The Season Is Finally Over, Now Where Does This Program Go?

[Bailey7878]

After pondering the meaning..... of IU basketball the past couple days, and much discussion with IU buds....
I think having a one and done this year was actually a set back. I don't think I want another one and done until we develop a solid base of kids in the system. i'd be ok with 3 one and dones at the same time though :-)
at minimum, we need strong leadership next season. not sure who that will be. 

Ok but what do you fo when the next ine and done from southern indiana comes around? Just ignore him.

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[TXHoosierDaddy]

4 minutes ago, brumdog45 said:

I think we all were fine at the time when he was brought in.  He was supposed to help fill a need.....you don't shoot 40% from three for three straight seasons by accident.  And while his shooting percentage could have been expected to fall a little bit, the drop he had surely wasn't.  By the end of the year, teams were giving him that   And he had played in two NCAA games and five NIT games coming in....that kind of experience should have been helpful.

I guess I don't get the criticism in hindsight.  I don't recall much criticism when he committed.  It was a free scholarship for one year going to a guy who was supposed to fit a role.  It didn't work out, but I don't think we were predicting what we got.

Numbers can be misleading. People were excited solely based on that without ever seeing the kid play. Kid clearly couldn't play in the Big 10. He just couldn't. I am not even talking shooting. He was a good spot up shooter. But he couldn't guard, rebound, dribble or do anything near the post. It was a miss. We move on but Archie needs to hit on the next one as I wouldn't be surprised if we explore this market again and we surely have some needs to fill still. 

[Brass Cannon]

23 minutes ago, TXHoosierDaddy said:

Numbers can be misleading. People were excited solely based on that without ever seeing the kid play. Kid clearly couldn't play in the Big 10. He just couldn't. I am not even talking shooting. He was a good spot up shooter. But he couldn't guard, rebound, dribble or do anything near the post. It was a miss. We move on but Archie needs to hit on the next one as I wouldn't be surprised if we explore this market again and we surely have some needs to fill still. 

He was bricking wide open 3s as well. 

[Southside]

31 minutes ago, Bailey7878 said:

Ok but what do you fo when the next ine and done from southern indiana comes around? Just ignore him.

 

1 hour ago, southernindianahoosier2 said:

Not that I’m disagreeing with your point. But imagine a top 10 pick one and done going to any other Big10 school and someone from that fan base saying what you just said.

 

If I were the coach, I'd have to take him. As a fan, I'd want a guy that's going to be around.

Unfortunately we didn't have a good base that could utilize a one and done this year. it just hurt our development and perhaps our locker room. it didn't help either with the perceived personality that RL had. 

 

[RaceToTheTop]

10 minutes ago, Brass Cannon said:

He was bricking wide open 3s as well. 

But that's my point....there was no reason to believe that he would have done that.  There was literally nothing that would have lead you to believe the one thing he was very good at that he would stop doing.

[RaceToTheTop]

40 minutes ago, Bailey7878 said:

Ok but what do you fo when the next ine and done from southern indiana comes around? Just ignore him.

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Seems like a lot of guys were pretty bummed about Keion Brooks going to Kentucky with visions of being a one and done.  And if TJD were to somehow play well enough to be a OAD....should we have ignored him?

[Bailey7878]

Seems like a lot of guys were pretty bummed about Keion Brooks going to Kentucky with visions of being a one and done.  And if TJD were to somehow play well enough to be a OAD....should we have ignored him?

No not according to me. I wanted brooks bad.

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[HoosierAloha]

I understand the point you are making.....but when those 2 more scholarships are going to players like Bawa Muniru, Peter Jurkin, Jeremiah April, Tim Priller, Gelon Grant.....I'm not sure you can't really spot talent.  I think the two guys whose talent exceeded expectations were Oladipo and Anunoby.  And Anunoby really didn't get a chance to showcase anything because of how short he was here and injury.

Agreed, if coach A only gets 5 chances to find that diamond in the rough and coach C gets 20 who is more likely to find those few players.

Crean missed 5 for everyone he hit on, maybe more.


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[HoosierAloha]

If you have already built your culture and you have upperclassmen leading the program it’s much easier to bring in a one and done. I don’t think Romeo was our last OAD but I hope it’s our last that ends the way it did this season.


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[Bailey7878]

If you have already built your culture and you have upperclassmen leading the program it’s much easier to bring in a one and done. I don’t think Romeo was our last OAD but I hope it’s our last that ends the way it did this season.


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I often wonder if we should have hired an iu guy after knight. Now not sure who it would have been but izzo and painter were already part of the culture. It seems we had a few iu guys as assistants but really not many and have none now. Who knows.

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[Feathery]

7 hours ago, Brass Cannon said:

No system works without consistent effort 

Correct. This is where having players who aren’t soft, who are mentally tough, and play with an edge are key. He is changing a culture, that takes time. 

[Brass Cannon]

1 hour ago, Feathery said:

Correct. This is where having players who aren’t soft, who are mentally tough, and play with an edge are key. He is changing a culture, that takes time. 

