Archie. Miller. Fired.

[Hoosierfan2017 24,468]

5 minutes ago, monskisprodigy said:

My wife and I had a discussion about this. From time to time I would see Crean out and about, and often heard of people having interactions with him. I personally had a couple. 

Now there may be some on here that have, but I personally have not heard of anyone having any interaction with him in the community, let alone even seeing him. I've never got the impression he was invested in this community, which is a shame. I wonder if some of that disconnectedness is resulting in the fan base's reaction. A lot harder to can a coach that is involved in the community and making an effort. 

I remember seeing Crean at Barnes and Noble a few times. He was usually in the sports section looking for a how-to guide on beating a 2-3 zone. 
 

[TheWatShot 15,374]

7 minutes ago, monskisprodigy said:

My wife and I had a discussion about this. From time to time I would see Crean out and about, and often heard of people having interactions with him. I personally had a couple. 

Now there may be some on here that have, but I personally have not heard of anyone having any interaction with him in the community, let alone even seeing him. I've never got the impression he was invested in this community, which is a shame. I wonder if some of that disconnectedness is resulting in the fan base's reaction. A lot harder to can a coach that is involved in the community and making an effort. 

I've also heard it mentioned that we never see or hear anything about his family, which is strange. 

[Chris007 60,787]

19 minutes ago, TheWatShot said:

I think 4 years ago, there was a lot more noise because Crean loved coaching here and didn't want to be fired. I always thought the "soft landing" nonsense was BS. Crean won big games here, and seemed to genuinely embrace where he was. I've never gotten that vibe from Miller. If he has any affection toward this place, he has a funny way of showing it. I think he realizes he's in over his head and has been for some time, but factors like pride and $$$ are making it more difficult for him to step away. 

Crean may be loved working here, but most who worked with him would have driven him to the airport to get him out of town. His son Riley played several sports so that is why you saw him out more than Archie. I don't believe Archie's daughter plays sports. His wife doesn't announce who she is, like Crean's wife did everywhere she went too. 

[Chris007 60,787]

About a week after Crean was hired my wife & I were eating at Red Lobster. Tom walks in stops in the middle of the dining room & yells HELLO EVERYONE!! I thought to myself just go get me another cheese biscuit. 

[Chris007 60,787]

14 minutes ago, monskisprodigy said:

My wife and I had a discussion about this. From time to time I would see Crean out and about, and often heard of people having interactions with him. I personally had a couple. 

Now there may be some on here that have, but I personally have not heard of anyone having any interaction with him in the community, let alone even seeing him. I've never got the impression he was invested in this community, which is a shame. I wonder if some of that disconnectedness is resulting in the fan base's reaction. A lot harder to can a coach that is involved in the community and making an effort. 

Besides seeing him at Assembly Hall I have seen him at the dry cleaners on 3rd street. His house is about 4 houses down from Crean's old house which might still be for sale. 

[DChoosier 9,420]

5 hours ago, Capt. Crimson said:

I do think the promise of 'inside out' recruiting did hurt him in the long run. He's not from Indiana, and I think it's somewhat ignorant to believe focusing on one state is the right move in 2021. 

I’m glad he realized the importance of recruiting well in Indiana but he also realized he needed out of state talent. The issue is that he spent a lot of time and effort on out of state guys but landed very few of them.
In 2019, as an example, he offered 23 kids and 18 of the 23 were from out of state (none of the 18 out of staters committed to IU).  He has gone after a slew of out of staters, albeit with varying degrees of effort, such as  Garland, DJ Carton, Bouknight, Watford, Ramsey, Cross, Garcia, Morton, Mohammed, Miller, etc etc.

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich 9,198]

7 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

Crean may be loved working here, but most who worked with him would have driven him to the airport to get him out of town. His son Riley played several sports so that is why you saw him out more than Archie. I don't believe Archie's daughter plays sports. His wife doesn't announce who she is, like Crean's wife did everywhere she went too. 

My parents had dinner with Crean a few times. I don't think he was a bad guy by any means. He seemed nice the one time I got to meet him. He signed my dad's leg at Hoosier Hysteria in his second season at IU. It sucks he couldn't be more consistent in winning and recruiting. 

[Chris007 60,787]

Just now, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

My parents had dinner with Crean a few times. I don't think he was a bad guy by any means. He seemed nice the one time I got to meet him. He signed my dad's leg at Hoosier Hysteria in his second season at IU. It sucks he couldn't be more consistent in winning and recruiting. 

