NCAA MBB Transfer Portal

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13 minutes ago, woodenshoemanHoosierfan said:

I agree we have holes to fill. We missed out on Ledlum and Knecht. But that doesn't mean I think we are screwed for next year 2 and a half weeks after the previous season ended. We have no idea who the staff is going after to fill those holes. If they aren't going after anyone else and the roster hasn't changed in a month or so, I'll start feeling angst about the upcoming season.
Also, just because someone they are talking to or sign and they aren't who I think they should go after, I'm not going to jump off the cliff. They could turn out to be the ones to fill those holes, just like Ludlum and knight could fall flat next year. We don't know.
It is way to early to start stressing about next year

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I think the concern seems to be there are no additional names being talked about.  It’s very quiet right now.   Who are we targeting at this point?  

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Speculation but I’m guessing that the SEC schools negatively recruit against the Big 10 style of play and lack of success in the tourney.  I could see why an athletic wing, as an example, wouldn’t want to play in a rugby conference.
Although not related to the portal the Big Ten is  also having issues landing 5* high school kids. In 2022 247 listed 27 five stars. The SEC landed 10 of the kids (5 different schools),  Duke 4 and UK 2.  JHS was the only BT 5* recruit.
In 2023 they also listed 27 five stars. Only one of them, Booker to MSU, committed to the BT. The SEC landed 6 (not as balanced as 2022 as 4 went to UK and 2 to Arkansas),  Duke landed 5 of them and Louisville inexplicably landed two of them.  
I think we have a bit of a conference/style of play issue.

This is an excellent point


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I think the concern seems to be there are no additional names being talked about.  It’s very quiet right now.   Who are we targeting at this point?  

Just because we aren't hearing doesn't mean they aren't working both recruiting and portaling.

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Does not appear to be a fit for IU, but Isaac Jones of Idaho enters the portal.  6’9”, 240.  Averaged 19.4 points and 7.8 rebounds.  Shot 63%.  Not a big threat from 3 but did make 6 of 19.

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10 hours ago, Stuhoo said:

Salary cap is solely professional sports.

There is no salary cap in college basketball.

Pretty sure @maharkn was kidding.

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6 hours ago, DChoosier said:

Speculation but I’m guessing that the SEC schools negatively recruit against the Big 10 style of play and lack of success in the tourney.  I could see why an athletic wing, as an example, wouldn’t want to play in a rugby conference.

Although not related to the portal the Big Ten is  also having issues landing 5* high school kids. In 2022 247 listed 27 five stars. The SEC landed 10 of the kids (5 different schools),  Duke 4 and UK 2.  JHS was the only BT 5* recruit.

In 2023 they also listed 27 five stars. Only one of them, Booker to MSU, committed to the BT. The SEC landed 6 (not as balanced as 2022 as 4 went to UK and 2 to Arkansas),  Duke landed 5 of them and Louisville inexplicably landed two of them.  

I think we have a bit of a conference/style of play issue.

It’s largely just population. The Big Ten is a Midwestern conference. The population of the current US lives out west, on the east coast and down south. This is doubly true of young people. Any basic map of population trends will show you this. There’s a reason we’re referred to as the Rust Belt. 

Just looked at 2023. There’s only two kids really in the B1G footprint. MSU got one and ISU beat out Iowa for the other one. 
 

In 2022, there was only one Midwestern kid. He was from Kansas and went to Kansas. 

You can’t recruit kids that don’t exist!  
 

Indiana has an advantage in that we’re in a talent rich state but we usually squander that edge. We’re also a big basketball school that should be able to recruit out of our footprint like KU, but that takes a staff able to do that, as well. Self, Roy Williams, and Brown were all great recruiters. But largely we’re in a Midwest footprint lacking in talent. You see the same dynamic in football every year.  Indiana needs to find a way to keep kids in state and recruit nationally. That’s on the staff, and now the boosters. 
 

