Ooooook who’s your # 2?

[Trish]

3 hours ago, Josh said:

For those of you saying that you'll give up on IU if they hire a coach you don't like...stop it.  No you won't.

Four years ago I knew the one candidate who would be terrible was Archie Miller.  I'm still a fan.  Treesh hated it so much he said he was done.  Now he's Archie's biggest fan. 

You're not quitting IU basketball if we hire the guy you don't want.  It's ingrained in your soul.

To be fair, I got involved with college basketball which made me change my mind lol. 

#BringArchieBack

[IU Prof]

Didn't TTU finish behind UT this year? The optics of paying $20 million in buyouts in that scenario isn't great. I get it was only one year, but that would still be a very aggressive move.

[Stuhoo]

Not for nothing, but Anthony Leal would be a freaking superstar playing for Porter Moser.

[T White]

11 minutes ago, IU Prof said:

I love 0708, but his connections have been all over the place on this one. On HSN, on Monday before the crash, he said he'd heard it wasn't Stevens but someone was a lock that everyone would be happy with. Then his connection went all in on Stevens, and now (apparently) is leaking Woodson.

Let's go back four years. Did any of the people with "insider information" actually get the Miller hiring right? I don't remember much except the Donovan stories and others hoping for Wright or Bennett or Whomever. 

How about previous to that? Did any "insider" get the Crean hiring right? I honestly don't remember much at all about the expert predictions at that time.

All I'm saying is, it appears to be somewhat folly to put a heck of a lot of faith into any of these "insider" takes. Also that some of these coach's winning percentages that people complain about appear to be better than the "insider" track records.

[Parakeet Jones]

15 minutes ago, JSHoosier said:

I'd be more than okay with Beard as a backup.

Before I allowed myself to get swept in Brad mania and allow myself to think he was an option, Beard was my number one. 

[NVFalcons1990]

3 minutes ago, IU Prof said:

Didn't TTU finish behind UT this year? The optics of paying $20 million in buyouts in that scenario isn't great. I get it was only one year, but that would still be a very aggressive move.

Shaka in NCAA's as Texas coach last 4 years:

Year 1: One and done in NCAA, 8-10 in conf.

Year 2: NIT Champs, 8-10 in conf.

Year 3: 9-9 in conf.

Year 4: One and done in NCAA

 

[Stuhoo]

5 minutes ago, T White said:

Let's go back four years. Did any of the people with "insider information" actually get the Miller hiring right? I don't remember much except the Donovan stories and others hoping for Wright or Bennett or Whomever. 

How about previous to that? Did any "insider" get the Crean hiring right? I honestly don't remember much at all about the expert predictions at that time.

All I'm saying is, it appears to be somewhat folly to put a heck of a lot of faith into any of these "insider" takes. Also that some of these coach's winning percentages that people complain about appear to be better than the "insider" track records.

Archie was mentioned. About as frequently as Porter Moser has this week.

That doesn’t mean we’re hiring Moser, but that about how much.

[Trish]

Beard is going to Texas folks. His girlfriend is probably laughing at the idea of moving to Indiana instead of Austin, TX.

We're striking out. 

#1 is out. #2 is out.

Should we change the title to, who is our #3? LOL

 

[NVFalcons1990]

1 minute ago, Treesh said:

Beard is going to Texas folks. His girlfriend is probably laughing at the idea of moving to Indiana instead of Austin, TX.

We're striking out. 

#1 is out. #2 is out.

Should we change the title to, who is our #3? LOL

 

Thad Matta, you're the next man up and I think that would be a good hire if he's healthy 

[NVFalcons1990]

Coaches under Thad Matta:

Sean Miller, Archie Miller, Brad Stevens, Todd Lickliter, John Groce.  All have had some success out on their own, again these looked better in 2017 vs 2021. 

You can't argue that Matta can't coach, we need him to hire or keep a great recruiter.

[Trish]

4 minutes ago, NVFalcons1990 said:

Thad Matta, you're the next man up and I think that would be a good hire if he's healthy 

The board knows my stance on Matta. Extremely risky, too much to risk. We're looking for a new coach in 2025 in my opinion. 

