Goodman on the Hoosier Hysterics Podcast

[HoosierAloha 30,100]

14 hours ago, HoosierHoops1 said:

I guess a gas station etc, can hire anyone they want.

You brought up fandom, not me and I'm not the one bitching.

It's not completely legal to "get players money". There are rules that are supposed to be followed, it'll just be harder to see if someone got a Lambo from their NIL or by unscrupulous means.

I'm the one bitching and moaning because we use this "holier than thou" attitude to cope with all the losing while it's not exactly accurate. My fandom is fine with players getting money, especially now that it's legal.

There were rules that were supposed to be followed under Arch, Crean, Sampson, Davis, and Knight too. They ranged from downright ignoring them to skirting the rules. We need to get better at getting players money in the landscape where it is legal. We could keep dreaming about and watching old YouTube videos of four and five decades ago and how "clean" our program was.

[HoosierAloha 30,100]

16 minutes ago, Josh said:

 

I lived across the street from that Buffalouies and worked there around 1998.  Buffalouie was a great man, but I heard he died years ago.  Who runs it now?

Wait, when did he die?!

[Josh 13,069]

8 minutes ago, HoosierAloha said:

Wait, when did he die?!

I heard word years ago.  That makes sense to me, he was old about 25 years ago.  He'd have to be in his 90's now

[JSHoosier 21,968]

Under Knight we played the game like other programs, maybe not as filthy as some but definitely not clean.  Spoiler, the players weren't choir boys either.

The NCAA is a cess pool, no program that's winning is completely clean.  Since the people that should be enforcing the rules obviously don't care, those "rules" aren't worth jack.  Wanting to say we're "clean" is nothing more than self righteous virtue signaling and frankly self sabotage.

 

[HoosierHoopster 7,751]

So long as we play within the rules, including in the grey with a functioning compliance dept, I’m good with it — we are supposed to be able to recruit in the same “pool” as everyone else.

The problem has been with our compliance dept. It started with Myles Brand’s approach to compliance. I don’t know how it’s run now, cant really speak to that, but it has been a real limitation. Where other programs’ compliance helps them navigate rules to recruit, ours has looked for violations. Brand was a “traditionalist” — the right way fir him was hard adherence to the rules with academics placed first. It’s been a real disconnect— compliance is supposed to work with, not against, athletics. The Brand legacy is that it has worked against athletics and particularly the men’s bball program. To compete at the top consistently the program needs compliance to help, not hinder it in recruiting within the rules and grey

[Josh 13,069]

32 minutes ago, HoosierAloha said:

Wait, when did he die?!

Looks like Buffalouies changed hands in 2006.  That makes sense to me now.  Louie is long gone, but he was a great man.

Anyway, back to money = results

[JSHoosier 21,968]

We've fallen from being one of the top programs in the country to "we stink, but darn it we stink the right way"

[Hoosierfan2017 24,118]

almost every fanbase claims that they’re clean anyway. We just do it while also sucking. Go to Rupp Rafters and they’re acting holier than thou. They act like Calipari is clean and moan about how dirty teams like Kansas and Duke are. Everyone is the hero in their own story. These things are done in the shadows. Nothing would stop fans from riding their high horse while still bending the rules. 

[JSHoosier 21,968]

3 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

almost every fanbase claims that they’re clean anyway. We just do it while also sucking. Go to Rupp Rafters and they’re acting holier than thou. They act like Calipari is clean and moan about how dirty teams like Kansas and Duke are. Everyone is the hero in their own story. These things are done in the shadows. Nothing would stop fans from riding their high horse while still bending the rules. 

True too.  And pUKe has a lengthy history of being completely filthy.

[Hovadipo 60,446]

27 minutes ago, Josh said:

Looks like Buffalouies changed hands in 2006.  That makes sense to me now.  Louie is long gone, but he was a great man.

Anyway, back to money = results

Back off track real quick - as if there’s a track to this thread to begin with - the guy that runs it now, Ed (can’t remember his last name), is a huuuuge IU Athletics supporter and a really good guy also. And makes some pretty great wings!

