2018 General Recruiting Thread

[Uspshoosier 45,284]

Interesting. Wonder if they told Phinisee they wouldn't recruit over him unless it was Garland. 

People kept pressing him why not and he just said they don't want him and have no desire to coach the kid.



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[Class of '66 Old Fart 84,119]

26 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

People kept pressing him why not and he just said they don't want him and have no desire to coach the kid.



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IMO makes it sound like there are some behind the scenes issues and maybe contributing factors to his de-commitment.

[Stuhoo 79,850]

A top 100 kid that committed to DePaul when his dad wasn't the coach?

[MoyeNeeded 3,073]

Might as well recruit him in case Garland goes elsewhere. We need another PG besides Phinisee next season.

Disagree. Hold the scholarship if no Garland. We've got Green and Durham. Too many big time '19 studs out there.

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[Brass Cannon 24,292]

28 minutes ago, MoyeNeeded said:

Disagree. Hold the scholarship if no Garland. We've got Green and Durham. Too many big time '19 studs out there.

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Yep only 2018 guys we should be talking to at this point are 5 stars. 

[Hoosier Guy 7,528]

28 minutes ago, MoyeNeeded said:

Disagree. Hold the scholarship if no Garland. We've got Green and Durham. Too many big time '19 studs out there.

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Absolutely. 2019 has so many elite recruits that IU needs every scholarship they can get

[Brass Cannon 24,292]

2 minutes ago, Iugradman said:

What if Forrester commits next week? Time for concern?

Probably just more of an indication Archie prefers 4 year players. 

[mdn82 25,510]

What if Forrester commits next week? Time for concern?

Nah.


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[HoosierAloha 30,026]

Maybe expects transfers and/or early departures. Romeo, Brooks, Watford, Hurt, etc. won't decide for awhile so space could free up for them.

I would be more shocked if we didn't have a transfer than if we do.

[mdn82 25,510]

Maybe he expects transfers and/or early departures. Romeo, Brooks, Watford, Hurt, etc. won't decide for awhile so space could free up for them.

Look, I agree we are in great position in 2019. But, there are other teams recruiting these kids as well. I am expecting IU to do something they haven't done in close to 30 years and pull 2 5*. It seems some feel 2019 class is going to be a Kentucky class on steroids and that just isn't going to happen. I fully expect 3 scholarships being available. Romeo is a 2018 and won't be here when Brooks, Watford, or Hurt would. I don't see Hurt tbh once this plays out. Brooks is most likely 5*. Part of why I think he is pulling in players with upside in spite of potential in 2019 is Archie has to bring in his type of players and cycle through Crean players that won't fit what he is trying to do. I don't see us ever putting together a class this large any time soon.

 

Damn autocorrect

 

 

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[mdn82 25,510]

I was an optimist about Crean's recruiting until we started striking out on almost all of the top prospects, especially those in state. I will be optimistic about Archie's recruiting until he starts striking out. We want to be elite again, we hired Archie to get us back to the blueblood level, so we should expect and demand high level recruiting. Langford and Brooks are must gets along with other top prospects if we want to compete with the big boys. 

I don't disagree with the premise that recruiting has to improve, but there are many different ways to win than taking 5 one and dones in a year. Consistently pulling top 50 players every year is more of a recipe for sustainable success than pulling multiple one and dones. The one thing I disagree with strongly is there is any one player that is a "must get". Especially more than a year from signing date for the one. So many things can change. There are a number of things that could change. For Romeo, I want the kid. I just don't get why it is a huge disappointment if he wouldn't come here like people act like. Is a perception thing as a fan that would make you guys feel like this hire is different? Because each of our last three coaches pulled a top 20 talent in their first couple of years. Pulling a player doesn't change anything. A player isn't a program changer. Winning is the only program changer.


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[MikeRoberts 6,924]

I don't disagree with the premise that recruiting has to improve, but there are many different ways to win than taking 5 one and dones in a year. Consistently pulling top 50 players every year is more of a recipe for sustainable success than pulling multiple one and dones. The one thing I disagree with strongly is there is any one player that is a "must get". Especially more than a year from signing date for the one. So many things can change. There are a number of things that could change. For Romeo, I want the kid. I just don't get why it is a huge disappointment if he wouldn't come here like people act like. Is a perception thing as a fan that would make you guys feel like this hire is different? Because each of our last three coaches pulled a top 20 talent in their first couple of years. Pulling a player doesn't change anything. A player isn't a program changer. Winning is the only program changer.


