Beilein has agreed to a 5 year deal with the Cavs

[HoosierHoops1]

2 hours ago, Alford Bailey said:

We are about to see bad Michigan basketball for a while.

Works for me!

[Capt. Crimson]

19 hours ago, Feathery said:

Ironically, they had a Billy Donovan sighting at a Ann Arbor restaurant, with a realtor.  He wasn’t looking for a horse farm, so it wasn’t true. Lol. 

What happened here is that Kent Sterling (Indy radio guy) made the joke on Twitter in reference to our coaching search and people took him as serious because a lot of people from outside Indy have no idea who he is... They just saw a guy with a blue checkmark next to his name and took him at his word... lol

[8bucks]

What happened here is that Kent Sterling (Indy radio guy) made the joke on Twitter in reference to our coaching search and people took him as serious because a lot of people from outside Indy have no idea who he is... They just saw a guy with a blue checkmark next to his name and took him at his word... lol

Is that how it all started? I used to listen to Kent on the radio some back then and had never heard he was part of the source on this. I could see that being true but could also see that he was passing on bad information that he felt was accurate. Was he just the source on being in town looking at horse ranches or that we were talking to him as a candidate



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[Capt. Crimson]

Is that how it all started? I used to listen to Kent on the radio some back then and had never heard he was part of the source on this. I could see that being true but could also see that he was passing on bad information that he felt was accurate. Was he just the source on being in town looking at horse ranches or that we were talking to him as a candidate



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I’m only talking about his tweet about Donovan at Michigan.


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[LamarCheeks]

Apparently, according to 247Sports, neither Stevens nor Donovan are interested. That's not surprising to me. The Detroit paper had an update saying Juwan Howard and LaVall Jordan are included on the Michigan AD's list. It also mentions there's been a lot of speculation on Shaka Smart. Also said Ed Cooley is a likely candidate. 

Interesting about Smart. Coaches seem to do very well at Virginia Commonwealth, but not so much when they move to a Power 5 school. Jeff Capel was great at VCU; fired at Oklahoma. Anthony Grant was great at VCU; fired at Alabama. Shaka Smart was great at VCU; still at Texas, but has been relatively mediocre. Will Wade was great at VCU; is in trouble because he's a cheating dog at LSU.  

Also, Jalen Wilson -- 6-8 four-star small forward from Denton, Texas -- asked Michigan to be released from his LOI. 247sports says he's a  "big perimeter prospect that possesses shooting ability and skill." ... We apparently weren't in on him in his initial recruiting (before signing with Michigan, his other schools listed on that website were Kansas, Baylor, Oklahoma State and Arizona State). ... Hoping Archie at least takes a look. 

 

[Brass Cannon]

11 minutes ago, LamarCheeks said:

Apparently, according to 247Sports, neither Stevens nor Donovan are interested. That's not surprising to me. The Detroit paper had an update saying Juwan Howard and LaVall Jordan are included on the Michigan AD's list. It also mentions there's been a lot of speculation on Shaka Smart. Also said Ed Cooley is a likely candidate. 

Interesting about Smart. Coaches seem to do very well at Virginia Commonwealth, but not so much when they move to a Power 5 school. Jeff Capel was great at VCU; fired at Oklahoma. Anthony Grant was great at VCU; fired at Alabama. Shaka Smart was great at VCU; still at Texas, but has been relatively mediocre. Will Wade was great at VCU; is in trouble because he's a cheating dog at LSU.  

Also, Jalen Wilson -- 6-8 four-star small forward from Denton, Texas -- asked Michigan to be released from his LOI. 247sports says he's a  "big perimeter prospect that possesses shooting ability and skill." ... We apparently weren't in on him in his initial recruiting (before signing with Michigan, his other schools listed on that website were Kansas, Baylor, Oklahoma State and Arizona State). ... Hoping Archie at least takes a look. 

 

Gotta at least put out feelers to the kid. Obviously not dirty going to Michigan and doesn’t mind the Midwest 

[schoosier]

On 5/15/2019 at 9:43 PM, Alford Bailey said:

We are about to see bad Michigan basketball for a while.

I would be happy with that as well as them not poaching some of our best talent. Michigan St will take a big drop also when Izzo hangs it up also. If Archie can get it rolling we are poised to have a great decade hopefully.

[Honkyman]

I wouldn't count on Michigan dropping down much. They have a great tradition and I suspect they will hire a good coach--maybe not as good as Beilein but someone who can recruit. Izzo isn't going anywhere for at least another five years. Meanwhile, IU can't even find suitable players to fill their available scholarships.

[pumpfake]

1 hour ago, schoosier said:

I would be happy with that as well as them not poaching some of our best talent. Michigan St will take a big drop also when Izzo hangs it up also. If Archie can get it rolling we are poised to have a great decade hopefully.

r.e. MSU: It's something I've thought for quite a while, that the top schools with long-time coaches will likely take a big hit.  It is more of the rule than exception it seems to me.  Fans always clamor for the grand slam hire, but those rarely ever occur.  There's only so many coaches that fit the bill and usually they're already at top programs and would be very unlikely to jump.  Heck, we look at the team in Lexington and they were rebuffed by Donovan (the clear fan favorite).  Unless a team can lure a top name alumni coach, they will almost always go through a coach or two before finding their guy and odds aren't great he'll be HOF material.

I think with Beilein it's a case of wanting to coach - not spend much of your time recruiting players and then having to deal with being hamstrung by the stupid NBA draft rules.  It's why I don't think guys like Donovan or Stevens would want to get back in college coaching, at least if they're given a choice.

