2017 July Evaluation Period

[Brass Cannon 24,838]

2 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

 

Is it me, or does that seem reasonably achievable?
Because it would also be fantastic.

 

Realistic now yes. 6 months ago you would have been dreaming 

[hoosierpap 14,300]

2 hours ago, Chris007 said:

Yes I think you are correct about that. From everything I have been told the staff might think they will still need a guard or PG in the 19 class. You hearing the same thing?

No, I haven't heard it specifically. More or less, was referencing an email chain I'm in and overall approach to recruiting with Archie. Didn't mean to imply I had heard that from the staff. Basic conversation was, Archie believes in balance. Overall w the team but also within the class, within reason. Obviously, you recruit to your need but there is a balance in mind. Also, totally depends on how '18 class ends. It's my opinion that you always need a PG, quality varies based on roster comp.

[hoosierpap 14,300]

8 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

 

Is it me, or does that seem reasonably achievable?
Because it would also be fantastic.

 

It does right now. It is right now. But '19 is a ways a way and things change. Not trying to put the kabosh on it because right now it's realistic...I know I say it all the time but recruiting is just so fluid. So many variables.

[Stuhoo 81,063]

And depending on whether we continue to trend up, it seems like Wiseman is also within the realm of possibility too.

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2 hours ago, VO5 said:

Do you see Duke as the main competition here?

I don't know. I only really know IU's side of it. 24/7 indicates Duke, Kansas, UL. 

 

I'll look into it and get back on this.

[hoosierpap 14,300]

Just now, Stuhoo said:

And depending on whether we continue to trend up, it seems like Wiseman is also within the realm of possibility too.

Wiseman is an interesting case going forward. Gonna see if Archie plays that game.

[Stuhoo 81,063]

Wiseman is an interesting case going forward. Gonna see if Archie plays that game.

Gotcha. I'll take the others in that case.

[Uspshoosier 45,877]

RJ Barrett reclassified to 2018


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RJ Barrett reclassified to 2018


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Smart move. He's really good. Surprised to see he's at #3 behind bagley and Zion. I think he should be 2 behind bagley


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[hoosierpap 14,300]

1 hour ago, Stuhoo said:

 

Gotcha. I'll take the others in that case.

 

I know IU's fanbase thinks IU should be above it but....I'm leaning the other way. Just the reality of recruiting. I know others will disagree.

[WayneFleekHoosier 48,433]

I know IU's fanbase thinks IU should be above it but....I'm leaning the other way. Just the reality of recruiting. I know others will disagree.

I'm with you too.


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3 minutes ago, hoosierpap said:

I know IU's fanbase thinks IU should be above it but....I'm leaning the other way. Just the reality of recruiting. I know others will disagree.

I'm with you, and I think it largely comes down to who the coach is. A guy like Crean makes a big spectacle about not playing in the gray area or messing with recruits where there's some shadiness, to the extent that you end up ticking off various handlers, AAU programs, opposing coaches, etc. Not a good look or way to play it, and probably loses you future kids as well. 

Other coaches back-up the brinks truck and are willing to do anything to get a player, even if it means compromising/jeopardizing his entire program. Also, a very bad look and way to play it. 

I feel like with Archie IU has a "coaches coach", and I think we're going to see benefits from that in a variety of different areas, but recruiting is a big one. He's grown up in the gym and around coaches. He knows how to speak with these people, and has seen this movie before. He'll know and understand how to play these situations in a way that doesn't compromise IU, but allows the program to play with the big boys of the recruiting world. 

[323SGrant 1,176]

16 minutes ago, hoosierpap said:

I know IU's fanbase thinks IU should be above it but....I'm leaning the other way. Just the reality of recruiting. I know others will disagree.

I'm with you also.

[Stuhoo 81,063]

I know IU's fanbase thinks IU should be above it but....I'm leaning the other way. Just the reality of recruiting. I know others will disagree.

I understand, but not me.
I'm not trying to be all high and mighty, I simply believe that it is entirely possible to win with kids that have some interest in being student athletes and who are guided by parents, not handlers.

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12 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

 

I understand, but not me.
I'm not trying to be all high and mighty, I simply believe that it is entirely possible to win with kids that have some interest in being student athletes and who are guided by parents, not handlers.

 

It is possible, just significantly more improbable. I do get your side of it though

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I don't want to get players that skip classes and have no interest in at least pretending to be a student, but if we have to play in the mud a little to get back to elite status then I'll grudgingly accept it. 

[WayneFleekHoosier 48,433]

It is possible, just significantly more improbable. I do get your side of it though

Even teams like Villanova dance around.
MSU too.

The teams I consider really good that appear to have a cleaner record are Virginia, Gonzaga, and Wisconsin. That might be all. Lol.


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Even teams like Villanova dance around.
MSU too.

The teams I consider really good that appear to have a cleaner record are Virginia, Gonzaga, and Wisconsin. That might be all. Lol.


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And Butler under Stevens and somewhat under Holtman.


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[wirenuts 1,056]

Everything may think I'm nuts, but I truly believe college basketball would be better to get rid of the one year rule completely. Just let them go straight to the NBA from high school

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[Hoosierfan2017 21,502]

3 minutes ago, wirenuts said:

Everything may think I'm nuts, but I truly believe college basketball would be better to get rid of the one year rule completely. Just let them go straight to the NBA from high school

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The NCAA can't do anything about the one and done rule. The NBA makes the decision.