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[mdn82 25,510]

Yep.  All it will take is the eyeball test.  If people think "winning" or not is all there is to it, they're out of their minds.   Watch what happens on the floor.  This 140 character "right now" world of immediate satisfaction and all or nothing makes me crazy.   Hell, I knew in year 2 what kind of coach Crean was, and his team was terrible.  That had nothing to do with him; but you could see his offense was based off the dribble; people stood around, and he wasn't bothered by turnovers.  People need to use their eyes, too.

Yep. He has to recruit and win consistently. We will know quick. We don't have a dumpster fire here. I don't foresee a mass exodus. I want to see him getting in on top talent over the summer and see where that takes us. There is plenty in the area.


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[CR3AMnCR1MS0N 1,867]

We need to be there before then. Or expecting it next year or the year after that. Maybe his third year.

I imagine our roster will be gutted here in a month (James, OG, Bryant).




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We do replace them with new players tho. If it takes us 6 years to make an Elite 8, the entire Board of Trustees needs to be replaced. This is Indiana

I'd say I expect Elite 8 year 3 (led by De'Ron Davis ) at the latest. This coming season, I'm willing to give some grace. I'd be happy in Archie's first year (assuming players leave like I'm expecting) if we could finish top 3 or 4 in the conference and get to the Sweet 16 and play a competitive game there. I would love more than that, but if our roster is "gutted," expecting more right away is probably unfair.

If he doesn't have a strong enough core or can't lead talent well enough to win 3 tournament games by somewhere between years 3 and 5, he's failed at the job he's been hired for.
I could see the 6th year being like this year for Crean if Archie hasn't made the E8 by then.

Note: had we hired Donovan or Bennett, my expectations for this coming season would be the same.

[Hoosier Guy 7,529]

1 minute ago, Treesh said:

I'm really curious what he can do here at IU. None of his Dayton classes were great..

We all thought Crean was an amazing recruiter and he was pretty good for a little while. One thing that really helped him in recruiting I believe was his ability to pitch a vision. Crean was a salesman like no other, I don't get that vibe from Miller, Miller seems a little awkward to me.

Archie is not awkward but a realist. He's not gonna bullish!t you like Crean

[Trish 11,622]

One would assume OG and James leave. 

Leaves Miller with..

Josh

Rojo

Smith

Morgan 

Bryant

 

If that can't get into the dance next year, then we can go ahead and fire him. It's a damn shame we couldn't even make it this year. Embarrassing!

[mdn82 25,510]

Good Lord...I have only read this page.  What idiot says there might be??

Up above your original post. I completely agreed with your post fwiw. We will know what we have quick. We have to see a more defense minded squad. I do like the fact he doesn't utilize the weave as much as screens with a purpose. He lets his guys shoot, but they are coming off a screen. Not dribble chuck. He has pressure coming into this gig. But he should. If he wins he will be fine.


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[Trish 11,622]

1 minute ago, CR3AMnCR1MS0N said:

 

 

I'd say I expect Elite 8 year 3 (led by De'Ron Davis ) at the latest. This coming season, I'm willing to give some grace. I'd be happy in Archie's first year (assuming players leave like I'm expecting) if we could finish top 3 or 4 in the conference and get to the Sweet 16 and play a competitive game there. I would love more than that, but if our roster is "gutted," expecting more right away is probably unfair.

If he doesn't have a strong enough core or can't lead talent well enough to win 3 tournament games by somewhere between years 3 and 5, he's failed at the job he's been hired for.
I could see the 6th year being like this year for Crean if Archie hasn't made the E8 by then.

Note: had we hired Donovan or Bennett, my expectations for this coming season would be the same.

 

 

If we don't make the dance next year, then we need to be worried. OG and James are the only ones I see leaving.

[Trish 11,622]

2 minutes ago, Hoosier Guy said:

Archie is not awkward but a realist. He's not gonna bullish!t you like Crean

I'm excited for Archie to take blame. However, he's not a public speaker by any means. 

[hoosierpap 14,300]

4 minutes ago, Old Friend said:

Yep.  All it will take is the eyeball test.  If people think "winning" or not is all there is to it, they're out of their minds.   Watch what happens on the floor.  This 140 character "right now" world of immediate satisfaction and all or nothing makes me crazy.   Hell, I knew in year 2 what kind of coach Crean was, and his team was terrible.  That had nothing to do with him; but you could see his offense was based off the dribble; people stood around, and he wasn't bothered by turnovers.  People need to use their eyes, too.

 

Agreed. What is your opinion w how Archie does in Indiana AAU circles...tricky business, but I've heard you've been there

[Hoosier Guy 7,529]

Just now, Treesh said:

I'm excited for Archie to take blame. However, he's not a public speaker by any means. 

