said:

I think the writer of the story probably described North Walnut as a street running through downtown Bloomington to give some context to readers who might not know that, but in this case it was misleading. Does that matter much in understanding what happened? Are you saying he pulled over promptly when the police tried to pull him over or not? It seems the police were saying that he did not. I'm not one to blindly accept what police say as fact. Did Johnson or others on his behalf refute the idea that he attempted to evade police? 

Agreed, and I don't think anyone besides the occupants of the car and the officer truly know if:

• He was lit up and deliberately took measures to evade the traffic stop, or
• He was lit up and didn't pull over immediately but pulled into the next logical turnoff and parked after rolling through a private property stop sign.

[Dave from Dayton]

4 minutes ago, btownqb said:

That was alleged, yes, and then later dropped. You cannot be suspended for dropped charges. 

I do not know the policy that is referred to in the above post.  

I speculate that the coach may and can suspend a player for any infraction of a team or specific rule or edict.  Whether or not charges were dropped may or may not be a factor.

What may have happened is that the charges were dropped because of the plea deal.  Or it may have happened because the prosecutor decided to not go to trial with it for whatever reason.  One reason may be insufficient or questionable inputs. 

The coach would have found out.  Let's see...if coach knows that XJ tried to avoid the cops and ignored the police...and tried to coverup his driving the vehicle and jeopardizes the health, safety etc of others...and jeopardizes his own college experience and not to mention jeopardizes wins and the team play etc.  

Gee...no biggie.  /s

Scrubbing the floor with a toothbrush seems like it would teach XJ to evade the cops and lie and the heck with others' safety and welfare.

And other team members would learn it is ok.  And families of future prospects would learn that anything goes at IU.  

It's only sports.

 

[CSP]

10 minutes ago, go iu bb said:

Suspensions aren't part of the legal process so if they coach wanted to suspend him for something that happened but the charge was dropped due to his plea deal (as it was in this case), that would be perfectly within the coach's right. That said, I don't personally think an off-season screw up of what basically boils down to speeding is worth a suspension 7 months later. But if Coach decides to suspend him, I would understand that, too.

I get that. But, he isn't going to "trump the law". CMW is going to care that XJ put himself into that sort of position at all. That's what he is going to be punished for. 

CMW isn't saying "you are being punished because you had a charge of evading the cops".... No, CMW is going to say I'm running you until you get tired because you embarrassed/disappointed our program, your family, and most of all, yourself. 

That was my point with that statement. I didn't know state what I actually wanted to say there, my apologies.  

[CSP]

2 minutes ago, Dave from Dayton said:

I do not know the policy that is referred to in the above post.  

I speculate that the coach may and can suspend a player for any infraction of a team or specific rule or edict.  Whether or not charges were dropped may or may not be a factor.

What may have happened is that the charges were dropped because of the plea deal.  Or it may have happened because the prosecutor decided to not go to trial with it for whatever reason.  One reason may be insufficient or questionable inputs. 

The coach would have found out.  Let's see...if coach knows that XJ tried to avoid the cops and ignored the police...and tried to coverup his driving the vehicle and jeopardizes the health, safety etc of others...and jeopardizes his own college experience and not to mention jeopardizes wins and the team play etc.  

Gee...no biggie.  /s

Scrubbing the floor with a toothbrush seems like it would teach XJ to evade the cops and lie and the heck with others' safety and welfare.

And other team members would learn it is ok.  And families of future prospects would learn that anything goes at IU.  

It's only sports.

 

What policy? 

The bold makes no sense, whatsoever. 

[Dave from Dayton]

6 minutes ago, btownqb said:

What policy? 

The bold makes no sense, whatsoever. 

"You cannot be suspended for dropped charges."  Quoted from the post.  If that is not a policy then the coach may suspend for dropped charges.  That was my point.  Your statement is not correct if it isn't a policy.

The bold makes sense.  As much as scrubbing the floor with a toothbrush does. 

 

[DougWil]

12 minutes ago, Dave from Dayton said:

I do not know the policy that is referred to in the above post.  

I speculate that the coach may and can suspend a player for any infraction of a team or specific rule or edict.  Whether or not charges were dropped may or may not be a factor.

What may have happened is that the charges were dropped because of the plea deal.  Or it may have happened because the prosecutor decided to not go to trial with it for whatever reason.  One reason may be insufficient or questionable inputs. 

The coach would have found out.  Let's see...if coach knows that XJ tried to avoid the cops and ignored the police...and tried to coverup his driving the vehicle and jeopardizes the health, safety etc of others...and jeopardizes his own college experience and not to mention jeopardizes wins and the team play etc.  

Gee...no biggie.  /s

Scrubbing the floor with a toothbrush seems like it would teach XJ to evade the cops and lie and the heck with others' safety and welfare.

And other team members would learn it is ok.  And families of future prospects would learn that anything goes at IU.  

It's only sports.

