Welcome Coach Miller

[Hovadipo 61,420]

On 3/25/2017 at 12:35 PM, Hovadipo said:

So happy this is over, and very happy it ends with us getting Archie. If you want to jump off the ledge, then bye. I couldn't care less. I'm excited for the future.

JOHNNY, TELL ME WHAT I’VE WON!!!

[Brass Cannon 25,429]

14 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

I thought it was a decent to good hire after the home run options were eliminated.  I wanted a home run.  
 

outside looking in, Archie looked the same or better than Holtman, The Cheater at Illinois, or even later Juwan Howard.  
 

archie just hasn’t meet or exceeded the challenge for whatever reason. 

Any hire is a crapshoot.  It’s all about being willing to cut the anchor once it’s obvious the coach is that. 
 

Frankly it’s been obvious since last year.  Archie can’t or won’t fix these glaring weaknesses with his teams.  There’s no future with him.  
 

Crean for all his faults would occasionally build a team that was able to compete. 

[MikeRoberts 7,993]

45 minutes ago, Hovadipo said:

JOHNNY, TELL ME WHAT I’VE WON!!!

Crow?

[JSHoosier 22,210]

1 hour ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

I think this is the clear and correct assumption. We’ve been bad for a long time with the only real sunlight being the coaches hirings and the Romeo recruitment. Everything else hasn’t brought excitement. A random nice win followed by a worse loss.  We would have made the tourney last year, that might have helped a little depending on our showing although no one really expected us to make noise.  This year is very similar.  The football program had a phenomenal year and new fans and excitement were bursting at the seams.  How long does Archie get?  Probably 1 more year.  

I expect 2-3, they'll want to give him plenty of time to make a real mess so there's built in excuses when the next subpar coach they hire doesn't perform.

[MikeRoberts 7,993]

45 minutes ago, Brass Cannon said:

Any hire is a crapshoot.  It’s all about being willing to cut the anchor once it’s obvious the coach is that. 
 

Frankly it’s been obvious since last year.  Archie can’t or won’t fix these glaring weaknesses with his teams.  There’s no future with him.  
 

Crean for all his faults would occasionally build a team that was able to compete. 

Crean was infuriating because he showed us what it could be again. It could be fun to be an IU fan, we could recruit, we could win, we could play a fast paced, fun style but it never lasted. 
the fact that he could make all that happen was the best and worst thing that happened to us because it proved it could be done here and that it could be good here again

[MikeRoberts 7,993]

3 minutes ago, JSHoosier said:

I expect 2-3, they'll want to give him plenty of time to make a real mess so there's built in excuses when the next subpar coach they hire doesn't perform.

That’s right. You should never wait until the fanbase has completely become apathetic and recruiting has dried up, it’s too late then a mild rebuild is in the cards at a minimum. We’re toeing that line. One more season of getting the pants beaten off us by our rivals is going to lead to the administration telling us to be patient and a significant rebuild is needed

[Stuhoo 89,332]

59 minutes ago, Hovadipo said:

JOHNNY, TELL ME WHAT I’VE WON!!!

Apparently the audience is not awarding you a cookie. :(

[Hovadipo 61,420]

13 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

Apparently the audience is not awarding you a cookie. :(

This is how my generosity is rewarded. Sad, really. 

[Stuhoo 89,332]

4 minutes ago, Hovadipo said:

This is how my generosity is rewarded. Sad, really. 

No cookie!

You may have a carrot stick—NO ranch dip.

[Stuhoo 89,332]

1 hour ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

I thought it was a decent to good hire after the home run options were eliminated.  I wanted a home run.  
 

outside looking in, Archie looked the same or better than Holtman, The Cheater at Illinois, or even later Juwan Howard.  
 

archie just hasn’t meet or exceeded the challenge for whatever reason. 

If things don’t improve this is exactly where I am.

 

[Hoosierfan2017 24,852]

We’ve made as many bowl games since 2008 as we have NCAA tournaments. Imagine going back and explaining that one to an IU fan 20 years ago. 

[Brass Cannon 25,429]

3 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

We’ve made as many bowl games since 2008 as we have NCAA tournaments. Imagine going back and explaining that one to an IU fan 20 years ago. 

Well it all started with a phone call.  Or more specifically a few too many phone calls...

[8bucks 7,542]

18 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

If things don’t improve this is exactly where I am.

 

Improve a lot, a little?  Would you draw any conclusions this year or will you not make this decision till next year regardless 

[WayneFleekHoosier 51,346]

Improve a lot, a little?  Would you draw any conclusions this year or will you not make this decision till next year regardless 

If we lose out in closing the seat will be burning hot. If we win 1 lose 1 etc, it will be status quo, and pray for next season.

I think he gets next season no matter what happens to finish, which isn’t my desire.

The apathy is clearly growing at a faster rate than it ever has before. The administration has some big decisions to make.

So much of the decision is WHO can we get and WHEN?


