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[Unexpectedflash]

10 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

Good interview from AJ with Scott Dolson today

https://www.pscp.tv/w/1gqxvobONoAKB

Scott sounds like a giant Hoosiers sports fan just like all of us. Gives me some hope that he'll want to get us back to winning like when he was a manager.

[Golfman25]

1 hour ago, NashvilleHoosier said:

I think you're right in that if IU football can find success, there is no reason IU basketball cannot. Where I don't think there is a direct correlation is that we don't want a Tom Allen for basketball (not the man and coach we currently know, I mean the equivalent of what Tom Allen was before he was our head football coach). He wasn't a known commodity that had a track record of high level head coaching success before we hired him. We want the hoops version of a Nick Saban, a Ryan Day, a Dabo Swinney. A Tom Allen in the college basketball world is a well respected assistant coach who specializes in defense. Are those out there? Sure. Can they have a Tom Allen affect on the basketball program? Sure. But they are all names we would scoff at as our next head coach. I could be wrong but I think Chris's point is more that our list of Nick Saban's, Ryan Day's and Dabo Swinney's in college hoops aren't viewing this job as very attractive. The Tom Allen's of college hoops probably would, and wouldn't bat an eye at whatever the perceived administration issues are. 

My comment was in response to the sorry old excuse that "the Administration" won't let Basketball succeed.  Nobody has ever pointed to a concrete example.  On the contrary, Football and other sports show that is not true.  

[Jeff_Boy_Ardee]

Good interview from AJ with Scott Dolson today

https://www.pscp.tv/w/1gqxvobONoAKB

AJ has really got something going with these podcasts I really enjoy them. Also, to relate to the coaching candidates, as I said earlier, Fife is only realistic if it is for the HC position so we would have to roll the dice being the first big program, however every single player that talks about him seems to talk positive: hates losing, hard worker, a little crazy in him. If we have to go with an IU guy I’m on board with others preferring it to be Fife.

 

I would love to see AJ get on staff at some capacity in the future. He’s mentioned multiple times in his Twitter when people comment to him about being a shooting coach that “Archie has my number”

 

 

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[Chris007]

Just now, Unexpectedflash said:

Scott sounds like a giant Hoosiers sports fan just like all of us. Gives me some hope that he'll want to get us back to winning like when he was a manager.

You won't find someone who loves IU more than Scott. This has been his home since 83. He meets you once he will know you for life. Great guy. Still pretty sure he is not making this decision himself but we'll see. 

[Chris007]

2 minutes ago, Jeff_Boy_Ardee said:

AJ has really got something going with these podcasts I really enjoy them. Also, to relate to the coaching candidates, as I said earlier, Fife is only realistic if it is for the HC position so we would have to roll the dice being the first big program, however every single player that talks about him seems to talk positive: hates losing, hard worker, a little crazy in him. If we have to go with an IU guy I’m on board with others preferring it to be Fife.

 

I would love to see AJ get on staff at some capacity in the future. He’s mentioned multiple times in his Twitter when people comment to him about being a shooting coach that “Archie has my number”

 

 

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I'm starting to get on that boat myself with Fife. An IU guy, knows the culture, can recruit, and would be cheap. Scott is looking for the coach for the next 25 years

[HoosierAloha]

10 minutes ago, Golfman25 said:

My comment was in response to the sorry old excuse that "the Administration" won't let Basketball succeed.  Nobody has ever pointed to a concrete example.  On the contrary, Football and other sports show that is not true.  

What's holding IU back from succeeding in basketball?

[lillurk]

3 minutes ago, HoosierAloha said:

What's holding IU back from succeeding in basketball?

Well currently they have a coach who wants the program identity to be defense but they’re bad at defense. He’s also the last coach in America to realize that shooting and making lots of threes is good, and conversely preventing the opponent from hitting them is bad.

This is at least partially because he was hired on the strength of a three game March winning streak and nice connections.

