TOM CREAN FIRED

[Stuhoo 88,792]

I personally like what Jacobsen has don at N. Iowa. But, he has turned down other jobs to stay.

No thank you; he relies on a run and gun 3 point oriented offense due to lesser talents.
That is not often effective at a high major with bigger, better athletes. Reminds me of Shaka or Groce.

[mdn82 26,344]

I'm not saying Miller is head and shoulders above Crean but he has more tourney wins, better tourney win %, and a conference tourney title.

Miller has been at Arizona about the same amount of time Crean has been at IU. I don't think any Zona fans would trade their success for IU's in that time period.

I hope we go for a homerun or at least a good coach with upside in recruiting. With DeAndre Ayton, Miller wouldn't leave for the world after this year anyway so it is a moot point. Much like Crean he has hit his ceiling. I would hope this lesson will teach AD that coaching trumps, if there is upside for recruiting.


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[AKHoosier 7,659]

Yeah Ronald Nored would be a great candidate for assistant coach.  I'd like that hire, as I feel like we need some youth and energy out of some of our assistants.

He would be able to identify with 17-18 year old kids, not being that far removed from that period in his life.  He'd be a great addition to our next staff imo.

[GloryDays 6,208]

I should add he had one top 40 ranking, and the rest were right at 10 or most top 5. He isn't going to improve on that. He is a great recruiter, but you see his ceiling. You can't really say if he came here he would get XXXX player and win. He hasn't done it year in and year out with that talent. I would rather swing at a Holtman and see if he could recruit well enough to win with the financial backing IU could provide. You can improve recruiting at a place like IU. You can't improve coach with that many years of data showing who you are. Crean has proved that.


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Amen to that.

[Hovadipo 61,325]

I hope we go for a homerun or at least a good coach with upside in recruiting. With DeAndre Ayton, Miller wouldn't leave for the world after this year anyway so it is a moot point. Much like Crean he has hit his ceiling. I would hope this lesson will teach AD that coaching trumps, if there is upside for recruiting.


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He could always bring Ayton with him lol.


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[WayneFleekHoosier 51,191]

He could always bring Ayton with him lol.


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Indiana with a top 10 player?

Don't cha know we don't want those NBA caliber kids around these parts?


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[AZ Hoosier 10,729]

Indiana with a top 10 player?

Don't cha know we don't want those NBA caliber kids around these parts?


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Heck, if he had TWO top 10 players, Crean might be able to get IU to the Sweet Sixteen. Meh. Fire him NOW.

[TheWatShot 15,458]

7 hours ago, sierracoach said:

if you mean juniors and sophomores, yes. But honestly, at this point I think any extension (either last spring or this coming spring) would essentially be symbolic anyway. Crean's been at IU long enough for Glass, recruits, boosters, and fans to know what he is as a coach. I personally don't think an extension will help him recruit or remove any of his deficiencies as a coach, but I fear Glass does think that way.

He was recruiting for the class of 2017. They would be seniors in 2021. His contract expires in 2020. 

 

Glass is hearing it almost daily from big-time boosters who are fed up, and he's got two more months of it to look forward to. I don't think he wants two more years. He's made good decisions with our other sports (which I know some people pay no attention to and base him solely on what he does for men's basketball). People need to have a little more confidence that our fanbase will be heard. We could go into next season with no McDonald's All-Americans on our roster. The last time that happened was the year before Cody Zeller came aboard. I'd love to hear Glass try to explain an extension under those circumstances. He couldn't, which is why I don't think he will. The writing is on the wall. The Crean era is ending. 

[Brass Cannon 25,380]

10 minutes ago, TheWatShot said:

He was recruiting for the class of 2017. They would be seniors in 2021. His contract expires in 2020. 

 

Glass is hearing it almost daily from big-time boosters who are fed up, and he's got two more months of it to look forward to. I don't think he wants two more years. He's made good decisions with our other sports (which I know some people pay no attention to and base him solely on what he does for men's basketball). People need to have a little more confidence that our fanbase will be heard. We could go into next season with no McDonald's All-Americans on our roster. The last time that happened was the year before Cody Zeller came aboard. I'd love to hear Glass try to explain an extension under those circumstances. He couldn't, which is why I don't think he will. The writing is on the wall. The Crean era is ending. 

Crean was originally focused on kids unlikely to play their senior year at IU. And we struck out on them. 

To be fair regardless of ability few of our kids reach their senior year. 

[sierracoach 66]

2 hours ago, TheWatShot said:

He was recruiting for the class of 2017. They would be seniors in 2021. His contract expires in 2020.

 

Glass is hearing it almost daily from big-time boosters who are fed up, and he's got two more months of it to look forward to. I don't think he wants two more years. He's made good decisions with our other sports (which I know some people pay no attention to and base him solely on what he does for men's basketball). People need to have a little more confidence that our fanbase will be heard. We could go into next season with no McDonald's All-Americans on our roster. The last time that happened was the year before Cody Zeller came aboard. I'd love to hear Glass try to explain an extension under those circumstances. He couldn't, which is why I don't think he will. The writing is on the wall. The Crean era is ending. 

