TOM CREAN FIRED

[KB0 827]

I know they went after Mark Few pretty hard too.

[JSHoosier 20,481]

All of your dreams might be crushed if Noah packs up and leaves for the NBA

If I was him I'd leave just to get out of this clusterf*** of an offense. 

[Buck Naked 451]

I really hate to stir things up here, but what exactly did Crean do last night to deserve the let's fire Crean talk?? I just don't get it. Am I saying he's the man to take us to the promised land? No. I'm just saying you can't fire coaches left and right and BUILD a winning program which was a complete dumpster fire not more than 6 years ago.

 

Look at last night. You can complain about his x's and o's all you want. His sub patterns, whatever. This teams problem is TURNOVERS. Plain and simple. There were 18 last night and what, like, 4 in the final 2 minutes? How many did Crean have? 0. Our three best players, Yogi, Noah and Will accounted for 10 of those 18. So, what should Crean do? Give them a seat on the bench? Well, everybody crapped their pants when he put Marlin, Howard and the gang on the floor. He was booed. Now what? I'm sure he's not teaching to turn the ball over in practice so what should he do???

 

All IU fans need to realize this team isn't any good, yet. They could be in a year or too, but not this year. The immediate impact talent, other than Noah, is just not there. The Movement, outside of Yogi, was a flop. Our back up center transferred mid season. How many of these guys would start, or even get significant playing time on Mich. St, Michigan or Iowa? And as much as we like to point to 27 year old banners and puff our chests out, kids today do not see IU as elite, yet. How many of these superstar freshman of this class were we really in the mix for? You can not rebuild an image in 6 years that took 15 destroy.

 

Like I said, I am NOT suggesting that Crean is the next Knight or Wooden. What I am saying is that as of now I litterally think he is doing the best with what he has.

[yogisballin 2,376]

I'm am so sick of this "next year or two" talk. That's all we've heard in the past 10 years! 

[Indymike7 35]

I really hate to stir things up here, but what exactly did Crean do last night to deserve the let's fire Crean talk?? I just don't get it. Am I saying he's the man to take us to the promised land? No. I'm just saying you can't fire coaches left and right and BUILD a winning program which was a complete dumpster fire not more than 6 years ago.

 

Look at last night. You can complain about his x's and o's all you want. His sub patterns, whatever. This teams problem is TURNOVERS. Plain and simple. There were 18 last night and what, like, 4 in the final 2 minutes? How many did Crean have? 0. Our three best players, Yogi, Noah and Will accounted for 10 of those 18. So, what should Crean do? Give them a seat on the bench? Well, everybody crapped their pants when he put Marlin, Howard and the gang on the floor. He was booed. Now what? I'm sure he's not teaching to turn the ball over in practice so what should he do???

 

All IU fans need to realize this team isn't any good, yet. They could be in a year or too, but not this year. The immediate impact talent, other than Noah, is just not there. The Movement, outside of Yogi, was a flop. Our back up center transferred mid season. How many of these guys would start, or even get significant playing time on Mich. St, Michigan or Iowa? And as much as we like to point to 27 year old banners and puff our chests out, kids today do not see IU as elite, yet. How many of these superstar freshman of this class were we really in the mix for? You can not rebuild an image in 6 years that took 15 destroy.

 

Like I said, I am NOT suggesting that Crean is the next Knight or Wooden. What I am saying is that as of now I litterally think he is doing the best with what he has.

Coach is the one teaching the guys how to play, tells them what to do and decides who should be playing when.  If they aren't following orders, then that reflects poorly on him also.  Come on, he tries to sub someone in with 3 seconds left in the first half and calls a timeout with .3 seconds?  Doesn't seem to want to take advantage of having Noah?  Why doesn't Crean teach him a hook shot? Clearly unaware of his surroundings and what adjustments it takes to win.

[Hwy 1 2,053]

I really hate to stir things up here, but what exactly did Crean do last night to deserve the let's fire Crean talk?? I just don't get it. Am I saying he's the man to take us to the promised land? No. I'm just saying you can't fire coaches left and right and BUILD a winning program which was a complete dumpster fire not more than 6 years ago.