[MikeRoberts 7,768]

Is Woody out fundraising for NIL, for his guys? There are IU alumna, likely in his age bracket that are running massive corporations within Bloomington, Indianapolis etc that are the keys to his recruiting. Fans matter

i work in ad sales and there are giant pools of money for various initiatives, influencer budgets, social budgets etc. It wouldn’t take much at all to impact Woodys and our teams success.

imagine a world in which woody, already doing “ok” in recruiting can now showcase a pipeline of support from businesses that are truly committed to the players and programs. It’s not a promise, it’s a history now that potential recruits can see playing out for them too.

we pay some of our influencers up to $30k for a  tweet or IG Story - everyone establishes their own market value and there is nothing to stop Cook or others from pouring it on. They just aren’t and I cannot figure out why

[TheWatShot 15,177]

26 minutes ago, MikeRoberts said:

we pay some of our influencers up to $30k for a  tweet or IG Story - everyone establishes their own market value and there is nothing to stop Cook or others from pouring it on. They just aren’t and I cannot figure out why

The state of Indiana is perpetually operating about 20-30 years behind the rest of the world. This won't be any different. 

[Josh 13,069]

1 hour ago, Hovadipo said:

Back off track real quick - as if there’s a track to this thread to begin with - the guy that runs it now, Ed (can’t remember his last name), is a huuuuge IU Athletics supporter and a really good guy also. And makes some pretty great wings!

I thought the track was:  start cheating, start winning.  Am I off?

[MikeRoberts 7,768]

23 minutes ago, TheWatShot said:

The state of Indiana is perpetually operating about 20-30 years behind the rest of the world. This won't be any different. 

I can think of a ton of ways IU could help matters and it wouldn’t take much.

one idea that just came to me in the shower is a “team owned” affiliate platform. An IT, Web Developer or Marketing major sets up an affiliate platform with proper coding and affiliate link tracking and the players can pick up products and deals from brands all over the country to promote and get payed as they go/as they convert people. These affiliate platforms can makes tens of millions of dollars a year. They have to push out ads, articles, emails etc to drive traffic - our players already have that via their social handles

wouldnt take much and could drives hundreds of thousands of dollars per player per year

[MikeRoberts 7,768]

3 minutes ago, Josh said:

I thought the track was:  start cheating, start winning.  Am I off?

There really is no cheating now. Almost everything is on the table now - it’s the wild Wild West and we keep getting thrown through the storefront window

[JSHoosier 21,968]

7 minutes ago, Josh said:

I thought the track was:  start cheating, start winning.  Am I off?

Hard to call something "cheating" when the ones responsible for enforcement turn a blind eye.

[WayneFleekHoosier 50,304]

I thought the track was:  start cheating, start winning.  Am I off?

“Start cheating”? I think we’ve established even the sacred halls of Assembly have endured cheating for years. I think it’s better stated, Be creative, Start winning. If we aren’t just blowing smoke about our intentions of a program (Glass’ old quote about winning championships) we need to get the players our staff wants and hope they are good at 1. Identifying them 2. Progressing them and 3. Getting them to play together with the ultimate goal of winning basketball games.

It’s not easy. But I know firsthand, you’ve got to have the talent first. This years team had enough talent to be better. We should be a tournament team. IMO staff under performed this years teams capabilities. But we need a huge talent upgrade to be national title contenders. But the beautiful thing about college basketball is you only need 1-2 or 3 stars and then a team. Gotta get a few unicorns over time.


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[str8baller 6,843]

3 hours ago, JSHoosier said:

Under Knight we played the game like other programs, maybe not as filthy as some but definitely not clean

You have any evidence to back that up? That’s quite the claim considering people inside and outside the program claimed the opposite for the longest time. 

[JSHoosier 21,968]

37 minutes ago, str8baller said:

You have any evidence to back that up? That’s quite the claim considering people inside and outside the program claimed the opposite for the longest time. 

You don't actually think they'd admit it do you?  My goodness even Kentucky would claim they're clean.

[str8baller 6,843]

1 hour ago, JSHoosier said:

You don't actually think they'd admit it do you?  My goodness even Kentucky would claim they're clean.

But there’s plenty of evidence UK cheated. And nobody outside of UK believes they’re clean.  
 

That’s not true of Knight. Unless you know something nobody else does.