College Conference/Football Expansion

[Naturalhoosier]

Just now, CrossboneIU22 said:

I would doubt it, I would think Football would be driving all of this (more money) and basketball is along for the ride.

My thought as well. 

[Hoosierfan1901]

 

[Brass Cannon]

Called it 

[Brass Cannon]

If we go to a 16 team league it would make basketball scheduling so much easier.  

[Alford Bailey]

2 hours ago, NashvilleHoosier said:

If it ends up with 2 super conferences there is no way the ACC survives over the Big Ten. The Big Ten generates more revenue than any conference. 

The trend is south though. There will be enough $$ thrown at OSU and ND as well to make a move.

[Alford Bailey]

Big Ten would be smart to pull Ok St from a football perspective as well.

[Alford Bailey]

2 hours ago, Lebowski said:

In my opinion, NIL is playing a factor here.  If everything stays status quo I foresee major conference break ups in all sports.  Something like The "we pretty much know one of these teams is going to win it all and you can make a lot of money" playing in this conference.

Like a 12 Team Football Conference might look something like this.
Alabama
Notre Dame
USC
OSU
Michigan
Oklahoma
Clemson
LSU
Texas
Tennessee
Nebraska
Miami (FL)


And a Basketball Conference might look something like this
UCLA
Kentucky
UNC
Duke
Indiana
Kansas

Called Blue Blood Conference or something.  And NIL will be the driving force to it all.  

BIG changes coming to college athletics in the next couple years

[Brass Cannon]

15 minutes ago, Alford Bailey said:

Big Ten would be smart to pull Ok St from a football perspective as well.

Them or West Virginia.  Whichever has the bigger draw.  

[Brass Cannon]

So sounds like Texas A & M is unhappy with the courting of Texas if we could snag them it would be huge.  Would get us into the Houston media market 

[Gahoosierfan]

18 hours ago, Alford Bailey said:

The trend is south though. There will be enough $$ thrown at OSU and ND as well to make a move.

I just read an ESPN article that ND is legally obligated by their ACC deal to not join any other conference through 2036. 

 

[Gahoosierfan]

The SEC has for decades had a gentlemen's agreement that any school can veto any addition of another instate school. So TAMU could keep UT out. 

[HoosierAloha]

The SEC has for decades had a gentlemen's agreement that any school can veto any addition of another instate school. So TAMU could keep UT out. 

I highly doubt some old gentlemen’s agreement is going to keep the $EC from adding two teams that will generate them more money.


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[Hoosierfan222]

23 minutes ago, Gahoosierfan said:

The SEC has for decades had a gentlemen's agreement that any school can veto any addition of another instate school. So TAMU could keep UT out. 

The SEC doesn’t care 

[Naturalhoosier]

56 minutes ago, Gahoosierfan said:

I just read an ESPN article that ND is legally obligated by their ACC deal to not join any other conference through 2036. 

 

Nothing a little extra money couldn’t solve. 

[HoosierAloha]

This whole realignment is all about money. Agreements and legal obligations are just speed bumps. It might slow the process a little but it won’t stop it.


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[Magnanimous]

Throwing this out there just for folks to chew on…purely for anonymous online message board purposes - should IU try to go to the SEC (if they would even take us…)?

If the SEC is ultimately working towards some super NFL-lite league that only consists of SEC schools and invited brand names, I feel like we could be on the outside looking in if OSU, Michigan and maybe Penn State break away from the Big Ten for us to be stuck in some tier 2 football conference that no network is going to pay big money for. In such a scenario, we may be fighting with Purdue for any Indiana breadcrumb this new super conference may offer (taking Notre Dame out of the equation). 

Schools like Kansas State and Iowa State may find themselves waking up very quickly to not having the gravy train they received from the football powers in their conference. We’re spared from that right now because the B1G is still very stable, but if OSU wakes up one day and says “why should Rutgers and Indiana be getting shares of my TV revenue?” then we could get pinched pretty quickly. 

I’m not sure what contracts or “gentlemen agreements” are currently in place between the B1G schools about such a thing, but I also know that contractual obligations to a dying status quo means zilch these days with realignment. I’ll say this as well, I have no faith that Kevin Warren can keep the B1G in tact if the new super SEC comes knocking on OSU’s door.