 

Look at last night. You can complain about his x's and o's all you want. His sub patterns, whatever. This teams problem is TURNOVERS. Plain and simple. There were 18 last night and what, like, 4 in the final 2 minutes? How many did Crean have? 0. Our three best players, Yogi, Noah and Will accounted for 10 of those 18. So, what should Crean do? Give them a seat on the bench? Well, everybody crapped their pants when he put Marlin, Howard and the gang on the floor. He was booed. Now what? I'm sure he's not teaching to turn the ball over in practice so what should he do???

 

All IU fans need to realize this team isn't any good, yet. They could be in a year or too, but not this year. The immediate impact talent, other than Noah, is just not there. The Movement, outside of Yogi, was a flop. Our back up center transferred mid season. How many of these guys would start, or even get significant playing time on Mich. St, Michigan or Iowa? And as much as we like to point to 27 year old banners and puff our chests out, kids today do not see IU as elite, yet. How many of these superstar freshman of this class were we really in the mix for? You can not rebuild an image in 6 years that took 15 destroy.

 

Like I said, I am NOT suggesting that Crean is the next Knight or Wooden. What I am saying is that as of now I litterally think he is doing the best with what he has.

 

 

This was absolutely a great post.

[IU Hoosier41 14,465]

[quote name="Buck Naked" post="37879" timestamp="1392296105"]

Look at last night. You can complain about his x's and o's all you want. His sub patterns, whatever. This teams problem is TURNOVERS. Plain and simple. There were 18 last night and what, like, 4 in the final 2 minutes? How many did Crean have? 0.[/quote]

First off, I agree with your overall message. The hate right now has built up over the last few years piece by piece. I would argue that Crean did have turnovers in the last 2 minutes. Not running good enough inbounds plays, offensive sets should lead straight to Crean. Maybe he drew up perfect plays and the team just didn't execute them, who knows. Clearly the team choked last night, but a lot of that falls on Crean in my opinion.

He got out couched last night in the last 5 minutes of the game. That's hard for anyone to deny. There were 3 instances towards the end of the game where Crean called a timeout to set up a play and we turned it over on the inbounds on two of those. That's getting out coached 100% right there.

I agree you don't fire him based off of last night or just this season. It's just a trend that isn't looking good.


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[BlueDevil 8,791]

[quote name="Indymike7" post="37882" timestamp="1392296561"]Coach is the one teaching the guys how to play, tells them what to do and decides who should be playing when. If they aren't following orders, then that reflects poorly on him also. Come on, he tries to sub someone in with 3 seconds left in the first half and calls a timeout with .3 seconds? Doesn't seem to want to take advantage of having Noah? Why doesn't Crean teach him a hook shot? Clearly unaware of his surroundings and what adjustments it takes to win.[/quote]

I agree with you man. He isn't doing a good job correcting the turnovers. His sub patterns are god awful and he looks lost in the second half of games. Hell he blames everyone but himself after the game.

[Hoosierboy1980 451]

[quote name="Buck Naked" post="37879" timestamp="1392296105"]I really hate to stir things up here, but what exactly did Crean do last night to deserve the let's fire Crean talk?? I just don't get it. Am I saying he's the man to take us to the promised land? No. I'm just saying you can't fire coaches left and right and BUILD a winning program which was a complete dumpster fire not more than 6 years ago.

Look at last night. You can complain about his x's and o's all you want. His sub patterns, whatever. This teams problem is TURNOVERS. Plain and simple. There were 18 last night and what, like, 4 in the final 2 minutes? How many did Crean have? 0. Our three best players, Yogi, Noah and Will accounted for 10 of those 18. So, what should Crean do? Give them a seat on the bench? Well, everybody crapped their pants when he put Marlin, Howard and the gang on the floor. He was booed. Now what? I'm sure he's not teaching to turn the ball over in practice so what should he do???

All IU fans need to realize this team isn't any good, yet. They could be in a year or too, but not this year. The immediate impact talent, other than Noah, is just not there. The Movement, outside of Yogi, was a flop. Our back up center transferred mid season. How many of these guys would start, or even get significant playing time on Mich. St, Michigan or Iowa? And as much as we like to point to 27 year old banners and puff our chests out, kids today do not see IU as elite, yet. How many of these superstar freshman of this class were we really in the mix for? You can not rebuild an image in 6 years that took 15 destroy.

