Race Thompson/DDavis

[Feathery 4,005]

I do think Race is going to be big for us next year. im Very happy that he is already on campus and in good shape. 

[MikeRoberts 7,211]

I do think Race is going to be big for us next year. im Very happy that he is already on campus and in good shape. 

What is he though? He looks to be a skinny 6'7" when standing next to Davis.


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[Feathery 4,005]

5 hours ago, MikeRoberts said:

What is he though? He looks to be a skinny 6'7" when standing next to Davis.


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I think he is a 4. That is big enough for the college game. DJ White was that size and dominated. Not saying Race is as good as White. 

[incrediboy 926]

On 1/2/2018 at 10:09 PM, AKHoosier said:

I've always been high on De'Ron but it's becoming clearer and clearer that he's not who I thought he'd be.

It looked like he'd come in and be a shot blocking machine while averaging well over 10 ppg.  

He's just so unathletic.

He's NOT unathletic. He has great soft hands, and when he wants to, he can turn on the speed. His vertical is decent, too...when he exerts himself. He lacks moxie, which may have rubbed off on him from some of the rest of the ragamuffins or might be his natural tendency. 

[MikeRoberts 7,211]

He's NOT unathletic. He has great soft hands, and when he wants to, he can turn on the speed. His vertical is decent, too...when he exerts himself. He lacks moxie, which may have rubbed off on him from some of the rest of the ragamuffins or might be his natural tendency. 

Davis, for a starting bigten player, he is without a doubt unathletic comparatively


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[indianaranger 108]

Thompson and Forrester will play center next year.Davis may not be here.

[Stuhoo 81,996]

9 minutes ago, indianaranger said:

Thompson and Forrester will play center next year.Davis may not be here.

 

Would not surprise me. one. little. bit.

I know it's tea leaf speculation, but DeRon is from Colorado and came for FCTC and McClain, not for IU. 

 

[HoosierCoop 3,963]

1 hour ago, Stuhoo said:

 

Would not surprise me. one. little. bit.

I know it's tea leaf speculation, but DeRon is from Colorado and came for FCTC and McClain, not for IU. 

 

...and his body language shows tell-tale signs of it.

[WayneFleekHoosier 48,749]

He's NOT unathletic. He has great soft hands, and when he wants to, he can turn on the speed. His vertical is decent, too...when he exerts himself. He lacks moxie, which may have rubbed off on him from some of the rest of the ragamuffins or might be his natural tendency. 

His HS play was very similar. He was a better FT shooter in HS, though oddly enough.


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[Bailey7878 2,506]

Thompson and Forrester will play center next year.Davis may not be here.

It's amazing Davis cannot rebound given his size. Like you said he may be gone next year. He is clearly overrated coming out of high school.

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[BGleas 7,917]

5 minutes ago, Bailey7878 said:

It's amazing Davis cannot rebound given his size. Like you said he may be gone next year. He is clearly overrated coming out of high school.

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He should certainly be rebounding better, but rebounding is more about positioning and fast-twitch leaping than pure size. It's why a guy like Dennis Rodman is one of the greatest rebounders ever. He wasn't big or even all that tall, but he played great positioning and he could jump high and then leap again quickly. 

De'Ron, while big, is slow, doesn't jump high and doesn't jump quickly. Once he's down he has to re-gather to jump again. He's just so limited athletically. 

[Brass Cannon 24,940]

Everything about Davis screams to me poor work ethic. When you have the physical tools he has you should not be regressing a little bit each year. 

 

[coonhounds 9,336]

Everything about Davis screams to me poor work ethic. When you have the physical tools he has you should not be regressing a little bit each year. 
 

It would be out of character for a iu big to get better while here

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[Brass Cannon 24,940]

38 minutes ago, coonhounds said:

It would be out of character for a iu big to get better while here

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DJ White last one off the top of my head. 

[Stuhoo 81,996]

1 hour ago, coonhounds said:

It would be out of character for a iu big to get better while here

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Watford

 

[coonhounds 9,336]

 
Watford
 

Watford to me wasn't a traditional big guy plus i know some have improved. I was merely joking saying i am not getting my hopes up that a big guy will improve here from freshmen year because i often way over estimate how much better they will get and often they seem to regress

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[Brass Cannon 24,940]

4 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

 

Watford

 

He regressed his senior year

[BGleas 7,917]

3 minutes ago, Brass Cannon said:

He regressed his senior year

I don't agree with that. His defense improved tremendously, he was a better leader, shot 48% from 3 and averaged a career high in rebounds. His scoring went down, but that coincides with the continued emergence of Zeller and the emergence of VO. I'm not an advanced metrics guy, but looking at the stats he had the highest win share of his career and highest PER. 

[Stuhoo 81,996]

21 minutes ago, Brass Cannon said:

He regressed his senior year

 

No way, Brass.  I remember well the criticisms of Watford for playing far too soft his first few years. 

By his senior year he was no longer a shooter who had to play the four spot; he turned into a big that could shoot.

 

[Stuhoo 81,996]

 

And for what it's worth, there was another true big in the past ten years at IUBB that, between his first and last year, had his per game point production go up 25%, his FG percentage rise, his blocked shots double, his free throw percentage improve, and his turnovers per minute go down.

For our BtownBanners brain-trust, any idea who?