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[Brass Cannon 25,429]

10 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

If we lose out in closing the seat will be burning hot. If we win 1 lose 1 etc, it will be status quo, and pray for next season.

I think he gets next season no matter what happens to finish, which isn’t my desire.

The apathy is clearly growing at a faster rate than it ever has before. The administration has some big decisions to make.

So much of the decision is WHO can we get and WHEN?


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I think the apathy is growing because it looked like he was a good hire till the collapse in 2018. 
 

He started 12-9 his first 21 big ten games and something like 20-30 since then.  
 

The universe built us up only to dash our hopes.  Even I was hopeful after we started 3-0 in 2018 but then reality set in. 

[Stuhoo 89,332]

1 hour ago, 8bucks said:

Improve a lot, a little?  Would you draw any conclusions this year or will you not make this decision till next year regardless 

 

53 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

If we lose out in closing the seat will be burning hot. If we win 1 lose 1 etc, it will be status quo, and pray for next season.

I think he gets next season no matter what happens to finish, which isn’t my desire.

The apathy is clearly growing at a faster rate than it ever has before. The administration has some big decisions to make.

So much of the decision is WHO can we get and WHEN?


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Two in a row!

I am with Wayne exactly the way he said it this time too.

[Old Friend 8,667]

4 hours ago, Josh said:

I can say that two posters in particular who used to post a lot but don't anymore are extremely condescending name callers.  When somebody would post that Miller would not be a good coach, they responded with insults.  So they can dish it but they can't take it?

A lot of people here may disagree with Chicken Sandwich, but I have never seen him name call another poster.  Yet the pumping mob has no problem doing it.  This board would be a lot better if we discussed the subject matter rather than name call the ones we disagree with.  Wayne is right, there can be a large mob mentality here that loves to bash "negative posters".  

There are also pumpers who are extremely repetitive with their comments, yet they complain about dumpers doing the same.  Again...if you can dish it, you should take it.

If people who are fans of this program don't want to hear anything negative, they should switch to shows about gardening.

You know as well as I do you're in part referring to me, and given what another guy said last month, I thought I'd make an appearance for no other reason than you two still seem obsessed.  You've always done exactly what you did here. (and if "stalker" is name calling, then yep.  It fits a couple guys, and I'll stand behind that as long as I need to)  It's cheap and it's a narrative....not reality.   THIS is why I left and only rarely post anymore.   Making some claim that I can't "take it" is laughable.  Who "took" more than me over the years?   I'll wait.   I did so because I knew damned good and well my first point below was accurate and the ease of narrative vs. truth is time tested.

1)  I'll give you a week.  A month.   As long as you want to find a single time when I insulted someone without being personally insulted first - and I don't always mean in a single post.  I mean given history.   I'll wait on THAT, too.  Same question re: condescending.  I'm condescending toward YOU simply in response to the way you always treated ME.   Something about not being able to take it??    When have I done that without it having been done to me, first?  You included and don't lie to everyone and give it the "who, ME?" BS.   You know better and so do I.  Stop it.  You're civil to me, I'm civil to you; and I promise there are only a handful of people where condescension has entered the fray.  I'll call a spade a spade.  You can either take it or you can't.

2)   My story on Archie was consistently that we needed to wait until he had his own players to judge him.  I never - as far as I know - claimed anything.  He's very obviously a good coach.  Is he the right coach?  I know I never claimed that.  And he's got about 3 weeks to make some changes because his team is awful to watch, and I know a whole lot of influential people, including one woman whose name is on the building where he coaches, have had enough.   I also know the support from administration has been sub-par, and all of the blame isn't on his shoulders.    That's for another thread.

3)  In response to your bunk mate a couple of weeks ago, who also claimed I said Tom Crean would be great at IU, that's another laughable narrative and a flat assed lie, just like my saying anything but the above re: Archie.   "I can teach a fat kid in flip flops to stand still."    "You can't win the conference and then finish 10th."  "Tom Crean can get kids to say yes, but he can't build a program."   Any of that sound familiar?  THAT's what I said, among myriad other things.  Since his first season when I watched his offense stand still; and for his entire tenure we could only score consistently in transition.

[Stuhoo 89,332]

20 minutes ago, Old Friend said:

You know as well as I do you're in part referring to me, and given what another guy said last month, I thought I'd make an appearance for no other reason than you two still seem obsessed.  You've always done exactly what you did here. (and if "stalker" is name calling, then yep.  It fits a couple guys, and I'll stand behind that as long as I need to)  It's cheap and it's a narrative....not reality.   THIS is why I left and only rarely post anymore.   Making some claim that I can't "take it" is laughable.  Who "took" more than me over the years?   I'll wait.   I did so because I knew damned good and well my first point was accurate and the ease of narrative vs. truth is time tested.

