So some concerns I’m having...

[HoosierAloha]

The one thing about Al is I hope going forward he is more vocal and more assertive. We need energy and he is the one player in UM game in that small stretch where started going at others. We need someone to challenge them other than the coaches. Usually it’s your point guard or star player. We don’t have that luxury this year. No upper classmen will listen to a freshman in that regard.


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Al can definitely be a starting point but we need it from more than just Al. I’d like to see Phin become more assertive, as well. Next year will be interesting, our upperclassmen will be Green and Davis, if they’re still playing or around, Durham, Smith, and Moore. Al and Phin could definitely step into leadership roles among those players.

Right or wrong, I don’t see Green’s attitude changing. Davis has been riddled with injury and hasn’t played much. Moore is a role player seeing very few minutes. Smith seems to be the type influenced by those around him. Al taking on a bulldog mentality could help a lot. Phin stepping up and taking the reigns with Morgan and Romeo gone could speed things along too.

I said a few years ago the team would either take on the mentality Hartman and a few others or be led by Troy and a few others. One would lead to a good season and the other not so much. We all know how that turned out. I think it’s almost as important for Al and a Phin to take over the team this summer as it was back then. Smith needs to jump on board.


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[TheWatShot]

3 hours ago, southernindianahoosier2 said:

lol Didn't Crean pull Matt Roth's Scholarship in favor of Jurkin? I was a senior at the time and thought it was dumb to pull Roth's Scholarship, but my friends insisted it would be better overall for the team to bring on a freshman that can contribute for four years than it was to waste it for one year on Roth.. Hindsight is 20/20 in his case. Would have loved his shooting against the Syracuse Zone. 

I think we still would have been over the limit if Ron Patterson had passed his summer school classes. Man, Crean's roster management was brutal.

[Rico]

13 minutes ago, TheWatShot said:

I think we still would have been over the limit if Ron Patterson had passed his summer school classes. Man, Crean's roster management was brutal.

You are right, I have no idea what FCTC was thinking.

[Class of '66 Old Fart]

10 hours ago, Josh said:

I'm frustrated at this team, this program.  I'm frustrated at this fanbase. 

Frustration would be an understatement but I'm not sure what a better word would be.  Clearly the season thus far has not gone the way that was expected.  It's not just the losses but how we've played in those losses.  I can't fathom any IU fan who isn't feeling frustration and even anger.  

[yogisballin]

I went back and watched the first half of the Michigan game. Why Damezi, Moore and Jake isn’t even getting a shot is beyond me. Yeah, I know defense is their weakness. I get it. But have you watched our starting 5 on defense lately? Romeo and Juwan aren’t that much better. Looks like pine time would be a motivation for some. This may not be a tool CAM likes to use though?


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[TheWatShot]

46 minutes ago, yogisballin said:

I went back and watched the first half of the Michigan game. Why Damezi, Moore and Jake isn’t even getting a shot is beyond me. Yeah, I know defense is their weakness. I get it. But have you watched our starting 5 on defense lately? Romeo and Juwan aren’t that much better. Looks like pine time would be a motivation for some. This may not be a tool CAM likes to use though?


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Because the Golden Child a.k.a. Zach McRoberts needs his minutes. Archie Miller is not going to stop playing Zach McRoberts. I've just accepted it for what it is.

[DChoosier]

57 minutes ago, yogisballin said:

I went back and watched the first half of the Michigan game. Why Damezi, Moore and Jake isn’t even getting a shot is beyond me. Yeah, I know defense is their weakness. I get it. But have you watched our starting 5 on defense lately? Romeo and Juwan aren’t that much better. Looks like pine time would be a motivation for some. This may not be a tool CAM likes to use though?


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Earlier in the season I was not in the “why aren’t Moore or Jake playing” camp as I figured Archie had his reasons due to how they practiced etc. Recently, however, I have joined the “play-them” camp as the team has failed to give 40 (or 20) minutes of effort game after game after game.  I think we were down 20 or so with 5 minutes to go and he still played McBob etc instead of giving those guys a few minutes. I don’t get it.  You would have also thought he would have given them a few minutes in the first half just to let the starters know he was pissed that they decided to sleep-walk again at the start of the game.

[JSHoosier]

Moore/Forrester can't get minutes over a scrub like Fitzner even during a blowout.  Do they look Peter Jurkin level bad during practice or what?

[Bailey7878]

Moore/Forrester can't get minutes over a scrub like Fitzner even during a blowout.  Do they look Peter Jurkin level bad during practice or what?

I know not getting minutes over fitzner is not a goo thing imo.

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[Bowhunter]

I think AL Durham could be on the good side of Crean’s lower rated recruits. Just because there were Tijan, Jurkin, Minuri type projects, doesn’t mean Durham couldn’t turn into a success story like some of Crean’s diamonds. I’m not giving up on him because he does have skill and gives the effort. I can see him being a big part of our team going forward.

 

 

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[JSHoosier]

1 minute ago, Bowhunter said:

I think AL Durham could be on the good side of Crean’s lower rated recruits. Just because there were Tijan, Jurkin, Minuri type projects, doesn’t mean Durham couldn’t turn into a success story like Some of Crean’s


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Somehow I'd forgotten about Muniru.  Ugh.  Went hard after Moses Abraham too.

[mdn82]

Somehow I'd forgotten about Muniru.  Ugh.  Went hard after Moses Abraham too.

Moses might as well have been named Jesus on Scout at that time. I would have hated it if he actually came here the way people projected him.


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[JSHoosier]

4 minutes ago, mdn82 said:

Moses might as well have been named Jesus on Scout at that time. I would have hated it if he actually came here the way people projected him.


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A digital candlelight vigil.  Bad times.

[AZ Hoosier]

Somehow I'd forgotten about Muniru.  Ugh.  Went hard after Moses Abraham too.

Wasn’t Guy Marc Michel a Crean ‘miss’, too? He loved himself some long, tall misses.

[JSHoosier]

4 minutes ago, AZ Hoosier said:

 

Wasn’t Guy Marc Michel a Crean ‘miss’, too? He loved himself some long, tall misses.

 

I didn't include him because he was ruled ineligible, but yes.  Crean loved project bigs, even though he couldn't develop them to save his life.

[yogisballin]

I know not getting minutes over fitzner is not a goo thing imo.

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NEVER a good thing. Is his sister that good at volleyball or something? Want to make sure she keeps to her commitment


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[ap2345]

NEVER a good thing. Is his sister that good at volleyball or something? Want to make sure she keeps to her commitment


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She’s a top 50 recruit nationally but she’s already signed so that’s not an issue.


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[Bailey7878]

I didn't include him because he was ruled ineligible, but yes.  Crean loved project bigs, even though he couldn't develop them to save his life.

But he was really talked up even though he averaged like 4 and 3 in jc. Thats no joke.

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[JSHoosier]

1 hour ago, Bailey7878 said:

But he was really talked up even though he averaged like 4 and 3 in jc. Thats no joke.

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I know.  And the aforementioned Moses Abraham went on to average less than 2 pts and 1 rebound per game, although he did eventually end up in the B1G.

[DChoosier]

4 hours ago, Bowhunter said:

I think AL Durham could be on the good side of Crean’s lower rated recruits. 

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I think Al is a quintessential four year player for those that want the roster to be a combo of four year players and one/two year 5 stars. He seems like a great guy, emotionally invested, cares about winning, plays as hard or harder than his teammates and has worked a lot on the areas of his game (ie shooting) that needed improvement. Hope he continues to improve and has a great career.