[Class of '66 Old Fart]

1 minute ago, Chris007 said:

 Scott is looking for the coach for the next 25 years

I think this is what kicks several of the names we've bandied about out of the equation.    And I also don't think he's into this John Beilein / Dane Fife on the bench "coach-in-waiting" stuff.  This is his first hire and it's the biggest one he'll ever likely make during his tenure as AD.

rcs29 did all the work and posted this information for us yesterday; I just massaged the numbers so I could sort them by age.  I think you can scratch off your wish list any coach who's already 55+

COACH	AGE	SALARY (thousands)	BUYOUT (thousands)
Tonagel, Greg	N.A.	N.A.	N.A.
Hamilton, Leonard	72	2,300	0
Beilein, John	68	N.A.	N.A.
Kruger, Lon	68	3,300	2,900
Pition, Rick	68	1,100	N.A.
Barnes, Rick	66	5,300	5,000
Sampson, Kelvin	65	3,000	12,000
Altman, Dana	62	3,500	3,000
Calipari, John	62	8,500	60,000
Woodson, Mike	62	N.A.	N.A.
Wittman, Randy	61	N.A.	N.A.
Pearl, Bruce	60	4,000	12,000
Musselman, Eric	58	2,600	1,500
Alford, Steve	56	500	4,000-6,000
Donovan, Billy	55	6,000	N.A.
Jackson, Mark	55	N.A.	N.A.
Matta, Thad	53	N.A.	N.A.
Moser, Porter	52	N.A.	N.A.
Bennett, Tony	51	5,200	18,000
Cooley, Ed	51	3,500	N.A.
Drew, Scott	50	3,300	N.A.
Cheaney, Calbert	49	N.A.	N.A.
Cronin, Mick	49	3,400	15,400
Alexander, Casey	48	800	N.A.
Beard, Chris	48	4,600	3,000
Pope, Mark	48	N.A.	N.A.
Smith, Craig	48	800	N.A.
Oats, Nate	46	3,300	12,600
Devries, Darian	45	N.A.	N.A.
Lewis, Michael	44	250	N.A.
Shrewsberry, Micah	44	N.A.	N.A.
Stevens Brad	44	3,700	N.A.
Fife, Dane	41	265	N.A.
Steele, Travis	39	N.A.	N.A.
Nored, Ronald	31	N.A.	N.A.

 

 

 

 

 

[HoosierAloha]

Well currently they have a coach who wants the program identity to be defense but they’re bad at defense. He’s also the last coach in America to realize that shooting and making lots of threes is good, and conversely preventing the opponent from hitting them is bad.
This is at least partially because he was hired on the strength of a three game March winning streak and nice connections.

And before Arch was ever thought of for the coaching gig, what was the problem then?


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[Stuhoo]

12 minutes ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

I think this is what kicks several of the names we've bandied about out of the equation.    And I also don't think he's into this John Beilein / Dane Fife on the bench "coach-in-waiting" stuff.  This is his first hire and it's the biggest one he'll ever likely make during his tenure as AD.

rcs29 did all the work and posted this information for us yesterday; I just massaged the numbers so I could sort them by age.  I think you can scratch off your wish list any coach who's already 55+

COACH	AGE	SALARY (thousands)	BUYOUT (thousands)
Tonagel, Greg	N.A.	N.A.	N.A.
Hamilton, Leonard	72	2,300	0
Beilein, John	68	N.A.	N.A.
Kruger, Lon	68	3,300	2,900
Pition, Rick	68	1,100	N.A.
Barnes, Rick	66	5,300	5,000
Sampson, Kelvin	65	3,000	12,000
Altman, Dana	62	3,500	3,000
Calipari, John	62	8,500	60,000
Woodson, Mike	62	N.A.	N.A.
Wittman, Randy	61	N.A.	N.A.
Pearl, Bruce	60	4,000	12,000
Musselman, Eric	58	2,600	1,500
Alford, Steve	56	500	4,000-6,000
Donovan, Billy	55	6,000	N.A.
Jackson, Mark	55	N.A.	N.A.
Matta, Thad	53	N.A.	N.A.
Moser, Porter	52	N.A.	N.A.
Bennett, Tony	51	5,200	18,000
Cooley, Ed	51	3,500	N.A.
Drew, Scott	50	3,300	N.A.
Cheaney, Calbert	49	N.A.	N.A.
Cronin, Mick	49	3,400	15,400
Alexander, Casey	48	800	N.A.
Beard, Chris	48	4,600	3,000
Pope, Mark	48	N.A.	N.A.
Smith, Craig	48	800	N.A.
Oats, Nate	46	3,300	12,600
Devries, Darian	45	N.A.	N.A.
Lewis, Michael	44	250	N.A.
Shrewsberry, Micah	44	N.A.	N.A.
Stevens Brad	44	3,700	N.A.
Fife, Dane	41	265	N.A.
Steele, Travis	39	N.A.	N.A.
Nored, Ronald	31	N.A.	N.A.

 

 

 

 

 

Please add Dennis Gates from Cleveland State     41    350    N.A.

[Chris007]

8 minutes ago, lillurk said:

Well currently they have a coach who wants the program identity to be defense but they’re bad at defense. He’s also the last coach in America to realize that shooting and making lots of threes is good, and conversely preventing the opponent from hitting them is bad.

