IUBB vs #13/12 Ohio State - 01/06/22 @ 7:00 on FS1

[HoosierAloha 30,068]

Was that your post, because it reads like the transcript of an Archie Miller assessment of him.  
;)

I guess all that confusion from Phin was from where he hit his head. I understand what Archie was dealing with now. ;-)



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[Hoosierfan2017 21,324]

24 minutes ago, HoosierAloha said:

Something just seems off with that.

He’s not a complainer but not an alpha and thought it was his fault? Where are these things coming from?

His defense has always been there, confidence nor injury took that away.

It appears he’s playing better recently and then there’s talk he’s getting healthy and his confidence back after being ruined by the previous staff.

His “better” performance recently has resulted in 33% from the field and from deep.

Now he’s getting the dog brought out of him? What is the evidence in that? The defense? Shooting more? Wishful thinking? Projecting until he gets there?


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It’s just an excuse for his poor offensive play over 3+ years. I want to know what awful things people think Archie did to Rob to kill his confidence. He started him from day 1 and played him 25+ mpg for three years. People loved to blame Rob walking the ball up the court on Archie but game after game you could see Archie screaming at Rob to go faster. 

This new unlocked, confident Rob Phinisee is shooting 30.7% from 3 and 30.1% from the field on the season after today’s game. He’s shooting worse from the field than he ever did under Archie. He had a good shooting game today but Minnesota just completely left him open by design. The default seems to be ‘blame Archie’ to explain away most problems. 

[cthomas 6,416]

If there was a better option, I'm sure CMW would utilize it. I frankly don't understand the second guessing of a coaching staff who sees these players every day. Unless of course you believe you can coach the team better than them. If that's the case, I'd be more than happy to let you have a crack at it. As far as Phinisee is concerned, I accept his limitations and love the effort and defense he brings. Anything else is gravy.

[Hoosierfanyuh 2,193]

7 minutes ago, cthomas said:

If there was a better option, I'm sure CMW would utilize it. I frankly don't understand the second guessing of a coaching staff who sees these players every day. Unless of course you believe you can coach the team better than them. If that's the case, I'd be more than happy to let you have a crack at it. As far as Phinisee is concerned, I accept his limitations and love the effort and defense he brings. Anything else is gravy.

Great content. People

are so negative here. 

[HoosierAloha 30,068]

6 minutes ago, cthomas said:

If there was a better option, I'm sure CMW would utilize it. I frankly don't understand the second guessing of a coaching staff who sees these players every day. Unless of course you believe you can coach the team better than them. If that's the case, I'd be more than happy to let you have a crack at it. As far as Phinisee is concerned, I accept his limitations and love the effort and defense he brings. Anything else is gravy.

I definitely see a role for Phin on this team. He can disrupt an opposing guard who gets going against some of our less capable guard/wing defenders. If he keeps the ball moving, entering it into the post, and picking his spot he can help with the success of this team.

What I don't understand is the campaign that Phin has been hurt and has somehow been resurrected to find his inner dog. His defense has always been there. Wouldn't that have taken a hit with his injury? He's not shooting a lot better percentage after his "injury" or having his ego massaged by this staff. Where is that coming from and what is the point of it?

[Uspshoosier 45,608]

1 hour ago, HoosierAloha said:

Something just seems off with that.

He’s not a complainer but not an alpha and thought it was his fault? Where are these things coming from?

His defense has always been there, confidence nor injury took that away.

It appears he’s playing better recently and then there’s talk he’s getting healthy and his confidence back after being ruined by the previous staff.

His “better” performance recently has resulted in 33% from the field and from deep.

Now he’s getting the dog brought out of him? What is the evidence in that? The defense? Shooting more? Wishful thinking? Projecting until he gets there?


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Probably from every press conference early on Woody talking about having to repair the confidence of last years team.  A lot heads down  when he got there according to him 
 

Player interviews early in the season talking about the funk they were in last year and how fun they seem to be having playing basketball again.     

[Hoosierfan2017 21,324]

26 minutes ago, cthomas said:

If there was a better option, I'm sure CMW would utilize it. I frankly don't understand the second guessing of a coaching staff who sees these players every day. Unless of course you believe you can coach the team better than them. If that's the case, I'd be more than happy to let you have a crack at it. As far as Phinisee is concerned, I accept his limitations and love the effort and defense he brings. Anything else is gravy.

Second guessing coaching decisions is what people do on message boards. This new phenomenon of “you think you know more than the coach?!” whenever someone questions the coaching staff is bizarre and completely stifles conversation. Coaches do questionable things all the time. Just watch the Colts.

Woody played 5 bench guys at the same time today. It didn’t hurt us today, but it has in past games. But, I’m sure we can’t question it, because we don’t see the players every day.

[TheWatShot 13,934]

9 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

Woody played 5 bench guys at the same time today. It didn’t hurt us today, but it has in past games. But, I’m sure we can’t question it, because we don’t see the players every day.

I didn't get to see the game today. Was it between the first and second media timeouts in the first half? He seriously needs to quit doing this. I could totally see someone like Purdue going on a 14-2 run when this happens. 