[Feathery]

2 minutes ago, pumpfake said:

r.e. MSU: It's something I've thought for quite a while, that the top schools with long-time coaches will likely take a big hit.  It is more of the rule than exception it seems to me.  Fans always clamor for the grand slam hire, but those rarely ever occur.  There's only so many coaches that fit the bill and usually they're already at top programs and would be very unlikely to jump.  Heck, we look at the team in Lexington and they were rebuffed by Donovan (the clear fan favorite).  Unless a team can lure a top name alumni coach, they will almost always go through a coach or two before finding their guy and odds aren't great he'll be HOF material.

I think with Beilein it's a case of wanting to coach - not spend much of your time recruiting players and then having to deal with being hamstrung by the stupid NBA draft rules.  It's why I don't think guys like Donovan or Stevens would want to get back in college coaching, at least if they're given a choice.

Stevens and Donovan will be NBA guys for the rest of their careers. If they get fired, another NBA franchise will snap them up quickly, or they can retire with the fortunes they have already made. 

Brad Stevens was actually encouraging Beilien to go the NBA. Selling him on how much better coaching in the NBA is over the NCAA. If anyone was still holding out hope for Stevens to return to college, it’s not happening. 

[LamarCheeks]

23 minutes ago, Feathery said:

Stevens and Donovan will be NBA guys for the rest of their careers. If they get fired, another NBA franchise will snap them up quickly, or they can retire with the fortunes they have already made. 

Brad Stevens was actually encouraging Beilien to go the NBA. Selling him on how much better coaching in the NBA is over the NCAA. If anyone was still holding out hope for Stevens to return to college, it’s not happening. 

Exactly. ... Those guys are pretty good at what they do and how many mediocre coaches have we seen recycled again and again in the Association? ... Except for rare occasions -- Popovich, Sloan (when he was coaching) -- it seems as if many NBA coaches end up having worked for 3-4 teams before they hang up the whistle and clipboard. ... TBH, I think I'd actually rather coach 18-22 year-olds than headstrong dudes making millions, but I sure wouldn't want to have to travel all over the country begging those kids to play for me. 

[WayneFleekHoosier]

Apparently Juwan Howard getting consideration now.

Seeing how Penny has done with recruiting and Michigan’s penchant for doing what it takes to win.

That hire would at minimum lead to stellar recruiting classes imo.


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[LamarCheeks]

A Michigan fan site claims the final four are Juwan Howard, Ed Cooley, LaVall Jordan and Shaka Smart. 

[BtownBanner6]

Apparently Juwan Howard getting consideration now.

Seeing how Penny has done with recruiting and Michigan’s penchant for doing what it takes to win.

That hire would at minimum lead to stellar recruiting classes imo.


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I’m not saying it wouldn’t lead to that if they’re playing the game, but I’d give Penny some credit on him just being who he was probably does attract some kids but Juwan Howard doesn’t have that type of popularity. I feel like kids today don’t even really pay attention to the fab 5 past Webber and Rose


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[8bucks]

Stevens and Donovan will be NBA guys for the rest of their careers. If they get fired, another NBA franchise will snap them up quickly, or they can retire with the fortunes they have already made. 
Brad Stevens was actually encouraging Beilien to go the NBA. Selling him on how much better coaching in the NBA is over the NCAA. If anyone was still holding out hope for Stevens to return to college, it’s not happening. 

Where did you see that about Stevens? I know he liked having his summers off for family reasons but your comment adds more to the idea he is staying in the NBA.


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[mdn82]

I’m not saying it wouldn’t lead to that if they’re playing the game, but I’d give Penny some credit on him just being who he was probably does attract some kids but Juwan Howard doesn’t have that type of popularity. I feel like kids today don’t even really pay attention to the fab 5 past Webber and Rose


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Plus a lot of kids saw Penny during AAU. Not saying Juwan wouldn’t do good, but I am not sure he does as good as Penny. Penny being around AAU knew how to play for certain kids. He had those connections before being a coach.


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[Feathery]

1 hour ago, 8bucks said:

Where did you see that about Stevens? I know he liked having his summers off for family reasons but your comment adds more to the idea he is staying in the NBA.


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Sam Webb, Michigan Insider/247/radio host, talked about it on his radio show earlier this week. 

[Honkyman]

Juwan Howard would recruit well because Michigan has a great recruiting base. Michigan coaches even before Beilein have been especially successful recruiting in Detroit and throughout Michigan which have produced many very good players. They have also had success in Ohio, Chicago, and Northern Indiana. Michigan is a great brand. It is one of the few schools where the football and basketball programs are highly successful and respected.The question for Howard is the same as any former NBA player. Do they really want the lifestyle of a college coach? NBA coaches get some time off in the summer. College coaches rarely get any time off. The lifestyle is awful though you are the king of a small kingdom.

[LamarCheeks]

Ed Cooley is out. ... I always wonder in situations like this, when a coach "withdraws from consideration" -- did the interview not go well, and the school decides they weren't interested, so to save face, he says he's pulling out of the search. Or did he truly not feel comfortable with the school? ... Like when after Crean was fired and our search progressed, and it was became pretty clear Alford wasn't gonna get it, he goes on national TV and says he doesn't want the IU job. When you know you're not gonna get it, it makes it easier to say you don't want it! 

Either way, looks as if Juwan Howard is the front-runner now. 
 

 

[Feathery]

Looks like it will be Juwan Howard.