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Yes! There are a few folks here that don't understand what a must get is. Frankly I don't think there is such a thing when it comes to any one recruit. Archie landing top 50 type players is key to longterm success not Romeo, not Brooke's etc. we need to have a steady and balanced roster of talent, it could come in a plethora of ways, not contingent on one or even a few players. Would love to have these aforementioned guys but if we landed hurt and wiseman and not Brooke's and Watford for example does it really matter? Talent is talent and there are a lot of players that fit that bill



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[MoyeNeeded 3,073]

I don't disagree with the premise that recruiting has to improve, but there are many different ways to win than taking 5 one and dones in a year. Consistently pulling top 50 players every year is more of a recipe for sustainable success than pulling multiple one and dones. The one thing I disagree with strongly is there is any one player that is a "must get". Especially more than a year from signing date for the one. So many things can change. There are a number of things that could change. For Romeo, I want the kid. I just don't get why it is a huge disappointment if he wouldn't come here like people act like. Is a perception thing as a fan that would make you guys feel like this hire is different? Because each of our last three coaches pulled a top 20 talent in their first couple of years. Pulling a player doesn't change anything. A player isn't a program changer. Winning is the only program changer.


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Understand...but doesn't UK, Duke, UNC pull in multiple 5* every season? What's wrong with having a program like that? Absolutely nothing!

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[JustWinWoody 3,383]

2 hours ago, Iugradman said:

Maybe he expects transfers and/or early departures. Romeo, Brooks, Watford, Hurt, etc. won't decide for awhile so space could free up for them.

SO, what shall we call it?  Archie'd?  Miller'd?    (I know, not as telling as Crean'd)  

[HoosierDYT 1,748]

I don't believe we get hurt but I'd be shocked if TJD and Brooks aren't future Hoosiers. 

[mdn82 25,510]

If we want to be good in 2018 we need Romeo because we lose a lot after this season. 
Zeller immediately changed the program. We went from last in the Big Ten to conference champs and a #1 seed in just two years in large part due to him, and Crean had no idea how to use him properly. Romeo is a similar game changing talent. You add him to Morgan, Davis, the incoming freshmen, and our other returning players and you are looking at a contending team.

Yes with Zeller and a top 10 class two years prior to him coming we went from last to first in two years. That top ten class wasn't an instant impact class. They were a class that was going to be good as upperclassmen. Perfect timing getting Zeller. We didn't have a Zeller type of player prior. A big that got up and down the floor. We had Pritch. Romeo is a one and done player. His impact will be for one year. Yes he will improve us but not make or break us. Not in the least. He is not a transcendent talent. Great talent? Yes. Improve our team? Yes. Now if we were in on Marvin Bagley he would be a transcendent talent. Romeo will go to either IU or UL and probably get 15-17 points a game. He will be a lottery talent. He will not put either of us on a championship level. Both teams will need more talent to compete.


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[mdn82 25,510]

Understand...but doesn't UK, Duke, UNC pull in multiple 5* every season? What's wrong with having a program like that? Absolutely nothing!

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U.K.? Yes. Duke? Yes. UNC? No they don't pull multiple 5* every year. They may pull one, but they mostly sit in the 30-50 range. Some years they do pull multiple but not every year. Roster turnover is not conducive to sustained title contending success. Only Duke and U.K. won with Freshman leading their team. Each happened once. You know what UNC won with? Juniors and Seniors. Same as Nova, UConn, etc. there are multiple ways to recruit and no such thing as absolute must have. That is what I am saying. The most important recruits are the ones that sign on the dotted line. If they aren't good enough to win, then Archie won't last long. Simple as that. OAD talent sounds great on paper, but the tournament success just isn't the norm for those types of players. Usually the 5* that stays a couple of years win titles.


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[mdn82 25,510]

Yes! There are a few folks here that don't understand what a must get is. Frankly I don't think there is such a thing when it comes to any one recruit. Archie landing top 50 type players is key to longterm success not Romeo, not Brooke's etc. we need to have a steady and balanced roster of talent, it could come in a plethora of ways, not contingent on one or even a few players. Would love to have these aforementioned guys but if we landed hurt and wiseman and not Brooke's and Watford for example does it really matter? Talent is talent and there are a lot of players that fit that bill



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This all day long for me!


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[mdn82 25,510]

Zeller averaged 15.6 ppg his freshman year and he was transcendent for our team. Romeo can have a similar type impact, especially with a better coach who knows how to use him properly.

Ok. 15.6 ppg is transcendent? Agree to disagree. Really good? Absolutely. Transcendent? I have different expectations of transcendent players.


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[Brass Cannon 24,292]

9 minutes ago, mdn82 said:

Ok. 15.6 ppg is transcendent? Agree to disagree. Really good? Absolutely. Transcendent? I have different expectations of transcendent players.


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To be fair if Crean knew how to coach Cody probably averages 20 plus