Game Thread: 2/10 IU @ NW 5:30 pm BTN

[KzooHoosier82 972]

5 hours ago, Chris007 said:

Collins didn't last night. In every aspect you look at in coaching, Collins was a step behind Archie. Collins got an education last night

I couldn’t disagree more. They had foul trouble which hampered them throughout the game and their best shooters went cold. Archie’s coaching didn’t cause them to miss wide open shots. We won this game due to a very random uptick in free throw percentage coupled with a prayer 3pt make by Hunter. Collins didn’t coach NW any different than their win in Bloomington, it was simply an off shooting night for them. What did Archie do to take away anything they wanted to do? What did he do to promote our offensive sets? I must be missing something here

[cthomas 6,432]

5 minutes ago, coonhounds said:

Lol is this for real? I never felt like we were done or anything but in what world were you confident we were going to win a game we literally trailed the entire game. It took two over times a couple gigantic shots and a miraculous improvement from the free throw line to pull it out. I had to listen to most of regulation and don and eric were not sounding optimistic at all not sure what made you so confident? Also throw in our track record of losing games that go exactly like this one lol

 

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It helped that I knew the outcome (since I watched it today) beforehand. Just a little 'tongue in cheek'.

[KzooHoosier82 972]

5 hours ago, IUc2016 said:

I actually think you have it backwards with regard to Collins. He has I think 5 top 150 guys on his roster (Nance and Kopp both in top 100) and Audige who was a pretty highly sought after transfer. He has the talent, he just can't coach a team to win close games. They showed it last year and again this year. Heck his best team failed to make the tournament and flopped majorly in a terrible big ten. 

Archie has been disappointing, but his coaching down the stretch last night was actually about as good as it gets. This team got open look after open look at the end of the game and out of time outs. Northwestern did not. I will agree with Chris007 on this one. 

Absolute insane take if you think NW’s recruit classes and overall talent levels are on par with IUs and I guarantee you Archie himself would agree, they aren’t. Two of their last four classes ranked dead last in the conference and they’re never better than the middle.

I don’t know what your attributing to Archie for the end of the game success (Al’s free throws going in? Hunter’s broken play despiration 3?) but a vastly less talented team (who already beat us on our own floor) almost beat us again if not for their foul trouble in the first half especially and missing a ton of open shots. As for Archie “drawling up out of bounds plays out of time outs”...that’s the responsibility of his assistants. He doesn’t even weigh in on them. 

[coonhounds 8,937]

It helped that I knew the outcome (since I watched it today) beforehand. Just a little 'tongue in cheek'.

Lol I should have read your post closer i look stupid. I was just amazed that you were confident during that ridiculous stressful game lol

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[cthomas 6,432]

You're good. I might have had a coronary if I watched it live.

[Alford Bailey 12,384]

5 hours ago, IUc2016 said:

And that stat has nothing to do with end game coaching. That stat has to do with a macro issue of the program. 

My comment has nothing to do with the current pissing match you are involved in. We did finish the game shooting 71% from the line fwiw.

[Honkyman 1,670]

It was a good move by Archie to use the fouls the team had under the 7 before Northwestern would go 1-and-1 in order to cut almost in half the final 7 seconds of the game. That is standard but it was good he knew to do it. The thing about Archie is he is by the book. But he is not creative, not innovative, which is why the offense is so predictable and sluggish.

[cappymo14 2,276]

I guess you have to be careful how you type in Matthew Loves Ball on YouTube .... ;)
 

OMFG! Thanks for that. I just spit my beer 20 feet across the living room floor.


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[Trish 11,566]

OFF-TOPIC.

 

But Rob is starting to remind me of Verdell Jones. He'd be great for a good stretch and then suddenly disappear from the face of earth. To Rob's credit, he's still an elite defender in this league but offensively he's very inconsistent. 

[Bowhunter 2,693]

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But Rob is starting to remind me of Verdell Jones. He'd be great for a good stretch and then suddenly disappear from the face of earth. To Rob's credit, he's still an elite defender in this league but offensively he's very inconsistent. 

Verdell had a sweet pull up and could finish. He is light years bettter than Rob offensively!


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[Loaded Chicken Sandwich 8,672]

1 hour ago, Treesh said:

OFF-TOPIC.

 

But Rob is starting to remind me of Verdell Jones. He'd be great for a good stretch and then suddenly disappear from the face of earth. To Rob's credit, he's still an elite defender in this league but offensively he's very inconsistent. 

I wish we had Verdell. Would have a perimeter player with endless confidence. 

[kreigh8 2,054]

6 minutes ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

I wish we had Verdell. Would have a perimeter player with endless confidence. 

Yeah, his 29% 3PT% would fit right in. Getting pretty loose with the perimeter adjective there

[rcbowla 7,119]

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But Rob is starting to remind me of Verdell Jones. He'd be great for a good stretch and then suddenly disappear from the face of earth. To Rob's credit, he's still an elite defender in this league but offensively he's very inconsistent. 

Yeah like Bow said I don't think they are alike at all. Good at opposite things. One area I'll agree on is that like Verdell, Rob can be a black hole of sorts. I remember Verdell would dribble the air out of the ball.

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[rcbowla 7,119]

Yeah, his 29% 3PT% would fit right in. Getting pretty loose with the perimeter adjective there

His mid range game seemed to be his strong suit from what I remember though

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[kreigh8 2,054]

Just now, rcs29 said:

His mid range game seemed to be his strong suit from what I remember though

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Definitely, but from my view we have plenty of guys who can do that already. What we don't have is someone who can consistently drill a 3. They'd probably sit a lot due to the defense but someone like Zeisloft or JBJ is what I can't understand about Archie's recruiting these past 4 seasons. The shooting woes are apparent to anyone who watches more than 5 games from IU - yet we can't seem to bring anyone into the program who has that skill set from the jump.

[Honkyman 1,670]

Whatever one thinks of Verdell Jones, he will forever be a key player in one of the most dramatic winning moments in IU history. Even without that I think he was better than Phinisee. But Rob still has time to redeem himself.

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich 8,672]

1 hour ago, kreigh8 said:

Yeah, his 29% 3PT% would fit right in. Getting pretty loose with the perimeter adjective there

I'm not worried about that. He'd just gives us someone not scared of their own shadow. 

[woodenshoemanHoosierfan 6,225]

I wish the others shot at close to this

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[HoosierAloha 30,068]

5 minutes ago, woodenshoemanHoosierfan said:

I wish the others shot at close to this
 

 

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It's crazy to think about but 3 more free throws (going from 66.4% to 67.1% on the season) could have netted 3 more wins.  Of course, that were if they were made in the right game.  (basically a lot of what ifs)  This team could be 14-5, probably in the top 15 in the country, 5-4 in Quad 1 games, and looking at a 4 or 5 seed in the tourney.  Crazy how fine of a line (pun intended) it is!

[Uspshoosier 45,679]

6 minutes ago, HoosierAloha said:

It's crazy to think about but 3 more free throws (going from 66.4% to 67.1% on the season) could have netted 3 more wins.  Of course, that were if they were made in the right game.  (basically a lot of what ifs)  This team could be 14-5, probably in the top 15 in the country, 5-4 in Quad 1 games, and looking at a 4 or 5 seed in the tourney.  Crazy how fine of a line (pun intended) it is!

Having 4 home losses is a seed killer.    IU’s road and neutral record is really good. If they would of won a couple more home games they definitely would of had a top 5 seed