Corruption in College Basketball

[HoosierAloha]

Well that just makes my blood boil all over again....


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This doesn’t surprise me. I believe some on here have been all over this for awhile. I’m more shocked that coaches left evidence in text messages about it than it was happening. I guess they thought they were just up against the paper tiger NCAA and not the FBI.


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[Class of '66 Old Fart]

Preliminary notifications have been sent out to representatives of both Arizona basketball coach Sean Miller and LSU basketball coach Will Wade that they will be subpoenaed for the April 22 federal basketball corruption trial, multiple sources told Yahoo Sports. These notifications are essentially a courtesy to avoid a public spectacle for the coaches, like getting served in the midst of a game or a practice.  Full story at link below.

https://sports.yahoo.com/sources-arizonas-sean-miller-lsus-will-wade-notified-will-subpoenaed-federal-hoops-corruption-trial-180149786.html

[Stuhoo]

1 hour ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

Preliminary notifications have been sent out to representatives of both Arizona basketball coach Sean Miller and LSU basketball coach Will Wade that they will be subpoenaed for the April 22 federal basketball corruption trial, multiple sources told Yahoo Sports. These notifications are essentially a courtesy to avoid a public spectacle for the coaches, like getting served in the midst of a game or a practice.  Full story at link below.

https://sports.yahoo.com/sources-arizonas-sean-miller-lsus-will-wade-notified-will-subpoenaed-federal-hoops-corruption-trial-180149786.html

 

Puts these coaches potentially in a VERY difficult position. This is how the chess match works:

• One's 5th Amendment rights allow individuals to not testify when that testimony could incriminate them. 
• Sean Miller and Will Wade will have very good attorneys, who will not allow their clients to incriminate themselves under oath.
• However, the federal government can completely eliminate that right against self-incrimination by granting Wade and Miller testimonial immunity. This is usually done after an immunized "Queen for a Day" interview, during which the government issues immunity for the interview to get a sneak preview of the witness's information.
• Immunized court testimony cannot be used against them in a criminal matter, but can be used in an employment or regulatory proceeding (i.e.; by the NCAA or their university administration).
• And, if they lie under oath, including when immunized, they can be prosecuted for criminal perjury and that immunized testimony may then be used against them in its entirety.

Are they boxed in? Maybe; if

1. The prosecutors are willing to grant testimonial immunity,
2. Their truthful testimony would ruin their careers, and
3. They aren't willing to risk criminal perjury charges to save themselves.

 

[Class of '66 Old Fart]

And there is typically a public perception that if one exercises their 5th amendment rights it's because they have something to hide.  Rightly or wrongly as that may be.

[Stuhoo]

44 minutes ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

And there is typically a public perception that if one exercises their 5th amendment rights it's because they have something to hide.  Rightly or wrongly as that may be.

 

Given what I know about the case, it seems that these two coaches are not subjects or targets, and therefore would be immunized and thereafter have no 5th amendment rights to exercise.

 

[Brass Cannon]

1 minute ago, Stuhoo said:

 

Given what I know about the case, it seems that these two coaches are not subjects or targets, and therefore would be immunized and thereafter have no 5th amendment rights to exercise.

 

But if they admitted something wouldn’t the NCAA basically have to consider thinking about pondering the possibility of slapping them on the wrist. 

[HoosierAloha]

But if they admitted something wouldn’t the NCAA basically have to consider thinking about pondering the possibility of slapping them on the wrist. 

It all depends on if they self reported. I’m sure they could admit it in court, not self report, and be just fine.


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[Brass Cannon]

26 minutes ago, HoosierAloha said:

It all depends on if they self reported. I’m sure they could admit it in court, not self report, and be just fine.


