TOM CREAN FIRED

[theriverpilot 5,593]

Just kidding kinda but, maybe he wants to actually Coach again. At OKC, it's give the ball to Westbrook and let him go to work. That's about it.

I'm not being completely serious but part of me wonders about this dynamic.


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I see Donovan being more of a teacher than a monitor. That alone would make the college game more appealing to him. No sources, just an observation. And you're right; he's just rolling the ball out to Westbrook. Probably not very fulfilling


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[HoosierTrav 7,764]

Billy Donovan is an obvious answer.  Doesn't make him "the" answer.   I think he's an obvious, but pretty short-sighted answer.  What makes anyone think he'd leave the Thunder to come to Indiana?  He's no more likely to leave than Brad Stevens is.  He's got 3 years left on a $30 million contract.  What makes anyone think he'd drop that to come to Indiana?  He's a name.  We all know who he is.   Does not make him the right guy to go after.  

He's just the next guy after Stevens since we know Stevens isn't coming.    Anyone who says "then there is no answer" sells the coaching community way short.  You guys think we need a big name?  Like Crean?  Or Sampson?    Those were big names, too.   Billy Donovan is not coming to Indiana.  Oh, and I could not care LESS how many NIT's a guy's won.   Laugh all you want.  You're not doing anything but name dropping.   What happens when Donovan's name goes the way of Stevens'?   Will the next guy be "the right guy" in your eyes because we've all heard of him and he has credentials you can name?  

Billy Donovan has credentials.  That is completely irrelevant to whether or not he is the right answer at Indiana.  So go on and "lol."   He's not coming, so he's not the answer.

Explain to me how he is NOT the right answer at Indiana. Everything about his resume in college (and now the NBA) screams homerun hire. I agree that he's not likely to coach Indiana but I'm not convinced that it's due to his not wanting to entertain the idea of taking this job......and seriously.... Crean and Sampson's names aren't in the same galaxy as Billy Donovan's.

[theriverpilot 5,593]

I'm quite a bit toward Old Friend's mindset here.
My take? Billy Donovan might be one of the right answers, but he is most certainly not "the" answer, is not the only right answer, and IMO, probably is not the best answer.
Who is the best choice? Above my pay grade.

I get what he's trying to say as well BUT...some "answers" are more right than others. Donovan, IMO, is more right than the others.

Also, what's the question? Do you want a better coach than Crean? Lots of right answers there. Do you want IU to be consistent and Final 4 capable again. Then the right answers get less.

Damn, now I'm confused!


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[HoosierTrav 7,764]

I believe he's more likely (WAY more likely) than Stevens because his team is wayyyyyy closer to being awful than the Celtics are. The Celtics are stacked and will be for a LONG time and the Thunder are Russell Westbrook away from being deep in the lottery. So for that reason I don't think it's that crazy. He thought he was signing up for KD and Westbrook, when in reality he'll end up with his best player being Vic or Steven Adams in a year or so.

To your other points, I'm not really sure what they are to be honest. It's like you're mad that people want to shoot for the stars with our next hire. You're good at telling other people they're stupid for wanting a great (and he is great) coach, so who is "the" answer in your eyes? Genuinely curious.


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Amen! If he's not a good fit at Indiana, then who is? And you can't say Bob Knight or Brad Stevens.

[Hovadipo 55,359]

Amen! If he's not a good fit at Indiana, then who is? And you can't say Bob Knight or Brad Stevens.

Bob Stevens


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[BGleas 7,880]

Not to speak for him, but I think Old Friends point is that IU doesn't need a Billy Donovan type hire to be successful and get where we all want the program to be. We need someone that understands the landscape/culture of IU, the greater mid-west recruiting landscape and can just flat out coach the game. We need a basketball X's/O's coach that understands recruiting and kids in Indiana, Ohio, Michigan, etc.  

I personally think Donovan could be great at IU, but there are other guys who could as well. 

[Hovadipo 55,359]

I'm quite a bit toward Old Friend's mindset here.
My take? Billy Donovan might be one of the right answers, but he is most certainly not "the" answer, is not the only right answer, and IMO, probably is not the best answer.
Who is the best choice? Above my pay grade.

Are you telling me that a conflicting point can be made on this site without talking to other people like 12 year olds that just wrecked the family minivan into the garage?


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[mdn82 25,510]

Whew. That was a lot to take in. #FireCreanIn17


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[HoosierTrav 7,764]

If IU could pull Donovan I'd change my avatar to a Justin Bieber for a month.

If Indiana landed Donovan, I'd change my avatar to Donovan for life.

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5 minutes ago, BGleas said:

Not to speak for him, but I think Old Friends point is that IU doesn't need a Billy Donovan type hire to be successful and get where we all want the program to be. We need someone that understands the landscape/culture of IU, the greater mid-west recruiting landscape and can just flat out coach the game. We need a basketball X's/O's coach that understands recruiting and kids in Indiana, Ohio, Michigan, etc.  