Doesn't have to be a public speaker since he knows how to coach basketball

[cljones1979 740]

Miller is known for tough d effecient offense and taking care of the ball. Total opposite of crean

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[Old Friend 8,389]

Just now, mdn82 said:

Yep. He has to recruit and win consistently. We will know quick. We don't have a dumpster fire here. I don't foresee a mass exodus. I want to see him getting in on top talent over the summer and see where that takes us. There is plenty in the area.


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I still haven't gone back to look, but I'm shocked that people are panicking.  If Miller doesn't win immediately, but the team looks like it's doing good things and he's recruiting well; AND if they're better in February than they are in November; everything will be fine.  Good gravy....we just watched mediocrity at its finest for the last 9 seasons.  This is an energetic young kid who was a point guard.  That's a HUGE plus for me.  He's won his conference in back to back seasons and has single digit losses the last 3.   Why does anyone think this is a dumpster fire other than Indiana didn't "get" the big name some claim we need?   

[mdn82 25,510]

I'm really curious what he can do here at IU. None of his Dayton classes were great..
We all thought Crean was an amazing recruiter and he was pretty good for a little while. One thing that really helped him in recruiting I believe was his ability to pitch a vision. Crean was a salesman like no other, I don't get that vibe from Miller, Miller seems a little awkward to me.

I don't know if awkward is the word I would use. He seems pretty straightforward to me. Hopefully we find out quick how he recruits. Took his brother two years at Zona. Archie being on the US under 19 squad should help him with connections.


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[CR3AMnCR1MS0N 1,867]

One would assume OG and James leave. 
Leaves Miller with..
Josh
Rojo
Smith
Morgan 
Bryant
 
If that can't get into the dance next year, then we can go ahead and fire him. It's a damn shame we couldn't even make it this year. Embarrassing!

Anyone know if RoJo will be able to grad transfer?

[cljones1979 740]

I'm really curious what he can do here at IU. None of his Dayton classes were great..
We all thought Crean was an amazing recruiter and he was pretty good for a little while. One thing that really helped him in recruiting I believe was his ability to pitch a vision. Crean was a salesman like no other, I don't get that vibe from Miller, Miller seems a little awkward to me.

He recruited for Ohio state and Arizona so he has experience recruiting for big schools.

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[Trish 11,622]

Just now, mdn82 said:

I don't know if awkward is the word I would use. He seems pretty straightforward to me. Hopefully we find out quick how he recruits. Took his brother two years at Zona. Archie being on the US under 19 squad should help him with connections.


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One thing that excites me is that we all know he's going to be up tomorrow morning working his butt off. He wants to prove himself. 

 

[Old Friend 8,389]

2 minutes ago, hoosierpap said:

Agreed. What is your opinion w how Archie does in Indiana AAU circles...tricky business, but I've heard you've been there

It all depends on who he knows, and I don't know the answer to that.   What I want him to do is recruit to his system, stay with it, and get kids who can execute whatever it is he wants to do.  I have no doubt he'll focus on the midwest, which means he'll get kids who understand how and why (VERY important to know why) to use the screens in his system; and Dayton was a pretty solid defensive team.  If he can get kids to buy in, I think he'll be just fine.  His NBA pedigree needs to develop; but I think he'll be okay.

[hoosierbannerd 1,631]

I saw where our new coach is on twitter asking people to send tweets as he is heading back to Dayton right now. He thanked this site for the "new shirts". I don't have twitter, but if you do or know someone who does, please tell him not to show the shirt at his presser ala "Crean and Crimson"... 

[CR3AMnCR1MS0N 1,867]

I saw where our new coach is on twitter asking people to send tweets as he is heading back to Dayton right now. He thanked this site for the "new shirts". I don't have twitter, but if you do or know someone who does, please tell him not to show the shirt at his presser ala "Crean and Crimson"... 

I don't think that's really Archie

[Old Friend 8,389]

All of these expectations of NCAA tournament success in ____  years amuse me.   Let's focus on being in the conversation for conference titles consistently.  That happens, national results will be there.  I know we want to hang banners; but tournament success can be very arbitrary (raise your hand if you had Gonzaga and Oregon in your final four.  I rest my case)

I'd love to see simplified expectations and focus on consistency rather than a single accomplishment that's based on far more than whether or not a guy's a good coach.  Just be there.  Results will come.

[Trish 11,622]

You all know how much I dislike Newkirk. I'm curious to see what an experienced coach who actually played basketball (at the PG spot no less) can do with Josh.. or Green..