Fred Glass Retiring

[AKHoosier]

18 hours ago, Old Friend said:

How?  Recruiting classes have improved if you look at national ranking; he has the best record of any IU football coach in history save Bill Mallory, and Mallory is up by .002%.   Indiana is at least as likely to to go a bowl this season as not; and we have some depth for the first time in a couple of decades.

There's no evidence to support that statement.   

We went to 2 consecutive bowl games for the first time since the early 1990s, then fired the coach.

Since then we haven't been back to a bowl game.  Haven't even beaten freakin' Purdue.  Couldn't even do it at home against a 5-6 rival when the post-season was on the line for both teams.

What does it even mean to be "at least as likely to go to a bowl game this season"?  We've gone to like 4 bowl games in 20 years.  We're never likely to go to a bowl game.

Recruiting has picked up, sure, but since when have you cared about national rankings?  I have yet to see that translate to W's.

[Old Friend]

Just now, AKHoosier said:

We went to 2 consecutive bowl games for the first time since the early 1990s, then fired the coach.

Since then we haven't been back to a bowl game.  Haven't even beaten freakin' Purdue.  Couldn't even do it at home against a 5-6 rival when the post-season was on the line for both teams.

What does it even mean to be "at least as likely to go to a bowl game this season"?  We've gone to like 4 bowl games in 20 years.  We're never likely to go to a bowl game.

Recruiting has picked up, sure, but since when have you cared about national rankings?  I have yet to see that translate to W's.

It was 2 years ago, dude.  If we go to a bowl this season, your argument is moot.   If we beat Purdue this season, your argument is moot.   It means as much that we're likely to go to a bowl this season as it does to day we haven't gone since Wilson's teams.    You just answered your own complaint.  You whined about not going to a bowl since WIlson, then accurately say we go 4 times in 20 years.   This team is a bowl team.  You can either see it or you can't.  

Are you really asking me when recruiting will translate to wins?  You expect freshmen and sophomores to translate to wins?   Come find me after Thanksgiving weekend.   

[jk34]

2 hours ago, Iugradman said:

Tom Allen’s conference record: 4-16

Basketball’s conference record the last three seasons: 24-32

IU cannot compete in the Big Ten under Fred Glass.

Care to put AD hat on and tell us who you would hire(within reason) for both programs. Not being a SA, just curious. 

[Old Friend]

2 hours ago, Iugradman said:

Tom Allen’s conference record: 4-16

Basketball’s conference record the last three seasons: 24-32

IU cannot compete in the Big Ten under Fred Glass.

The idiocy (short sighted and ignoring the broad picture for the sake of minutiae) of referencing the basketball conference record under Miller is mind numbing.   

Another serious question.  What will your opinion be when Indiana does well this season and next?   

[Alford Bailey]

11 hours ago, AKHoosier said:

We went to 2 consecutive bowl games for the first time since the early 1990s, then fired the coach.

Since then we haven't been back to a bowl game.  Haven't even beaten freakin' Purdue.  Couldn't even do it at home against a 5-6 rival when the post-season was on the line for both teams.

What does it even mean to be "at least as likely to go to a bowl game this season"?  We've gone to like 4 bowl games in 20 years.  We're never likely to go to a bowl game.

Recruiting has picked up, sure, but since when have you cared about national rankings?  I have yet to see that translate to W's.

Agreed. Recruiting has not translated to wins and is still near the bottom of the conference.

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich]

The idiocy (short sighted and ignoring the broad picture for the sake of minutiae) of referencing the basketball conference record under Miller is mind numbing.   
Another serious question.  What will your opinion be when Indiana does well this season and next?   

We have no idea what the basketball team will do and there isn’t anything that makes them better than last season. Is Green the best player Green? Because last year it was Morgan and Romeo and that’s a massive gap.


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[Walking Boot of Doom]

Agreed. Recruiting has not translated to wins and is still near the bottom of the conference.

Near the bottom of the conference...

But still the best Indiana has maybe ever had. Also top 40 ish recruiting classes which is pretty crazy that we’re still 11-12th in the B1G. I don’t have it in front of me, but pretty sure we won’t be in the top third until we’re consistently pulling in top 20 classes.


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[Alford Bailey]

4 minutes ago, Walking Boot of Doom said:

Near the bottom of the conference...

But still the best Indiana has maybe ever had. Also top 40 ish recruiting classes which is pretty crazy that we’re still 11-12th in the B1G. I don’t have it in front of me, but pretty sure we won’t be in the top third until we’re consistently pulling in top 20 classes.


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I dont expect us to top 5 in conference but we will never gain ground if we are consistently in the bottom third. Like I said before we took a step forward in recruiting but so did everyone else.

[southernindianahoosier2]

3 hours ago, jk34 said:

Care to put AD hat on and tell us who you would hire(within reason) for both programs. Not being a SA, just curious. 

I would hire Chris Beard. Have I said that enough on this site yet? haha

For football who are the next up and comers? I'd hire the hungriest of the bunch. 

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich]

Care to put AD hat on and tell us who you would hire(within reason) for both programs. Not being a SA, just curious. 

Sure why not. First person I’d contact would be Urban Meyer. Offer him 6-7 million for 5 years. If he says no, create a bs position like “Football Program Advisor” or something stupid and offer him 1-2 million to oversee the direction and help hire a coach.