I personally think Donovan could be great at IU, but there are other guys who could as well. 

This was my take as well.  

[Ryno6284 2,628]

1 hour ago, Old Friend said:

Billy Donovan is an obvious answer.  Doesn't make him "the" answer.   I think he's an obvious, but pretty short-sighted answer.  What makes anyone think he'd leave the Thunder to come to Indiana?  He's no more likely to leave than Brad Stevens is.  He's got 3 years left on a $30 million contract.  What makes anyone think he'd drop that to come to Indiana?  He's a name.  We all know who he is.   Does not make him the right guy to go after.  

He's just the next guy after Stevens since we know Stevens isn't coming.    Anyone who says "then there is no answer" sells the coaching community way short.  You guys think we need a big name?  Like Crean?  Or Sampson?    Those were big names, too.   Billy Donovan is not coming to Indiana.  Oh, and I could not care LESS how many NIT's a guy's won.   Laugh all you want.  You're not doing anything but name dropping.   What happens when Donovan's name goes the way of Stevens'?   Will the next guy be "the right guy" in your eyes because we've all heard of him and he has credentials you can name?  

Billy Donovan has credentials.  That is completely irrelevant to whether or not he is the right answer at Indiana.  So go on and "lol."   He's not coming, so he's not the answer.

I don't think he comes here either.  I would go the way of Archie, or Holtmann for 5-6 years and if that doesn't work out, maybe Brad will be ready to leave Boston! 

One thing we can all agree on is that Crean needs to go after this season!  After that fact, it is all up for debate!

[LIHoosier 26,015]

CTC has contracted Bill Lynch syndrome.

 

[8bucks 6,383]

Not to speak for him, but I think Old Friends point is that IU doesn't need a Billy Donovan type hire to be successful and get where we all want the program to be. We need someone that understands the landscape/culture of IU, the greater mid-west recruiting landscape and can just flat out coach the game. We need a basketball X's/O's coach that understands recruiting and kids in Indiana, Ohio, Michigan, etc.  

 

I personally think Donovan could be great at IU, but there are other guys who could as well. 

 

Chris Collins "I love Indiana basketball, at the high school, grassroots (levels)." When asked about McIntosh beating Indiana

 

Not saying he is the guy but it would be a good idea for the next coach to really understand this. You don't need all Indiana kids but there are a lot to consider

[johnsoniu 6,324]

1 minute ago, LIHoosier said:

CTC has contracted Bill Lynch syndrome.

 

lol my exact reaction.

[HoosierTrav 7,764]

Chris Collins "I love Indiana basketball, at the high school, grassroots (levels)." When asked about McIntosh beating Indiana

 

Not saying he is the guy but it would be a good idea for the next coach to really understand this. You don't need all Indiana kids but there are a lot to consider

I actually love the idea of Collins at IU. It's hard for anyone to win at Northwestern. He's recruited well and turned them around in short order. He's one of those guys that I view as a "homerun" in regards to young guys on the rise. I feel like Collins and Archie could really do some damage at Indiana. I'd prefer we did everything we possibly could to lure Donovan to IU but I'd be happy and reinvigorated with Collins as the next man up.

[Hoosier Guy 7,529]

5 minutes ago, 8bucks said:

Chris Collins "I love Indiana basketball, at the high school, grassroots (levels)." When asked about McIntosh beating Indiana

 

Not saying he is the guy but it would be a good idea for the next coach to really understand this. You don't need all Indiana kids but there are a lot to consider

Absolutely. This is why a guy like Collins could be better in some ways than Donovan. You have to recruit this state to consistently succeed at IU. Collins would do that very well imo. Stevens and Donovan are the home run hires, but it's not doomsday if IU doesn't get either one

[Hoosierfan2017 21,080]

2 minutes ago, HoosierTrav said:

 

I actually love the idea of Collins at IU. It's hard for anyone to win at Northwestern. He's recruited well and turned them around in short order. He's one of those guys that I view as a "homerun" in regards to young guys on the rise. I feel like Collins and Archie could really do some damage at Indiana. I'd prefer we did everything we possibly could to lure Donovan to IU but I'd be happy and reinvigorated with Collins as the next man up.

 

My only worry with Collins would be him bolting for Duke if the job was available. Other than that I would be pleased.  

[Hoosier Guy 7,529]

3 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

My only worry with Collins would be him bolting for Duke if the job was available. Other than that I would be pleased.  

If he has the type of success that we envision at IU, I don't think he would bolt

[Yogi'sBicep 1,048]

25 minutes ago, HoosierTrav said:

 

Amen! If he's not a good fit at Indiana, then who is? And you can't say Bob Knight or Brad Stevens.

 

Bob Stevens

 Brad Knight

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26 minutes ago, Hovadipo said:

 

Bob Stevens


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Didn't see your post, my bad