The physicality thing is just a proxy for playing without a lot of top end talent. There are no special B1G rules. There are no conference referees. Just a bunch of coaches with undertalented teams adopting styles to let them try and compete. 
 

 ISU was as physical as any Big Ten team. KSU would’ve kicked the crap out of most Big Ten teams. But Kansas, because they recruit nationally, and Texas, because they are the flagship school of a talent/population rich state,  recruit enough talent to dominate the conference. 

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Maybe we can start a separate thread for the doom and gloom discussion.

 

A few of my working thread titles this morning:

 

-2023-24 Panic Button

-The Sky Has Fallen, And Not In The Cool James Bond Way

-The Portal Has Destroyed Our Lives

-Christmas Sucked Because I Didn’t Get Every Toy I Asked Woody For This Year

 

 

 

 

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12 hours ago, lillurk said:

No ill will toward Knecht, nor really UT — I’m in favor of their success as long as it’s not at UT’s expense.

That said, I find this a surprising choice on the merits. As discussed after the Ledlum commitment, UT plays a pretty stifled, set-based offense; if you wanted to really cook IU’s a better choice. UT also returns a multi-year starter at the same spot in Vescovi, and once Ziegler’s healthy, he’ll be their full-time point guard. Barnes tends to play fewer 3 guard lineups and more two-big ones.

Even knowing Ziegler will miss substantial time, there’s clearly less PT at UT at the moment than IU.

We never know all the details but was he only gonna pick a Nike school or something?

Barnes has always been a middling coach but an elite recruiter. He pulled Kevin Durant out of the DMV.  
 

I think people assumed he lost his fastball at the end on his Texas tenure, but he seems to be back to his old ways at Tenn. Lots of great coaches have lost recruiting battles to him over guys better than a couple of Wyoming/Harvard transfers. 

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Couple questions on guys we know won’t be at IU next year:

Anyone know where Jordan Geronimo has been receiving interest from?  Just curious to see where he ends up.

another guy I wonder about is Jamarion Sharp.  Thought he would have landed somewhere by now.

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12 hours ago, lillurk said:

No ill will toward Knecht, nor really UT — I’m in favor of their success as long as it’s not at UT’s expense.

That said, I find this a surprising choice on the merits. As discussed after the Ledlum commitment, UT plays a pretty stifled, set-based offense; if you wanted to really cook IU’s a better choice. UT also returns a multi-year starter at the same spot in Vescovi, and once Ziegler’s healthy, he’ll be their full-time point guard. Barnes tends to play fewer 3 guard lineups and more two-big ones.

Even knowing Ziegler will miss substantial time, there’s clearly less PT at UT at the moment than IU.

We never know all the details but was he only gonna pick a Nike school or something?

Vescovi, ZZ, and Knecht can all co exist and start. 

Or they won't start ZZ, which Barnes prefers. 

Two years ago--- Tennessee would play ZZ, Kennedy Chandler, AND Vescovi together. 

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7 minutes ago, str8baller said:

Barnes has always been a middling coach but an elite recruiter. He pulled Kevin Durant out of the DMV.  
 

I think people assumed he lost his fastball at the end on his Texas tenure, but he seems to be back to his old ways at Tenn. Lots of great coaches have lost recruiting battles to him over guys better than a couple of Wyoming/Harvard transfers. 

I got called out a week ago for pointing out Barnes recruiting “savvy”. Some guys have a way.  A lot of coaches currently in $EC bring their A game.  

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4 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

I got called out a week ago for pointing out Barnes recruiting “savvy”. Some guys have a way.  A lot of coaches currently in $EC bring their A game.  

It could be that. But he really is just a good recruiter. Some of you younger guys might not remember his early Texas run. But within a couple years he started picking off top 50 guys almost every year. 
 

He also has an eye for talent. Brandon Mouton wasnt super highly ranked but was an outstanding player—a long guard who could score and do everything. PJ Tucker wasn’t super highly ranked. He was the epitome of do everything. I think he’s STILL playing in the NBA!  
 