Now realistically, I’d have a sit down and see what kind of identity Allen wants. Defense? Offense? Good at both? Great at one or the other? Smash mouth? High scoring? Slow or fast? If he can’t give me a good enough answer for a direction and identity of the program, then he’d be fired. Then I’d look at a short list and see if there’s any interest. And I would start at what would be considered top dogs. Steve Sarkisian(Bama OC), Pete Golding(Bama DC), Thomas Brent Venables(Clemson DC), Jeff Scott(Clemson OC), Bill Bedenbaugh(Oklahoma OC), Alex Grinch(Oklahoma DC). Then look at some used to be names like Lane Kiffin, Charlie Strong or even Chip Kelly and get some buzz with a bigger name. Then you work your way down. But you have to start with people who have been around great success because they have seen what it takes.


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[southernindianahoosier2]

https://247sports.com/college/rutgers/LongFormArticle/Rutgers-Football-Coaching-Hot-Board-Who-will-be-next-136001492/#136001492_9

Pretty good in depth list of potential football coaches... if we are putting on our AD hats. 

[mdn82]

Lmfao Urban Meyer? Jesus I want what you are smoking. At least we know how serious you are.


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[jk34]

21 minutes ago, southernindianahoosier2 said:

https://247sports.com/college/rutgers/LongFormArticle/Rutgers-Football-Coaching-Hot-Board-Who-will-be-next-136001492/#136001492_9

Pretty good in depth list of potential football coaches... if we are putting on our AD hats. 

Open the checkbook and give Richt a call

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich]

Lmfao Urban Meyer? Jesus I want what you are smoking. At least we know how serious you are.


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There’s a reason the second paragraph started with “realistic.”


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[mdn82]

There’s a reason the second paragraph started with “realistic.”

 

 

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Well they weren’t much more realistic Joe. You just listed every top paid assistant in the country waiting for the top jobs to open up. Your idea of realistic and reality are not one in the same.

 

 

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[Loaded Chicken Sandwich]

Well they weren’t much more realistic Joe. You just listed every top paid assistant in the country waiting for the top jobs to open up. Your idea of realistic and reality are not one in the same.
 
 
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You have to pay for top talent.


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[mdn82]

You have to pay for top talent.

 

 

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Ok but those listed are getting paid no matter where they go. Except they are going to Alabama, USC, Oklahoma, Florida, FSU, etc. That’s like saying your a basketball coach and Oregon St is willing to pay you $5-$6 mill per year. Well if you are Chris Beard do you take it? No you don’t and there is a reason why it doesn’t happen. There isn’t one coach on your list that would give more than 2 seconds of thought on the IU job. Realistic.

 

Edit: Maybe Charlie Strong, but no thanks.

 

 

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[Old Friend]

12 hours ago, Alford Bailey said:

I dont expect us to top 5 in conference but we will never gain ground if we are consistently in the bottom third. Like I said before we took a step forward in recruiting but so did everyone else.

The reality of our situation is we will start every season 0-3.   We'll beat Michigan and PSU once in a while, but not very often.  Despite what anyone wants, those two and OSU have 100+ years of history on their sides and million$ more than we'll ever have to spend on football.  So, to be in the middle every year, Indiana needs to go 6-0, 5-1, or 4-2 in the other games every year; AND win all 3 non-conference games.   That's absolutely why our non-conference schedule is weak....we need guaranteed wins to offset the probable losses or we'll dig ourselves a hole we can't get out of.   There just isn't any margin for error with Indiana.

Indiana is a basketball school.  Basketball drives our bus.  That's reality.  Arguing against it (not you, just making a point) does nothing to change it.

[Old Friend]

12 hours ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

We have no idea what the basketball team will do and there isn’t anything that makes them better than last season. Is Green the best player Green? Because last year it was Morgan and Romeo and that’s a massive gap.


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So you're telling me you can't see what's happening and extrapolate that into the direction of the program?  You're telling me the best you can do is look backward solely at numbers without taking circumstances into account, and base your opinions off of nothing but raw data?

And you think this season hinges on Green?   Really?   Are you really unable to see the changes in depth?  The additions to the front court which will allow everyone to play where they fit?   No offense, and I don't mean this as a personal attack, but if you truly can't see the team as constructed now vs last season, eliminate the one and done mindset and agenda, elimination of weak links, added depth and talent, the addition of Hunter, another year of experience, health, and playing kids in their best positions...you don't know what you're talking about.    

We are longer, more athletic, bigger, faster, more experienced, healthier, and deeper than a year ago.  Last season we had at least 4 players (Moore, Forrester, Fitzner, McRoberts) who were weak links in one way or another.  All are gone.  Replaced with Indiana Mr. Basketball in Davis, a versatile and athletic Franklin, who I have seen enough to tell you is a very good player; Joey Brunk who's an experienced big who gives Indiana something they sorely lacked a year ago; and Hunter who was Mr. Basketball in Ohio two years ago.  

You're telling me you can't make that connection?    I don't buy it.  I think you're choosing not to.

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich]

Ok but those listed are getting paid no matter where they go. Except they are going to Alabama, USC, Oklahoma, Florida, FSU, etc. That’s like saying your a basketball coach and Oregon St is willing to pay you $5-$6 mill per year. Well if you are Chris Beard do you take it? No you don’t and there is a reason why it doesn’t happen. There isn’t one coach on your list that would give more than 2 seconds of thought on the IU job. Realistic. 
Edit: Maybe Charlie Strong, but no thanks.
 
 
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Well Beard did go to Texas Tech. And let’s not act like Texas Tech was anything before him. If you hire one of those coordinators, and then they move on to Michigan or USC or something, likely means Indiana was winning.


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