1)  I'll give you a week.  A month.   As long as you want to find a single time when I insulted someone without being personally insulted first - and I don't always mean in a single post.  I mean given history.   I'll wait on THAT, too.  Same question re: condescending.  I'm condescending toward YOU simply in response to the way you always treated ME.   Something about not being able to take it??    When have I done that without it having been done to me, first?  You included and don't lie to everyone and give it the "who, ME?" BS.   You know better and so do I.  Stop it.  You're civil to me, I'm civil to you; and I promise there are only a handful of people where condescension has entered the fray.  I'll call a spade a spade.  You can either take it or you can't.

2)   My story on Archie was consistently that we needed to wait until he had his own players to judge him.  I never - as far as I know - claimed anything.  He's very obviously a good coach.  Is he the right coach?  I know I never claimed that.  And he's got about 3 weeks to make some changes because his team is awful to watch, and I know a whole lot of influential people, including one woman whose name is on the building where he coaches, have had enough.   I also know the support from administration has been sub-par, and all of the blame isn't on his shoulders.    That's for another thread.

3)  In response to your bunk mate a couple of weeks ago, who also claimed I said Tom Crean would be great at IU, that's another laughable narrative and a flat assed lie, just like my saying anything but the above re: Archie.   "I can teach a fat kid in flip flops to stand still."    "You can't win the conference and then finish 10th."  "Tom Crean can get kids to say yes, but he can't build a program."   Any of that sound familiar?  THAT's what I said, among myriad other things.  Since his first season when I watched his offense stand still; and for his entire tenure we could only score consistently in transition.

There’s a lot of notable stuff in that post. However, the one line from that I’m going to remember and use myself is “I can teach a fat kid in flip-flops to stand still”

That’s truly outstanding.

Edit: Also mighty interesting is the bit about an unhappy SimonSkodt. That has real impact if she is insistent enough.

 

[Brass Cannon 25,429]

15 minutes ago, Old Friend said:

You know as well as I do you're in part referring to me, and given what another guy said last month, I thought I'd make an appearance for no other reason than you two still seem obsessed.  You've always done exactly what you did here. (and if "stalker" is name calling, then yep.  It fits a couple guys, and I'll stand behind that as long as I need to)  It's cheap and it's a narrative....not reality.   THIS is why I left and only rarely post anymore.   Making some claim that I can't "take it" is laughable.  Who "took" more than me over the years?   I'll wait.   I did so because I knew damned good and well my first point below was accurate and the ease of narrative vs. truth is time tested.

1)  I'll give you a week.  A month.   As long as you want to find a single time when I insulted someone without being personally insulted first - and I don't always mean in a single post.  I mean given history.   I'll wait on THAT, too.  Same question re: condescending.  I'm condescending toward YOU simply in response to the way you always treated ME.   Something about not being able to take it??    When have I done that without it having been done to me, first?  You included and don't lie to everyone and give it the "who, ME?" BS.   You know better and so do I.  Stop it.  You're civil to me, I'm civil to you; and I promise there are only a handful of people where condescension has entered the fray.  I'll call a spade a spade.  You can either take it or you can't.

2)   My story on Archie was consistently that we needed to wait until he had his own players to judge him.  I never - as far as I know - claimed anything.  He's very obviously a good coach.  Is he the right coach?  I know I never claimed that.  And he's got about 3 weeks to make some changes because his team is awful to watch, and I know a whole lot of influential people, including one woman whose name is on the building where he coaches, have had enough.   I also know the support from administration has been sub-par, and all of the blame isn't on his shoulders.    That's for another thread.

3)  In response to your bunk mate a couple of weeks ago, who also claimed I said Tom Crean would be great at IU, that's another laughable narrative and a flat assed lie, just like my saying anything but the above re: Archie.   "I can teach a fat kid in flip flops to stand still."    "You can't win the conference and then finish 10th."  "Tom Crean can get kids to say yes, but he can't build a program."   Any of that sound familiar?  THAT's what I said, among myriad other things.  Since his first season when I watched his offense stand still; and for his entire tenure we could only score consistently in transition.

Do you seriously lurk on this board until somebody mentions you and your terrible posting habits only to leap from the shadows to further solidify those views?

[Hoosierfan2017 24,852]

The more time that passes, the more I think we were only elite in the modern era because of Bob Knight and we won’t ever be elite again. (Yes, I know IU had Branch McCracken before that, but that was pre-modern era). We’ve won the conference three times in my life. We’ve been past the sweet 16 once in my life, and that happened when I was 7 years old. The kids coming to IU now weren’t even alive in 2002 when that happened. Those kids know a program that misses the tournament more often than it makes it. We’ve had four coaches since Knight, and none of them have panned out. 

The fans are the only thing really keeping the program alive at this point, and we’re usually crapped on for being “unrealistic.” The pandemic season has made it very clear that without the fans we’re a mediocre program. Take away the 17k screaming fans inside Assembly Hall and we’re no different from a random P5 team. Our coaching isn’t special. Our players aren’t special. Nothing’s special about us. 

I wanted Crean fired in 2017 because I thought that he was the problem. I thought all we had to do was fire him and we’d be great again. Now, though, I don’t care if we fire Archie or keep him. I don’t expect things to change either way. I’ll believe that IU can be elite again when I see it.