From there he just started stacking classes full of dudes that would play in the NBA. 

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7 hours ago, DChoosier said:

Speculation but I’m guessing that the SEC schools negatively recruit against the Big 10 style of play and lack of success in the tourney.  I could see why an athletic wing, as an example, wouldn’t want to play in a rugby conference.

Although not related to the portal the Big Ten is  also having issues landing 5* high school kids. In 2022 247 listed 27 five stars. The SEC landed 10 of the kids (5 different schools),  Duke 4 and UK 2.  JHS was the only BT 5* recruit.

In 2023 they also listed 27 five stars. Only one of them, Booker to MSU, committed to the BT. The SEC landed 6 (not as balanced as 2022 as 4 went to UK and 2 to Arkansas),  Duke landed 5 of them and Louisville inexplicably landed two of them.  

I think we have a bit of a conference/style of play issue.

Perhaps that is the issue, kind of make sense.  The style of play needs to change, that much is true.  It starts with Purdue, I say kick them out of the conference, lol!  
 

I do think Woodson can change the style of play if he was able to land the right players.  
 

 

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28 minutes ago, btownqb said:

Vescovi, ZZ, and Knecht can all co exist and start. 

Or they won't start ZZ, which Barnes prefers. 

Two years ago--- Tennessee would play ZZ, Kennedy Chandler, AND Vescovi together. 

I agree, they’ve got other guys too and I should’ve mentioned that. Mashack, Dillione, Edwards, and Phillips and JJJ could all come back. I like Galloway, Banks, Gunn, etc. but it’s undeniably more crowded at UT

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2 minutes ago, lillurk said:

I agree, they’ve got other guys too and I should’ve mentioned that. Mashack, Dillione, Edwards, and Phillips and JJJ could all come back. I like Galloway, Banks, Gunn, etc. but it’s undeniably more crowded at UT

I think Phillips+JJJ are gone or they wouldn't have gotten their last two portalers. 

Yes, less comp at IU. 

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46 minutes ago, btownqb said:

I think Phillips+JJJ are gone or they wouldn't have gotten their last two portalers. 

Yes, less comp at IU. 

Phillips gone as in in going to the draft or gone as in transfer?  Because I’ve seen him projected to be very late second round.  I think he wanted to be a one and done but his freshman year didn’t go as well as he hoped.

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On 4/21/2023 at 8:45 AM, Chris007 said:

I honestly don't think we are recruiting anyone in the portal at this time. 

Yikes! Major whiff by the staff to address needs. We need Banks and Gunn to make some very unrealistic jumps, in order to be competitive next season. I’m not optimistic. Bummed. 

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Just now, RaceToTheTop said:

Phillips gone as in in going to the draft or gone as in transfer?  Because I’ve seen him projected to be very late second round.  I think he wanted to be a one and done but his freshman year didn’t go as well as he hoped.

"I think" 100% an opinion/ how could it work if not? 

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1 minute ago, HoosierTrav said:

Yikes! Major whiff by the staff to address needs. We need Banks and Gunn to make some very unrealistic jumps, in order to be competitive next season. I’m not optimistic. Bummed. 

We do know that since Chris’ post IU has contacted CJ Frederick, so I don’t think that the staff has decided to stop with the portal.

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6 minutes ago, btownqb said:

"I think" 100% an opinion/ how could it work if not? 

I’m not sure what you are asking.  All I am saying is that coming into college that I believe Phillips’ goal was to play one season at UT and then turn pro — he’s currently going into the NBA draft but keeping eligibility open and from what the mocks are saying he likely is not going to hear encouraging feedback.

if you are asking how UT’s scholarship numbers and how it would work out if Phillips and more decide not to stay in the draft, that could be an issue that UT has decided to deal with later ic it occurs.  I don’t know.  My question about Phillips was whether the posted thought phillips would stay in the draft or perhaps enter the portal.