This is at least partially because he was hired on the strength of a three game March winning streak and nice connections.

He has a career winning percentage of 64% so he didn't get the job on a 3 game winning streak.

[southernindianahoosier2]

I don't think a lot of people are lining up to work for this athletic department. Most of the same people have been there during all of these hires. Hopefully getting a new president will help this summer. 

Is the department capable of change? Or do we need to clean house?

Maybe I’m just confused how an athletic department can be so incompetent for 21+ years

Any further insight you could provide on what the issues are?


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[Banksyrules]

Guys these attacks that Archie wasn’t deserving of the gig are off base.  Many programs and people around the game all said that IU made a great hire.  It didn’t work out, but it doesn’t mean we have to be bitter at him. Just replace the guy and we move on.  

[Chris007]

2 minutes ago, southernindianahoosier2 said:

 

Is the department capable of change? Or do we need to clean house?

Maybe I’m just confused how an athletic department can be so incompetent for 21+ years

Any further insight you could provide on what the issues are?


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I will try to in the next couple of days. Working on something this afternoon. Also don't want to say too much about the department. Scott is not part of the problem I know that for sure. 

[southernindianahoosier2]

You won't find someone who loves IU more than Scott. This has been his home since 83. He meets you once he will know you for life. Great guy. Still pretty sure he is not making this decision himself but we'll see. 

Can he make the decision himself if he wants? Who’s making the decision with him? Haha sorry for being so blunt


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[NashvilleHoosier]

50 minutes ago, Golfman25 said:

My comment was in response to the sorry old excuse that "the Administration" won't let Basketball succeed.  Nobody has ever pointed to a concrete example.  On the contrary, Football and other sports show that is not true.  

Right, and I'm not necessarily buying into the administration holding IU hoops back theory. But it does seem to be a theory many buy into, and if that impression is really out there, high level coaches will know it, and that could turn them off. 

[Chris007]

5 minutes ago, southernindianahoosier2 said:

Can he make the decision himself if he wants? Who’s making the decision with him? Haha sorry for being so blunt


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He is making this decision along with at least one trustee, 7-10 boosters, some very high-up department people, and the president. Now when I say boosters, they're not meeting with him weekly, they're not calling him or overstepping what he does. They will give their opinion when asked. Fred made the last decision pretty much by himself and the one trustee. 

[lillurk]

24 minutes ago, HoosierAloha said:

And before Arch was ever thought of for the coaching gig, what was the problem then?


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I would say:

-put up with Knight’s antics for too long, then

-went with Davis, the guy who’d keep the program from splintering players a thousand directions, who

-overperformed and got an extension, but

-never lived up to the promise some saw.

-then, hired a good coach with known NCAA issues and suffered the inevitable consequences (Sampson), so

-reacted strongly against that and set the program back again, so

-had a limited hiring pool and chose a good coach who did alright but was inconsistent. 

-went back to the hiring pool and grabbed a guy who was well-regarded but (IMHO) had a reputation built on less than other candidates (e.g. Holtmann had never been as far in the tourney but had succeeded in a tougher conference with better overall results based on every metric except tournament win streaks — perhaps I was too flippant, as @Chris007 pointed out, but my point that the hire was based on mostly potential, I stand by).

(I know the “Holtmann wouldn’t have come” talking post, which may be true, I’m just saying I think it’s 1) correct that at the time Archie was the flashier name in the hiring market based on media/rep, but also 2) one of the hiring market flaws is overemphasis on tournament success. Sometimes that pays off, but both now and at the time I’d take a coach who consistently builds strong teams over a coach with one nice tournament run.)

[Golfman25]

Just now, Chris007 said:

He is making this decision along with at least one trustee, 7-10 boosters, some very high-up department people, and the president. Now when I say boosters, they're not meeting with him weekly, they're not calling him or overstepping what he does. They will give their opinion when asked. Fred made the last decision pretty much by himself and the one trustee. 

I would much rather have him do his job and make the decision himself.  Sure bounce ideas off people.  But honestly, wtf do the boosters and trustees know about Basketball.  May as well just use the peanut gallery here at BTB.  

[Chris007]

1 minute ago, Golfman25 said:

I would much rather have him do his job and make the decision himself.  Sure bounce ideas off people.  But honestly, wtf do the boosters and trustees know about Basketball.  May as well just use the peanut gallery here at BTB.  

The decision to keep or dismiss Archie, not the new coach. He can't make a 10 million decision when the department doesn't have any money.