He was super nice to me, only yelled at me at practice a time or two. Just the OCD personality was a lot to handle. He meant well. 

[Hillsdale87 1,515]

On the morning of the day he was fired, someone on Twitter (forget who it was, might have been someone with ITH), said "all signs point to a return." Yeah, there was quite a bit of panic in the days leading up to it. Things seem pretty quiet now, in comparison. 

I think that was Rabjohns


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[jonz44 838]

51 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

I remember seeing Crean at Barnes and Noble a few times. He was usually in the sports section looking for a how-to guide on beating a 2-3 zone. 
 

That is seriously cold blooded... but pretty damn funny as well! 

[Class of '66 Old Fart 89,265]

Purely out of curiosity, I checked the btb history books.  The Fire Tom Crean thread started in January 2014,  On March 16, 2017, the day Crean was fired, it had reached 1,038 pages.

Boys and girls we're at a paltry 45 pages so we've got our work cut out for us so let's get posting!  

[IU - Kaulie 2,090]

54 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

Crean may be loved working here, but most who worked with him would have driven him to the airport to get him out of town. His son Riley played several sports so that is why you saw him out more than Archie. I don't believe Archie's daughter plays sports. His wife doesn't announce who she is, like Crean's wife did everywhere she went too. 

I have to disagree a little bit with this take.  I ran into Crean and his wife several times on campus, Target, Church, North games, and a couple other places.  My only interaction was nothing more than hello but the family always seemed nice and approachable to those that I saw them talking too.  They loved IU and Bloomington and Crean fought like hell to keep his job.  For whatever shortcomings he has as a coach he earned my respect.  Archie acts like this is just a pit stop.  I don’t sense that he could care less that he’s coaching at IU or any other P5 school.  

[Josh 13,177]

5 minutes ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

Purely out of curiosity, I checked the btb history books.  The Fire Tom Crean thread started in January 2014,  On March 16, 2017, the day Crean was fired, it had reached 1,038 pages.

Boys and girls we're at a paltry 45 pages so we've got our work cut out for us so let's get posting!  

 

[Josh 13,177]

6 minutes ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

Purely out of curiosity, I checked the btb history books.  The Fire Tom Crean thread started in January 2014,  On March 16, 2017, the day Crean was fired, it had reached 1,038 pages.

Boys and girls we're at a paltry 45 pages so we've got our work cut out for us so let's get posting!  

 

[Josh 13,177]

7 minutes ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

Purely out of curiosity, I checked the btb history books.  The Fire Tom Crean thread started in January 2014,  On March 16, 2017, the day Crean was fired, it had reached 1,038 pages.

Boys and girls we're at a paltry 45 pages so we've got our work cut out for us so let's get posting!  

 

[JSHoosier 22,182]

1 hour ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

I remember seeing Crean at Barnes and Noble a few times. He was usually in the sports section looking for a how-to guide on beating a 2-3 zone. 
 

He needed to read a few more apparently.

[Josh 13,177]

15 minutes ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

Purely out of curiosity, I checked the btb history books.  The Fire Tom Crean thread started in January 2014,  On March 16, 2017, the day Crean was fired, it had reached 1,038 pages.

Boys and girls we're at a paltry 45 pages so we've got our work cut out for us so let's get posting!  

Wait...there have certainly been threads trying to get him fired for years but the mods changed their names and made them go away.  If we combine those to this one, are we close?

[RaceToTheTop 30,066]

1 hour ago, Chris007 said:

He was super nice to me, only yelled at me at practice a time or two. Just the OCD personality was a lot to handle. He meant well. 

I have OCD (with the meds to document and papers to prove it, LOL) and I think that the number of undiagnosed basketball coaches with OCD is probably startling.  It's a gift and a curse.

[Ryno6284 4,272]

1 hour ago, brumdog45 said:

I have OCD (with the meds to document and papers to prove it, LOL) and I think that the number of undiagnosed basketball coaches with OCD is probably startling.  It's a gift and a curse.

I think OCD is a prerequisite for being a college coach!

[RaceToTheTop 30,066]

10 hours ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

That doesn't actually help. Teams now really just don't care if we shoot 3s. Why would they? Even if we had shooters, our offense doesn't have the movement to get guys open. They're open because the defenses allow it. 

Cool.....so let's not recruit shooters.