Except all the times it doesn’t. OSU and Louisville for example

[Honkyman]

IMO, it is worth having Peter Jerkin (who started and averaged 7.5 points his senior year at East Tennessee State), Jeremiah April, and Tim Priller sitting at the end of the bench if it means IU also brings in a Victor Oladipo or an OG Anunoby. What difference does it make whether it is Peter Jerkin sitting at the end of the bench or Jake Forrester? Coach Knight used to always recruit players who sat on the bench (except when he wanted to teach a rotation player a lesson). Some of them became role players by the end of their time at IU--but not all of them. Crean is no longer the problem at IU and nobody should be blaming him for players he recruited who are still on the team. I hope we can focus on next year rather than 3-4 years ago.

[Capt. Crimson]

For the record, his name was Grant Gelon. Not Gelon Grant. Lol


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[Brass Cannon]

19 minutes ago, Honkyman said:

IMO, it is worth having Peter Jerkin (who started and averaged 7.5 points his senior year at East Tennessee State), Jeremiah April, and Tim Priller sitting at the end of the bench if it means IU also brings in a Victor Oladipo or an OG Anunoby. What difference does it make whether it is Peter Jerkin sitting at the end of the bench or Jake Forrester? Coach Knight used to always recruit players who sat on the bench (except when he wanted to teach a rotation player a lesson). Some of them became role players by the end of their time at IU--but not all of them. Crean is no longer the problem at IU and nobody should be blaming him for players he recruited who are still on the team. I hope we can focus on next year rather than 3-4 years ago.

Jake was a 4 star recruit who happened to be a freshmen(not sure what people aren’t getting about that). April, Priller, Gelon and So many more were evaluated a Division 2 players and either never did or never were going to contribute. Big difference. Your bench warmers should always be young players who grow into a contributors 

[Joe DeLow]

Jake was a 4 star recruit who happened to be a freshmen(not sure what people aren’t getting about that). April, Priller, Gelon and So many more were evaluated a Division 2 players and either never did or never were going to contribute. Big difference. Your bench warmers should always be young players who grow into a contributors 

Jake was a 3 star according to the 247composite. Archie’s first class was #7 Romeo(5*), #59 Jerome Hunter(4*), #125 Damezi Anderson(4*), #136 Rob Phinisee(4*), #148 Jake Forrester(3*)


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[Honkyman]

You obviously miss the point.  I would take a Victor Oladipo and an OG Anunoby any day if the price is Peter Jerkin or any of the others mentioned.  Crean's approach of recruiting "diamonds in the rough" brought a couple of great players to IU who helped IU win Big 10 Championships and get to the Sweet 16.  That approach also brought in some guys who rarely played. I have no problem with that.  As I said, Bobby Knight recruited guys who almost never got up from the end of the bench and watched while the regular players won three national championships. It's time to get over Tom Crean who is now gone for two years and focus on how to make the current program competitive again for conference championships and getting into the NCAA Tournament.

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[Brass Cannon]

11 minutes ago, Honkyman said:

You obviously miss the point.  I would take a Victor Oladipo and an OG Anunoby any day if the price is Peter Jerkin or any of the others mentioned.  Crean's approach of recruiting "diamonds in the rough" brought a couple of great players to IU who helped IU win Big 10 Championships and get to the Sweet 16.  That approach also brought in some guys who rarely played. I have no problem with that.  As I said, Bobby Knight recruited guys who almost never got up from the end of the bench and watched while the regular players won three national championships. It's time to get over Tom Crean who is now gone for two years and focus on how to make the current program competitive again for conference championships and getting into the NCAA Tournament.

I didn’t miss the point it’s just silly. You can’t use 4 roster spots hoping a 3 star is going to be a Victor Oladipo. It’s poor roster construction. 

Continually Having guys on your bench who will never contribute doesn’t work unless your are doing what Kentucky and Duke do. 

[Joe DeLow]

I didn’t miss the point it’s just silly. You can’t use 4 roster spots hoping a 3 star is going to be a Victor Oladipo. It’s poor roster construction. 
Continually Having guys on your bench who will never contribute doesn’t work unless your are doing what Kentucky and Duke do. 

It definitely screwed us over multiple times. You gotta go get the best. You can’t have guys who can’t even compete in practice.


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[Honkyman]

Priller and the rest are so completely beside the point of anything to do with anything related to the success or lack of success in IU basketball. Indiana won Big Ten Championship with players like those you mentioned sitting on the bench (and there were never 4 Prillers on the bench at any one time). Crean recruited McDonald's All Americans (Zeller, Ferrell, Blackmon, and Vonleah), 4 stars, and yes some diamonds in the rough like Oladipo and Anunoby. Some of those diamonds in the rough didn't work out. But having those guys on the bench had zero impact on IU's performance. Some fans seem to hang on to Tim Priller and others who left the building long ago as a way to avoid to discussing the reality of today. It strikes me as odd. I can only suggest you get over it and focus on what IU basketball should be in the future.