Negativity Thread

[Chris007]

1 minute ago, IU-DL said:

I will never disagree with you Chris (and I don't even know you!) but as an alternate opinion, if Cheaney came in and won, the fan base would unite. I'm not sure he is capable of doing that, but it would definitely bring everyone together.

You are correct the base would unite. But as someone who has Cheaney's in my family, I know that not even CC or anyone in his family thinks that would be possible. But I know what you're saying. Now would that be the case with Alford? More likely of an option

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich]

It warms my heart to see all you guys realizing that Archie is a terrible coach.  Maybe we can all become one family again now! 

Wonder what took them so long?


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[Chris007]

1 minute ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

Say they basically knew Dolson was the next guy in line... wouldn’t Dolson be able to have a say in who the hire is? Hypothetically.


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YES without a doubt. 100% 

But on the other hand Scott has assisted with all of Fred's hires :-)

[Josh]

6 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

You also have to remember that if he has a good year next year he won't necessarily be fired either. I know you don't think that is possible but I'm just saying it's not guaranteed he will be fired.

Also, we haven't been united since Knight left. Some like Davis, some didn't and the same with Sampson, & Crean. I don't see someone being hired that is going to unite everyone. 

Oh, I do brother.  There is light at the end of this disgusting tunnel.  Open the checkbook and he will come!

[southernindianahoosier2]

Like I said I would love to put that in a contract but you HAVE to get the coach to agree to that provision which is hard. You may NOT have ANY decent coaches to hire if you tried that. Would be worth a shot, just not sure its practical or realistic to get ANY high level coach we need to agree to.

If Archie’s options are take a contract at IU that states his buyout reduces in the event he misses the tourney in his first 3 years (does not drop if he makes it), or he doesn’t take the contract. I think he would still take it 10/10 times. Just my opinion tho


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[Loaded Chicken Sandwich]

YES without a doubt. 100% 
But on the other hand Scott has assisted with all of Fred's hires :-)

So if Archie is fried then we can assume that Dolson will be the next AD.


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[Chris007]

4 minutes ago, LamarCheeks said:

This is the thing that puzzles me. There are guys who are really negative influences on the team -- or so it would seem. And I would think we can guess who they are. But every game, the same guys are either starting or getting 25 or so min. of PT. Maybe it comes down from the higher ups that you can't kick guys off, but it certainly doesn't come down from the higher ups that you have to play them so much. It just seems very strange. 

Don Fisher has said two weeks in a row on Dakich that Archie's hands are tied. But as Dakich said he doesn't have to play them. He might not be able to kick them off, but he certainly doesn't have to play them. 

[Hoosierfan2017]

2 minutes ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

He could do two things to be good now but he won’t because he’s not a good enough coach.


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He seemed to be a good coach during his first year here. I remember feeling confident in second halves because of halftime adjustments. I don't know wtf is going on, but it seems unlikely that he just forgot how to coach. The players also just aren't very good. I know it's common for people to argue that rankings don't matter, and then pull out outliers to support their argument, but more often than not the rankings get it right. You're just not winning much when the bulk of your minutes are coming from players ranked outside of the top 100, including all of your guards. 

[LamarCheeks]

9 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

Correct but you have to remember Fred is staying till July. New AD is coming in around there so there won't be a firing July or August. People can donate what they want but Fred is not making this hire & the new AD won't be here. 

Is that the exact timetable? ... What if they determine Dolson is the guy? I'm not saying he should or shouldn't be. But if they do, is there any chance they accelerate the timetable and by the middle or end of next month, say: "Thanks, Fred. But we're good now. You can head on out." 

[Chris007]

1 minute ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

So if Archie is fried then we can assume that Dolson will be the next AD.


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I think we could assume that. He's getting more mentions, I think most donors think it's his time. 

[Bowhunter]

Maybe something good comes out of the loss to Purdue at home in front of an excited Bobby Knight crowd.

 

Either Archie gets his $hit together and we start winning, maybe this wakes the staff and team up.

 

Or

 

We miss the tournament, and fail to land the upcoming stud recruits to Purdue, Louisville, eTc.