[NVFalcons1990]

19 minutes ago, IU Prof said:

Didn't TTU finish behind UT this year? The optics of paying $20 million in buyouts in that scenario isn't great. I get it was only one year, but that would still be a very aggressive move.

Just look at Shaka's NCAA success at Texas vs Beard at Texas Tech and tell me why Texas isn't at least contemplating it.

[kreigh8]

Just now, Treesh said:

The board knows my stance on Matta. Extremely risky, too much to risk. We're looking for a new coach in 2025 in my opinion. 

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't this based essentially on his lack of recruiting from his past 4 years sitting out for his health? I know you would have been ok with Stevens, he hasn't recruited in 8 seasons now. I'd rather we go after Beard and have him say no first, but Matta as a 5th option or whatever it would be, wouldn't be the worst thing in the world.

[NVFalcons1990]

1 minute ago, Treesh said:

The board knows my stance on Matta. Extremely risky, too much to risk. We're looking for a new coach in 2025 in my opinion. 

Why 2025...he's only 53?  Look at his Wikipedia and tell me he isn't a winner.  His winning percentage is .740 and that includes his last 2 years where he could barely stand or walk. 

Rumor is he is healthy now after his last back surgery. I will take a coach with Indiana ties with a .740 winning % all day long!

[ap2345]

1 minute ago, Treesh said:

The board knows my stance on Matta. Extremely risky, too much to risk. We're looking for a new coach in 2025 in my opinion. 

Depends on his health. Which is supposedly better than it was made to be when OSU parted ways. He would possibly be the coach longer than 5 years because he is only 53 but there is risk.

[Trish]

Just now, kreigh8 said:

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't this based essentially on his lack of recruiting from his past 4 years sitting out for his health? I know you would have been ok with Stevens, he hasn't recruited in 8 seasons now. I'd rather we go after Beard and have him say no first, but Matta as a 5th option or whatever it would be, wouldn't be the worst thing in the world.

His lack of recruiting and coaching in general. Stevens has been out the game for eight years in college, but lets be honest. All he has to say is "I coached Tatum, Brown, Irving, Hayward, Horford, etc". 

His lack of recruiting is very concerning. Yes he can always hire people but has he kept up with his coaching networking? A lack of coaching is even more concerning. The game continues to change in styles. The B1G is different when he last coached. Lastly, his O$U teams were on a downwards trend in his last couple years. 

 

[lillurk]

23 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

Not for nothing, but Anthony Leal would be a freaking superstar playing for Porter Moser.

Imagine Jordan Geronimo unleashed on both ends in Moses’s system

[Indiana8585]

I know Texas has boatloads of athletic department revenue etc but they just fired Tom Herman who they now owe $15 million and his staff another $9million. That doesn’t include the money for the Sark deal either so I have a hard time believing they’re going to pay 20 something million just to buyout Beard on top of the contract they’d have to offer. 

[Trish]

2 minutes ago, NVFalcons1990 said:

Why 2025...he's only 53?  Look at his Wikipedia and tell me he isn't a winner.  His winning percentage is .740 and that includes his last 2 years where he could barely stand or walk. 

Rumor is he is healthy now after his last back surgery. I will take a coach with Indiana ties with a .740 winning % all day long!

This is Indiana. We fired Crean because he couldn't get us a to a final four or banner. We fired Archie because he couldn't win. Matta hasn't coached a big time game since I was a freshman in college.

We're looking for a coach in 2025 because he won't lead us to a final four or banner. If we're going to hire a coach to just win and get us to a first round each year then.. wow. The media is indeed right. Indiana is not Indiana.

[NVFalcons1990]

Matta overall 439-154 (.740)

1 yr at Butler 24-8 (.750) round of 32

3 yrs. at Xavier 78-23 (.772) Elite 8, rd 32, rd 32

13 yrs at Ohio State 337-123 (.733) NCAA runner-up, Final 4, Elite 8, two sweet 16's, 2 rd of 32, 2 rd 64, NIT Champ, NIT rd 2, only missed Tourney all together in his final year.