Player and Recruit Retention News/Discussion & Potential Transfers

[HoosierHoops1 5,024]

I think you have to use stars/starters to gauge longevity while  playing hard, because the short careers are more often talent driven not wear and tear.

 

[Hoosierfan2017 23,800]

Here's some stuff. Not exactly what we're looking for, but interesting nonetheless. 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/sport/2015/nov/30/the-kobe-bryant-outlier-how-his-career-compares-to-the-nba-average

https://weaksideawareness.wordpress.com/2011/11/22/average-nba-career-length-for-players-details/

[mdn82 25,953]

I think you have to use stars/starters to gauge longevity while  playing hard, because the short careers are more often talent driven not wear and tear.
 

Who determines what a star is? What is the criteria? Some numbers are driven by longevity. Some are driven by rules. A player can be a starter one year and out of the league the next not due to talent. There are so many variables it is impossible to quantify. Much like who is the GOAT. It is a preference. Numbers are there much like any instance to tell a story anyone wants to tell. Not give a black and white answer.


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[MoyeNeeded 3,073]

I watch this video and saw more screens in it than the last 9 years of Crean.  The video is only 5 minutes long.

Bird only played 13 seasons. Magic played 12.5. Thomas played 13. Players today are playing longer than that. 

Vincer Carter just finished season 19. Kobe played 20. Paul Pierced played 19 years. LeBron is on year 14. Kevin Garnett played 21 years. 

I saw Priller set more in one game than the team in FCTC's tenure!

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[RaceToTheTop 29,049]

If he was looking for options out of BTown, it would also make sense for him to just say so as well.

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[BGleas 8,527]

I don't have the links, as it's been a few articles I've read examining this over the years, but in terms of NBA production I think it's less about age/years and more about minutes. I think I've read in the past that the magic number is somewhere around 36,000-40,000 minutes. 

[woodenshoemanHoosierfan 6,545]

Bird only played 13 seasons. Magic played 12.5. Thomas played 13. Players today are playing longer than that. 

Vincer Carter just finished season 19. Kobe played 20. Paul Pierced played 19 years. LeBron is on year 14. Kevin Garnett played 21 years. 

I'd rather see players play hard all the time in a shortened career than not see it and a career lasting 20 yrs.

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[woodenshoemanHoosierfan 6,545]

Not sure if those are the best players from the "previous generation to use as comparisons.
Sure, Bird had back problems largely due to his all-out style of play, but Isiah had a bad injury (which may or may not be addressed differently now) and Magic had HIV. 

Bird,, Magic and Thomas weren't some of the best from that generation?

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[HoosierHoops1 5,024]

1 hour ago, mdn82 said:

Who determines what a star is? What is the criteria? Some numbers are driven by longevity. Some are driven by rules. A player can be a starter one year and out of the league the next not due to talent. There are so many variables it is impossible to quantify. Much like who is the GOAT. It is a preference. Numbers are there much like any instance to tell a story anyone wants to tell. Not give a black and white answer.


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I'm thinking that stars/starters would be more accurate than every single player. 

It wouldn't be too difficult to know the difference between Magic Johnson starting 77 games and whomever started the other 5. 

The questions was about career longevity based on how hard you play (if playing hard makes your career shorter). 

2, 3, 4 year careers shouldn't figure into longevity in any era.

[HoosierHoops1 5,024]

It would be difficult to quantify if we were looking for a single proving instance, but we're just seeing if the avg career of the "usual suspects" is longer.

 

[mdn82 25,953]

It would be difficult to quantify if we were looking for a single proving instance, but we're just seeing if the avg career of the "usual suspects" is longer.

 

I get that. But how are you going to do that? The majority of stars over the last 15 years were straight out of high school or one and done. 20-30 years ago you stayed 3-4 years. Big difference. Say they missed out on just 3 years. That's a potential for 7200 minutes at just 30 mpg.

 

 

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[Tom White 1,435]

Bird,, Magic and Thomas weren't some of the best from that generation?

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Replace the word "best" with "most appropriate".

[woodenshoemanHoosierfan 6,545]

Replace the word "best" with "most appropriate".

So who was better?

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[LamarCheeks 21,189]

OK. Now that I've read a boatload on Magic Johnson, Larry Bird, Isiah Thomas, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Paul Pierce, LeBron James, Vince Carter, Kevin Garnett, etc., does anybody know what's going on with Robert Johnson -- the IU guy who may or may not be back in B-Town next season? 

[Uspshoosier 51,486]

Bryant at combine: "I knew from the start that I didn't want to go back to school. No disrespect to our new coach at all or coach Crean."

@insidethehall

 

Bryant said he views IU's struggles this past season as a "blessing in disguise because it made us mentally tough." #iubb

 

 

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[WayneFleekHoosier 50,074]

Bryant at combine: "I knew from the start that I didn't want to go back to school. No disrespect to our new coach at all or coach Crean."
@insidethehall


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Hence, not going to class. These guys were all NBA bound to start the season. All out for themselves for the most part. I'd be embarrassed if I had 3
NBA talents and finish 10th in the B1G. I pretty much always root for Hoosiers for life (unless off court issues) and these guys are no different. I just wish they were actually successful in college.



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[Uspshoosier 51,486]

Bryant on Archie Miller: "He's a great guy. And I feel like he's going to help Indiana University a lot with the basketball program." #iubb


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[Class of '66 Old Fart 88,087]

22 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

 

Bryant said he views IU's struggles this past season as a "blessing in disguise because it made us mentally tough." #iubb

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I guess TB and I have a different definition for "mentally tough" because I didn't see it.

[Aaron 4,386]

Just as I suspected the 3 guys we lost were leaving no matter what so we will end up with the exact same roster whether we made coaching change or not.

Also Jerod Morris said on his weekly Assembly Call he is hearing 60-40 that Robert comes back. I believe him far more than any faceless twitter poster. That's lower than I would hope but odds still in our favor. 

[LamarCheeks 21,189]

41 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

Bryant at combine: "I knew from the start that I didn't want to go back to school. No disrespect to our new coach at all or coach Crean."

@insidethehall

 

Then why not do what OG did and say immediately that he wasn't coming back? Seems kinda silly to me to keep everybody waiting if he already knew what his decision was.