Evan Fitzner to IU

[HoosierAloha]

He still have to guard someone. Scheme wise that's irrelevant from the offensive end to the defensive. He can't guard Morgan.. he'd struggle with Smith. Fitzner would stretch him out too much 

And they would have to guard him too. Would any of them be able to stop him? He might not be able to guard those players but you could sag him off of McRoberts to clog the lane. Heck, you could sag him off Morgan or Smith and help from the side. There are ways to scheme it. In Archie's system it doesn't work.


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[Bailey7878]

Oh my goodness! I remember my dad going crazy (and not in a good way) when Mandeville and Eggers were in the game. I honest to goodness forgot all about Robbie Eggers lol. I know this is off topic but if I remember correctly, wasn’t Mandeville pretty highly sought after?


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Yes Mandeville made like top 20 at nike camp and ended up being a bust. Eggers was just awful.

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[MikeRoberts]

He still have to guard someone. Scheme wise that's irrelevant from the offensive end to the defensive. He can't guard Morgan.. he'd struggle with Smith. Fitzner would stretch him out too much 

in a lineup where we roll out Morgan and Smith as our 4 and 5 we will get eaten alive by a good post player like haas, biggie, Davis etc as there isn’t anyone that can defend the post

All about the scheme and how you hide deficiencies, not Team is going to have everything covered


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[CSP]

1 hour ago, HoosierAloha said:

And they would have to guard him too. Would any of them be able to stop him? He might not be able to guard those players but you could sag him off of McRoberts to clog the lane. Heck, you could sag him off Morgan or Smith and help from the side. There are ways to scheme it. In Archie's system it doesn't work.


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 They would guard him significantly better then he could guard them. 

[CSP]

54 minutes ago, MikeRoberts said:

in a lineup where we roll out Morgan and Smith as our 4 and 5 we will get eaten alive by a good post player like haas, biggie, Davis etc as there isn’t anyone that can defend the post

All about the scheme and how you hide deficiencies, not Team is going to have everything covered


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 Davis is not comparable to those two. I'm honestly not worried at all about defending the lost with Smith and Morgan starting. A lot more worried about devonte. 

[BGleas]

57 minutes ago, MikeRoberts said:

in a lineup where we roll out Morgan and Smith as our 4 and 5 we will get eaten alive by a good post player like haas, biggie, Davis etc as there isn’t anyone that can defend the post

All about the scheme and how you hide deficiencies, not Team is going to have everything covered


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Yes, there are outlier teams that still play traditional bigs, but they’re much less common. I’m watching the NBA playoffs and I’m not sure there’s a single traditional, post-up big on any team still playing. 

Look at the Final Four, I think Kansas was the only team with a traditional big and Villanova exploited the heck out him with Spellman playing the perimeter bombing threes. Kansas’ big couldn’t get out on him and Spellman exploited it so much  

I don’t think Davis, even pre-injury, is good enough to warrant Archie changing the system. Davis and Morgan also just aren’t a good match, unless Morgan can significantly increase his 3-pt percentage. Morgan is best when operating in the paint, and having Davis there clogs everything for him. 

[MikeRoberts]

Yes, there are outlier teams that still play traditional bigs, but they’re much less common. I’m watching the NBA playoffs and I’m not sure there’s a single traditional, post-up big on any team still playing. 
Look at the Final Four, I think Kansas was the only team with a traditional big and Villanova exploited the heck out him with Spellman playing the perimeter bombing threes. Kansas’ big couldn’t get out on him and Spellman exploited it so much  
I don’t think Davis, even pre-injury, is good enough to warrant Archie changing the system. Davis and Morgan also just aren’t a good match, unless Morgan can significantly increase his 3-pt percentage. Morgan is best when operating in the paint, and having Davis there clogs everything for him. 

It was just a year ago we watched two monsters hold down the middle in the championship game karnowski vs meeks. Those guys created fits for teams that did not have a big that could defend them and their coaches were smart enough to know how to use them properly

All about schemes and players understanding their roles. these types of players are still relevant and impactful in the game, more so college but that is what we are talking about


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[HoosierAloha]

 They would guard him significantly better then he could guard them. 

None of those guys are going to stop him 1v1. Bring a double and he can kick it to a shooter. You can sag off on ball screens and help from weakside with Davis as your big. It's not perfect but it can work, especially if you have a wing like McRoberts that Davis could defend.