If the embarrassment of the last 4 games doesn’t change how we play, then maybe it’s good because we get a new coach sooner than later. Like someone said earlier, this was Archie’s Syracuse game.

 

Or heck maybe our next big coach is watching this, saying look at the passion and appreciation for the General. That could be me someday.

 

 

 

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[southernindianahoosier2]

Correct but you have to remember Fred is staying till July. New AD is coming in around there so there won't be a firing July or August. People can donate what they want but Fred is not making this hire & the new AD won't be here. 

Is the timing of Fred leaving because he’s forcing the university to keep Archie one more year, or was that just coincidence? I worry that if we wait, we could lose out on someone like Beard if the Texas job opens up.


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[Stuhoo]

3 minutes ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

So if Archie is fried then we can assume that Dolson will be the next AD.


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Freudian slip?

 

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich]

He seemed to be a good coach during his first year here. I remember feeling confident in second halves because of halftime adjustments. I don't know wtf is going on, but it seems unlikely that he just forgot how to coach. The players also just aren't very good. I know it's common for people to argue that rankings don't matter, and then pull out outliers to support their argument, but more often than not the rankings get it right. You're just not winning much when the bulk of your minutes are coming from players ranked outside of the top 100, including all of your guards. 

Well the offense is just plain garbage. I’ve literally never seen an offense so awful. How any intelligent basketball mind could ever think this offense would work is beyond me. That’s the biggest thing that needs to change. Brunk and TJD just can’t play together anymore. I know people have a love affair with Brunk, but he’s a guy who should be playing 15-20 minutes depending on TJD being in foul trouble. Archie just doesn’t get it and he’s going to die on the hill that believes this is a good offense.


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[Chris007]

2 minutes ago, LamarCheeks said:

Is that the exact timetable? ... What if they determine Dolson is the guy? I'm not saying he should or shouldn't be. But if they do, is there any chance they accelerate the timetable and by the middle or end of next month, say: "Thanks, Fred. But we're good now. You can head on out." 

Sorry I said Fred won't leave till July but it's actually May. I thought it would be the fiscal year, but it's the academic year. If Dolson is the guy then yes they could speed everything up. I don't know how fast the process will go but mostly at IU nothing is quick. 

[Chris007]

2 minutes ago, southernindianahoosier2 said:

 

Is the timing of Fred leaving because he’s forcing the university to keep Archie one more year, or was that just coincidence? I worry that if we wait, we could lose out on someone like Beard if the Texas job opens up.


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I don't think so, I think Fred wanted to stay till the end of the academic year. Which is May, not July sorry I misspoke on that earlier

[DChoosier]

9 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

Don Fisher has said two weeks in a row on Dakich that Archie's hands are tied. But as Dakich said he doesn't have to play them. He might not be able to kick them off, but he certainly doesn't have to play them. 

He does not have to play them.......Yes, that’s what I do not understand.  
We were getting absolutely smoked at Maryland, as an example, but Green was still playing at the end and getting his points.  Why not send a message and play walk-ons? At that point who cares if we lose by 20 or 35 and even if the message isn’t absorbed by Green maybe it would have sunk in with the rest of the team.

[rcbowla]

Correct but you have to remember Fred is staying till July. New AD is coming in around there so there won't be a firing July or August. People can donate what they want but Fred is not making this hire & the new AD won't be here. 

When will they actually determine the new AD though. If it's early enough he could unofficially do the deed

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[Chris007]

1 minute ago, DChoosier said:

He does not have to play them.......Yes, that’s what I do not understand.  
We were getting absolutely smoked at Maryland, as an example, but Green is still playing at the end and getting his points.  Why not send a message and play walk-ons? At that point who cares if we lose by 20 or 35 and even if the message isn’t absorbed by Green maybe it would have sunk in with the rest of the team.

That is the part that Archie has lost me on. He keeps doing the same things. Talks a big game but no changes

[Chris007]

Just now, rcs29 said:

When will they actually determine the new AD though. If it's early enough he could unofficially do the deed

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It's been very hush hush so far