 

[Banksyrules]

4 minutes ago, Magnanimous said:

Throwing this out there just for folks to chew on…purely for anonymous online message board purposes - should IU try to go to the SEC (if they would even take us…)?

If the SEC is ultimately working towards some super NFL-lite league that only consists of SEC schools and invited brand names, I feel like we could be on the outside looking in if OSU, Michigan and maybe Penn State break away from the Big Ten for us to be stuck in some tier 2 football conference that no network is going to pay big money for. In such a scenario, we may be fighting with Purdue for any Indiana breadcrumb this new super conference may offer (taking Notre Dame out of the equation). 

Schools like Kansas State and Iowa State may find themselves waking up very quickly to not having the gravy train they received from the football powers in their conference. We’re spared from that right now because the B1G is still very stable, but if OSU wakes up one day and says “why should Rutgers and Indiana be getting shares of my TV revenue?” then we could get pinched pretty quickly. 

I’m not sure what contracts or “gentlemen agreements” are currently in place between the B1G schools about such a thing, but I also know that contractual obligations to a status quo means zilch these days with realignment. I’ll say this as well, I have no faith that Kevin Warren can keep the B1G in tact if the new super SEC comes knocking on OSU’s door.

 

They will not break away from the Big Ten. The money is too good here as well.  As far as money is concerned the SEC and Big Ten are on equal footing because we have more high end donors and also huuuuuuuge alumni basis.  They have to share less of the pie. 

[DChoosier]

1 hour ago, Magnanimous said:

Throwing this out there just for folks to chew on…purely for anonymous online message board purposes - should IU try to go to the SEC (if they would even take us…)?

If the SEC is ultimately working towards some super NFL-lite league that only consists of SEC schools and invited brand names, I feel like we could be on the outside looking in if OSU, Michigan and maybe Penn State break away from the Big Ten for us to be stuck in some tier 2 football conference that no network is going to pay big money for. 

Money probably means more than anything to these guys but if I’m the Michigan AD I would be worried about UM being beaten like a drum in the SEC. In a conference that large they could be looking at years of being the 6th, 7th, 8th, 9th best team.

[Hoosierfan2017]

1 minute ago, DChoosier said:

Money probably means more than anything to these guys but if I’m the Michigan AD I would be worried about UM being beaten like a drum in the SEC. In a conference that large they could be looking at years of being the 6th, 7th, 8th, 9th best team.

Yeah I was going to say something similar. Unless the SEC would bring them a lot more money than they would get by staying in the B1G, why would schools like Michigan or Penn State want to leave the conference? They're in the upper echelon of the B1G. They go the SEC and they're probably behind schools like Alabama, Auburn, Georgia, LSU, Florida, and now Oklahoma and Texas. Why would they want to do that? In the B1G they can compete, at worst, for second place every year with the occasional 1st place, and they're one of the premiere programs in the conference. In the SEC they'd be nothing special. 

[DChoosier]

12 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

Yeah I was going to say something similar. Unless the SEC would bring them a lot more money than they would get by staying in the B1G, why would schools like Michigan or Penn State want to leave the conference? They're in the upper echelon of the B1G. They go the SEC and they're probably behind schools like Alabama, Auburn, Georgia, LSU, Florida, and now Oklahoma and Texas. Why would they want to do that? In the B1G they can compete, at worst, for second place every year with the occasional 1st place, and they're one of the premiere programs in the conference. In the SEC they'd be nothing special. 

In addition I read an article that made a few good points. With the top 2 or more teams from the power conferences virtually being guaranteed a spot in the expanded playoffs why in the world would Alabama, Georgia, Florida, LSU, Texas AM want Oklahoma and Texas competing for a spot and/or possibly hurting their playoff chances if they lose to them?

And with the expanded playoff a Big 12  Oklahoma is almost guaranteed to get in the playoff every single year and Texas’s chances of making the expanded playoff are better in the Big 12.

I know………it’s all about the $$$$$ and there is seemingly never enough $$$$$$ in “amateur” (LOL) sports.