I agree that the game has moved away from a traditional plodding, back to the basket, big. However, if Morgan is our primary 5 for the entire season we'll struggle.


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[Brass Cannon]

3 minutes ago, HoosierAloha said:

None of those guys are going to stop him 1v1. Bring a double and he can kick it to a shooter. You can sag off on ball screens and help from weakside with Davis as your big. It's not perfect but it can work, especially if you have a wing like McRoberts that Davis could defend.

I agree that the game has moved away from a traditional plodding, back to the basket, big. However, if Morgan is our primary 5 for the entire season we'll struggle.


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One reason why i Fitzner might have a chance. Fills a key need on both sides of the ball. Nobody can fill both those needs

[CSP]

21 minutes ago, HoosierAloha said:

None of those guys are going to stop him 1v1. Bring a double and he can kick it to a shooter. You can sag off on ball screens and help from weakside with Davis as your big. It's not perfect but it can work, especially if you have a wing like McRoberts that Davis could defend.

I agree that the game has moved away from a traditional plodding, back to the basket, big. However, if Morgan is our primary 5 for the entire season we'll struggle.


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I don't think we'll struggle at all. You're way over selling Davis. McRoberts can still shoot so idk what you keep bringing him up for? Also.. do any good teams have players you can just sag off? 

And honestly I really don't care what other teams Davis would work with. He doesn't for us. 

No one will ever double Davis. No need. He can't beat those 3 1v1 regularly. Just not good enough. 

[MikeRoberts]

I don't think we'll struggle at all. You're way over selling Davis. McRoberts can still shoot so idk what you keep bringing him up for? Also.. do any good teams have players you can just sag off? 
And honestly I really don't care what other teams Davis would work with. He doesn't for us. 
No one will ever double Davis. No need. He can't beat those 3 1v1 regularly. Just not good enough. 

He did just fine against Duke, in fact one could argue he was the most impactful player on the court. He has all the tools when healthy to be force. He played hurt for a while and then sat out the rest of his sophomore season. He is young and been injured...


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[ebridges24]

Yes Mandeville made like top 20 at nike camp and ended up being a bust. Eggers was just awful.

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They were as brutally bad as you are brutally honest.

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[CSP]

10 minutes ago, MikeRoberts said:

He did just fine against Duke, in fact one could argue he was the most impactful player on the court. He has all the tools when healthy to be force. He played hurt for a while and then sat out the rest of his sophomore season. He is young and been injured...


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One game. IPFW and ISU he could barely play because of the style of play. One solid game does nothing for me. 

[CSP]

I'm not a fan of his game or his value to our team. I am a fan of Fitzners game and his value to our team. 

[RaceToTheTop]

I think people are being waaaaayyyyy too polarizing on Davis.  

[RaceToTheTop]

33 minutes ago, btownqb said:

One game. IPFW and ISU he could barely play because of the style of play. One solid game does nothing for me. 

He was fine against Iowa and Louisville.  There are good matchups and bad for him.

[biteoftheapple]

I am a Hoosier fan. I want the best team onthe floor. If Davis is healthy he will give us good days...and bad ones. With Fizner, I just dont know. But my confidence is not high.

 

 

[HoosierAloha]

9 minutes ago, brumdog45 said:

I think people are being waaaaayyyyy too polarizing on Davis.  

Agreed, it takes many pieces in most cases.  Davis is another asset that can help win games.  I don't think we'll see players like him at IU again under Archie but if you have them why not use them. 

My concern more is Morgan making it through an entire season as the primary 5.  He hasn't had to do that and wore down last season as the 4.  Langford and more talent around him will help but we'll need someone to take on bigger teams bigs. 

[BtownBanner6]

One game. IPFW and ISU he could barely play because of the style of play. One solid game does nothing for me. 

I would blame that on defense of our guards rather than him. If we don't get behind that quick we don't have to try to shoot our way out of it. If we are as good as we should be then we need to make other teams switch to our style and pace not the other way around.


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[CSP]

45 minutes ago, BtownBanner6 said:

I would blame that on defense of our guards rather than him. If we don't get behind that quick we don't have to try to shoot our way out of it. If we are as good as we should be then we need to make other teams switch to our style and pace not the other way around.


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We don't want to play at a slow pace either. If we did, I can promise we wouldn't have gotten Romeo. Pace and space people.