 

You are right that the count of resisting law enforcement using a vehicle was dropped as part of the plea agreement. That's the definition of a plea agreement, of course, which doesn't mean the charge was untrue -- an agreement between the prosecution and defense, sometimes including the judge, in which the accused agrees to plead guilty to a lesser charge in return for more serious charges being dropped. 

You can see that the charge was dropped as part of the plea agreement at Indiana MyCase. https://public.courts.in.gov/mycase/#/vw/CaseSummary/eyJ2Ijp7IkNhc2VUb2tlbiI6InpOcFRyQ3dINEVTdndYWmlVMkZTQVNybERnUFkxenFnUktrdVlzMm9wZWsxIn19

Charges

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	01	04/03/2022	35-44.1-3-1(a)(3)/F6: Resisting Law Enforcement-Same as 3929, but def. uses a vehicle.
	02	04/03/2022	9-21-8-52(a)(1)/MC: Reckless Driving Drive at unreasonable high or low speed so to endanger safety

 

Plea Agreement

08/23/2022

Order Issued State appears by Chris Pierce. Defendant appears in person and by counsel, Joseph Lozano. Defendant pleads guilty to Count II: Reckless Driving as a Class C Misdemeanor. Count I is dismissed. Defendant is sentenced to 60 days all but time served suspended. Defendant has 1 actual day and good time credit. Defendant is subject to a term of Unsupervised probation for 360 days. Defendant is to complete 50 hours of community service and be evaluated for and complete any treatment recommendations. Defendant to pay court costs of $185.50. Court directs the Clerk to release the cash bond to costs and fees and probation fees. Any remaining cash bond to be returned to the defendant. CR 311-c05/mtb

[CSP]

15 minutes ago, Dave from Dayton said:

"You cannot be suspended for dropped charges."  Quoted from the post.  If that is not a policy then the coach may suspend for dropped charges.  That was my point.  Your statement is not correct if it isn't a policy.

The bold makes sense.  As much as scrubbing the floor with a toothbrush does. 

 

So suspending him does make sense? 8 months after it happened? Not even close. 

I explained "you cannot be suspended for dropped charges" in another post. No, it's not policy, it's just not going to happen. 

[WayneFleekHoosier]

Geez.

 

UNC had a player, what, wreck a boosters car (or get pulled over) and dumped illegal firearms that got less attention than this.  
 

I don’t remember the details, and this incident isn’t ideal but it’s really overblown. The legal actions have taken place and the player probably has had several stern messages sent from the program. 
 

 

[HoosierHoopster]

48 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

Geez.

 

UNC had a player, what, wreck a boosters car (or get pulled over) and dumped illegal firearms that got less attention than this.  
 

I don’t remember the details, and this incident isn’t ideal but it’s really overblown. The legal actions have taken place and the player probably has had several stern messages sent from the program. 
 

 

Thank you. The stone casting get comical at times.

[Brass Cannon]

1 hour ago, btownqb said:

So suspending him does make sense? 8 months after it happened? Not even close. 

I explained "you cannot be suspended for dropped charges" in another post. No, it's not policy, it's just not going to happen. 

He got suspended for sneaking out of a hotel room.  There are no rules to a suspension. 
 

[CSP]

1 minute ago, Brass Cannon said:

He got suspended for sneaking out of a hotel room.  There are no rules to a suspension. 
 

I agree. 

[Brass Cannon]

1 hour ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

Geez.

 

UNC had a player, what, wreck a boosters car (or get pulled over) and dumped illegal firearms that got less attention than this.  
 

I don’t remember the details, and this incident isn’t ideal but it’s really overblown. The legal actions have taken place and the player probably has had several stern messages sent from the program. 
 

 

First off sorry for the multi post it wouldn’t let me put two quotes in one post

 

The fact that we sat so many guys in a winnable game last year shows us that woody is going to run a tighter ship than UNC

 

I honestly don’t care.  But I am a firm believer that strike 2 can’t have a more lenient punishment than strike 1. It sends a terrible message and leads to a break down in discipline. If I wrote up an employee for being late after 1 occurrence but then gave them a talking too after their second they would think I was an inconsistent and wouldn’t know what the rules actually are 

[Brass Cannon]

2 minutes ago, btownqb said:

I agree. 

If you suspend kids for sneaking out of a hotel room but not for pleading guilty for a crime they are going to be rightfully confused as to what if any rules the program has and to wonder why they seem to be changing 

[vemmeistars]

4 minutes ago, Brass Cannon said:

If you suspend kids for sneaking out of a hotel room but not for pleading guilty for a crime they are going to be rightfully confused as to what if any rules the program has and to wonder why they seem to be changing 

I do think the distinction between an in season event and out of season event are relevant to the nature of the punishment.

[CSP]

4 minutes ago, Brass Cannon said:

If you suspend kids for sneaking out of a hotel room but not for pleading guilty for a crime they are going to be rightfully confused as to what if any rules the program has and to wonder why they seem to be changing 

I highly doubt the individuals on our team are confused about what and what aren't the expectations to be a basketball player at Indiana Univ.