As I already mentioned above, Crean's contract expires in June of 2020. And the buyout drops down to $1 Mil on July 1st. If Glass were going to extend Crean last year, I think it likely would've been in the spring, probably as soon as the season was over.

I find it hard to imagine that Glass would even contemplate a change unless he felt he had his replacement "in the pipeline" and I don't see any of the big-name guys being interested at this time (my definition of big-name being Stevens, Donovan and Marshall, and I fear Marshall may have "too much Kevin Wilson" in him to make Glass comfortable).

So unless someone like Self is bored at Kansas, that would leave the up-and-comers like Holtmann, Mack and A. Miller. Any or all of whom might be interested, but all with records pretty similar to Crean's at Marquette (and without a FF). In which case Glass is faced with either gambling with retaining and extending Crean, or gambling on one of these guys being able to improve on Crean's IU record.

Who knows, maybe Self (or Wright?) feels he's done all he can at his current stop and wants a new challenge. Maybe Stevens has an epiphany and decides "I don't want to wait for LeBron to retire" or Donovan says "already lost Durant and may lose Westbrook to the Lakers in 2018; wonder if any college program needs a new head coach?"

[HoosierTrav 8,304]

Indiana with a top 10 player?

Don't cha know we don't want those NBA caliber kids around these parts?


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A top 10 player rarely impacts winning a national championship unless you can pair him with multiple others in his class.

[southsidehoosier 5,149]

 

Glass is hearing it almost daily from big-time boosters who are fed up, and he's got two more months of it to look forward to. I don't think he wants two more years. He's made good decisions with our other sports (which I know some people pay no attention to and base him solely on what he does for men's basketball). People need to have a little more confidence that our fanbase will be heard.

I didn't know Glass was hearing it that much from the boosters. Is that info coming from someone other than Janitor?


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[Stuhoo 88,792]

I didn't know Glass was hearing it that much from the boosters. Is that info coming from someone other than Janitor?


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It's coming from relatively connected posters in every major IU board, and a Chicago sports talk host just posted an article about CTC and Groce drawing scrutiny:
http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2017/01/20/the-bernstein-brief-2-big-ten-coaches-under-pressure/

[mdn82 26,344]

It's coming from relatively connected posters in every major IU board, and a Chicago sports talk host just posted an article about CTC and Groce drawing scrutiny:
http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2017/01/20/the-bernstein-brief-2-big-ten-coaches-under-pressure/

Yep and there is a different vibe this year, lately when talking to people at the lower levels at games before games. I think many expected us to take another step. Didn't happen. It couldn't have come at a worse time for Crean. You take that with the fact that media wise Glass has praised Crean less and less. You just get the feel he is coaching for his job. As it should be. He never turned the corner. He was given ample time after the rebuild.


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[Alford Bailey 13,208]

1 hour ago, mdn82 said:

Yep and there is a different vibe this year, lately when talking to people at the lower levels at games before games. I think many expected us to take another step. Didn't happen. It couldn't have come at a worse time for Crean. You take that with the fact that media wise Glass has praised Crean less and less. You just get the feel he is coaching for his job. As it should be. He never turned the corner. He was given ample time after the rebuild.


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Sample size is so great now its hard to deny. Gotta think the incoming recruiting class doesnt help Crean. Nor the contant negative barrage on social media. Heck, even I quit the IU fan page on FB. It was brutal.

[Hoosierfan2017 24,655]

1 hour ago, mdn82 said:

Yep and there is a different vibe this year, lately when talking to people at the lower levels at games before games. I think many expected us to take another step. Didn't happen. It couldn't have come at a worse time for Crean. You take that with the fact that media wise Glass has praised Crean less and less. You just get the feel he is coaching for his job. As it should be. He never turned the corner. He was given ample time after the rebuild.


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How does OG's injury factor into things? Will the bar still be set in the same place for Crean the rest of the year?

[MikeRoberts 7,976]

Still think Jay Wright is the home run hire we should be going after. Donovan and Stevens are great but jay is still in college and at a lesser school historically


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[Alford Bailey 13,208]

I think the OG injury excuse will be tried by some, but I think this thing is picking up too much steam for it to matter.

[MikeRoberts 7,976]

Tournament, no tournament will likely be the swinging pendulum for whether he stays or goes. If he squeaks in, even as a 10 seed and loses in the first round, I think he stays. If we don't make the tourney and maybe not even make the NIT, I think the pressure will be too much for him not to be sent packing


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[mdn82 26,344]

How does OG's injury factor into things? Will the bar still be set in the same place for Crean the rest of the year?

You know I don't think it will. We played close to 20 games with OG. We had losses to Fort Wayne, Butler, Wisconsin, Louisville, and Nebraska in this state so far. You can't do that with your "good" team at this school. I think he is a dead man walking unless we see an unforeseen thing the remainder of the year. OG's injury shouldn't factor imo.


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