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NCAA - “We see here you admitted to providing impermissible benefits in open Court”

Wade - “Nope I was committing perjury, I would never do such a thing”

NCAA - “Oh wow sorry for wasting your time, oh btw on our way in one of your athletes Lambos got a ding from a careless driver. You should divert some education money to a private garage”

[Class of '66 Old Fart]

Zagoria - 

The Govt just filed sentencing recommendations for the adidas trial:  46-57 months for Jim Gatto     30-37 months for Merl Code and Christian Dawkins

[Class of '66 Old Fart]

NCAA has formally requested documents related to the corruption trials.  Trying to make us all believe it actually intends to conduct its own investigation no doubt.

https://sports.yahoo.com/ncaa-files-motion-feds-seeking-info-first-hoops-corruption-trial-205855391.html

[woodenshoemanHoosierfan]

Judge Goes Easy on NCAA Convicts, Citing Widespread Corruption. https://tiny.iavian.net/rmnq

I agree with him. Now the ball is in the NCAA'S court. I have no faith they will do anything.

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[HoosierFan1994]

Maybe this is old news but I saw Pat Forde tell a Louisville sports radio show that the NCAA is going to hammer Kansas Louisville and LSU. Also said he is surprised Mack took that job and the fact he got recruits. I’ll believe it when I see it but he’s been credible.


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[DChoosier]

1 hour ago, HoosierFan1994 said:

Maybe this is old news but I saw Pat Forde tell a Louisville sports radio show that the NCAA is going to hammer Kansas Louisville and LSU. Also said he is surprised Mack took that job and the fact he got recruits. I’ll believe it when I see it but he’s been credible.


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We will see.

It was commonly thought that UNC and Miami (football) would be severely punished. The cases against them appeared insurmountable but they both lawyered up and the spineless, worthless, incompetent NCAA did absolutely nothing to them (note to AD’s, including Glass....never, never, never admit anything).

The recruits obviously do not think anything will happen.  As of today Arizona’s 2019 class is ranked number 1 and Louisville’s is fifth. If that doesn’t teach the schools a lesson I don’t know what will...LOL.

[Deserthoozier]

4 minutes ago, DChoosier said:

We will see.

It was commonly thought that UNC and Miami (football) would be severely punished. The cases against them appeared insurmountable but they both lawyered up and the spineless, worthless, incompetent NCAA did absolutely nothing to them (note to AD’s, including Glass....never, never, never admit anything).

The recruits obviously do not think anything will happen.  As of today Arizona’s 2019 class is ranked number 1 and Louisville’s is fifth. If that doesn’t teach the schools a lesson I don’t know what will...LOL.

Truth! Believe it when I see it. 

[LamarCheeks]

Sure, LSU is on the verge of a regular-season SEC title. But how long before that's erased ... 

 

https://sports.yahoo.com/exclusive-wiretap-reveals-lsu-coach-will-wade-discussed-recruiting-offer-hoops-scandal-middleman-175046487.html

[HoosierFan1994]

1 hour ago, LamarCheeks said:

Sure, LSU is on the verge of a regular-season SEC title. But how long before that's erased ... 

 

https://sports.yahoo.com/exclusive-wiretap-reveals-lsu-coach-will-wade-discussed-recruiting-offer-hoops-scandal-middleman-175046487.html

Said this last night on here...LSU is my darkhorse final four team..but they better enjoy it. I think the NCAA will come down on them. 

[pumpfake]

2 hours ago, HoosierFan1994 said:

Said this last night on here...LSU is my darkhorse final four team..but they better enjoy it. I think the NCAA will come down on them. 

It might be the best thing for cleaning up college basketball: LSU playing on the national stage with chants of "cheaters" along with lots of talk about how they suddenly got so good.  It would definitely give the NCAA a black eye and might be the one thing that gets them to finally take cheating seriously.  One can hope.

[HoosierAloha]

It might be the best thing for cleaning up college basketball: LSU playing on the national stage with chants of "cheaters" along with lots of talk about how they suddenly got so good.  It would definitely give the NCAA a black eye and might be the one thing that gets them to finally take cheating seriously.  One can hope.

U of No Classes won a championship while their whole thing was going on. U of 6 was on the Big stage too. The NCAA will form another commission to tell us that everything is wrong outside of college basketball.


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[LamarCheeks]

Is McIntyre joking or what? The guy was caught on tape, very likely discussing an offer of money to a recruit, and college basketball needs him? Seriously? 

 

 

[HoosierAloha]

Is McIntyre joking or what? The guy was caught on tape, very likely discussing an offer of money to a recruit, and college basketball needs him? Seriously? 
 
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I guess saying you don’t have a comment is now deemed handling it well.


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