[HoosierAloha 30,068]

18 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

Probably from every press conference early on Woody talking about having to repair the confidence of last years team.  A lot heads down  when he got there according to him 
 

Player interviews early in the season talking about the funk they were in last year and how fun they seem to be having playing basketball again.     

Wasn't there a similar campaign after Smith left with everyone talking about how united the team had become in the off-season and how much fun they were having again?

[Uspshoosier 45,608]

1 minute ago, HoosierAloha said:

Wasn't there a similar campaign after Smith left with everyone talking about how united the team had become in the off-season and how much fun they were having again?

Could be I’m not sure.   I know smith talked about being recharged after he left IU.    

[Hoosierfan2017 21,324]

6 minutes ago, TheWatShot said:

I didn't get to see the game today. Was it between the first and second media timeouts in the first half? He seriously needs to quit doing this. I could totally see someone like Purdue going on a 14-2 run when this happens. 

I honestly dont pay attention/know when the media timeouts are scheduled but yes i think so. Started around like the 12 minute mark. They ended up playing together longer than expected because there wasn’t a whistle until around the 6 minute mark. I don’t know why he does it. I haven’t seen any other team we’ve played this year do it against us, so it just puts us at an unnecessary disadvantage. It’s not like we’ve got bench talent for the John Calipari platoon swap. 

[LIHoosier 26,148]

7 hours ago, TheWatShot said:

I didn't get to see the game today. Was it between the first and second media timeouts in the first half? He seriously needs to quit doing this. I could totally see someone like Purdue going on a 14-2 run when this happens. 

It was between the under 12 and under 8 in the first half. The under 12 was around 10:30 so it seemed like it would be a quick segment. Parker was the only starter to begin with but picked up his 2nd foul right away and it became a complete 5 on 5 off. The under 8 didn't come till around 5:30. 

[Josh 12,621]

7 hours ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

I honestly dont pay attention/know when the media timeouts are scheduled

They are scheduled in 4 minute intervals.  20 minute half, so at 16, 12, 8, 4.  Once the clock goes under these numbers there will be a media time out at the next dead ball.

[IUFAN1976 3,077]

11 hours ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

I honestly dont pay attention/know when the media timeouts are scheduled but yes i think so. Started around like the 12 minute mark. They ended up playing together longer than expected because there wasn’t a whistle until around the 6 minute mark. I don’t know why he does it. I haven’t seen any other team we’ve played this year do it against us, so it just puts us at an unnecessary disadvantage. It’s not like we’ve got bench talent for the John Calipari platoon swap. 

I think our bench is better than most teams.  We may not agree with the entire 5 subs playing at the same time but I like us being able to go that deep, maybe he needs to bring them in a couple at a time. I do think either Race or Trayce should be on the floor all the time, not sitting at the same time.  I do think our bench is getting better too!

[Stuhoo 80,506]

11 minutes ago, IUFAN1976 said:

I think our bench is better than most teams.  We may not agree with the entire 5 subs playing at the same time but I like us being able to go that deep, maybe he needs to bring them in a couple at a time. I do think either Race or Trayce should be on the floor all the time, not sitting at the same time.  I do think our bench is getting better too!

For sure - this - our bench is better than most any team. OR (with a glass half empty view) unlike most teams we don't know who our best five players are on any given night. Only two of our starting five are guaranteed to be on the court during crunch time.

For all of the talk about which players are our best and should be starting, Woody is more concerned with us finishing each game with our best five players.

So, the question then stands -- are we ever without one or two of our finishing players on the court? With Phin and Trey now most likely to be among the final five, it seems that we are not.

[HoosierAloha 30,068]

10 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

For sure - this - our bench is better than most any team. OR (with a glass half empty view) unlike most teams we don't know who our best five players are on any given night. Only two of our starting five are guaranteed to be on the court during crunch time.

For all of the talk about which players are our best and should be starting, Woody is more concerned with us finishing each game with our best five players.

So, the question then stands -- are we ever without one or two of our finishing players on the court? With Phin and Trey now most likely to be among the final five, it seems that we are not.

Let's also find a few players that can make both freebies in crunch time. We had a horrible 1 of 2 streak against Minny and missed some late against PSU that could have changed the outcome of that game. If we don't get that straightened out it might cost us another. I don't really trust any of the closing 5 to go to the line to hit 2 in crunch time.

[IUFAN1976 3,077]

55 minutes ago, HoosierAloha said:

Let's also find a few players that can make both freebies in crunch time. We had a horrible 1 of 2 streak against Minny and missed some late against PSU that could have changed the outcome of that game. If we don't get that straightened out it might cost us another. I don't really trust any of the closing 5 to go to the line to hit 2 in crunch time.

That’s the issue with this team, especially at crunch time.  He wants to play his 5 best defensive players down the stretch but, like you said, those aren’t our 5 best free throw shooters.  I think Race has been better of late and I think Galloway will be OK, but the other 3 are prone to hitting 1 of 2 or 0 of 2.