Like I said, I am NOT suggesting that Crean is the next Knight or Wooden. What I am saying is that as of now I litterally think he is doing the best with what he has.[/quote]Well said I think they just always like to have someone to blame if it's not Crean it will be the next coach. They just can't accept the situation for what it is. So it's gotta be CTC's fault. Makes me not even want to come on here and read this crap so much negativity but I like your post


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[Hwy 1 2,053]

First off, I agree with your overall message. The hate right now has built up over the last few years piece by piece. I would argue that Crean did have turnovers in the last 2 minutes. Not running good enough inbounds plays, offensive sets should lead straight to Crean. Maybe he drew up perfect plays and the team just didn't execute them, who knows. Clearly the team choked last night, but a lot of that falls on Crean in my opinion.

He got out couched last night in the last 5 minutes of the game. That's hard for anyone to deny. There were 3 instances towards the end of the game where Crean called a timeout to set up a play and we turned it over on the inbounds on two of those. That's getting out coached 100% right there.

I agree you don't fire him based off of last night or just this season. It's just a trend that isn't looking good.


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I got out couched last night too. Soon to be ex no. 17 crashed there before I could. I had to take the bed. Oh well, her dog still loves me

[FortWayneHoosier 6,246]

I really hate to stir things up here, but what exactly did Crean do last night to deserve the let's fire Crean talk?? I just don't get it. Am I saying he's the man to take us to the promised land? No. I'm just saying you can't fire coaches left and right and BUILD a winning program which was a complete dumpster fire not more than 6 years ago.

 

Look at last night. You can complain about his x's and o's all you want. His sub patterns, whatever. This teams problem is TURNOVERS. Plain and simple. There were 18 last night and what, like, 4 in the final 2 minutes? How many did Crean have? 0. Our three best players, Yogi, Noah and Will accounted for 10 of those 18. So, what should Crean do? Give them a seat on the bench? Well, everybody crapped their pants when he put Marlin, Howard and the gang on the floor. He was booed. Now what? I'm sure he's not teaching to turn the ball over in practice so what should he do???

 

All IU fans need to realize this team isn't any good, yet. They could be in a year or too, but not this year. The immediate impact talent, other than Noah, is just not there. The Movement, outside of Yogi, was a flop. Our back up center transferred mid season. How many of these guys would start, or even get significant playing time on Mich. St, Michigan or Iowa? And as much as we like to point to 27 year old banners and puff our chests out, kids today do not see IU as elite, yet. How many of these superstar freshman of this class were we really in the mix for? You can not rebuild an image in 6 years that took 15 destroy.

 

Like I said, I am NOT suggesting that Crean is the next Knight or Wooden. What I am saying is that as of now I litterally think he is doing the best with what he has.

thank you!, i only read the first sentence and i didnt need to read any more, im sorry but those last few minutes were the players fault, especially wills inbound pass. The coach cannot control everything 

[eddiejames 25]

Coming late to the party here, but I wanted to jump in and give my two cents on the #firetomcrean bandwagon.

 

It's a very clear cut case of Talent vs. Coaching.  I would argue that this group is pretty talented.  Saying they "aren't very good yet" is a complete cop-out to the facts.  Noah, Troy, Yogi, Stan, Sheehey is a starting 5 that half the teams in the league would salivate over.  These guys are really good (see - Wisconsin, Michigan).  

 

So let's now turn our attention to Coaching.  In more then 20 occasions we can all say while watching a game we've made this statement "Why is ______ on the bench", "Why has ______ sat out for almost 8 minutes?"  This is bad coaching, subbing out for someone who just made a great steal, block, or shot is a horrible way to manage a game.  Another point here is our inability to inbound the ball, garnish points out of timeouts, play to win the game (not to hold the ball for shot clock violations), and break a press.  Those are fundamentals of coaching that I just don't see in Crean.

 

Do I think Crean was the right guy for the job?  YES!  He brought a passion and fan base back to it's feet after being punched in the mouth.  Do I think that we will EVER win a NC under Crean.  Personally - NO.  Inevitably they will be matched up against a team that will throw something at him that we can't handle or coach our way out of.  I want him to succeed here, but enough is enough.  This team is TOO TALENTED to keep having these games against bottom dweller teams.

[IU Hoosier41 14,465]

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Reminds me of my grand theft auto days running over someone reversing over them again and then peeling out on them to get away from the cops. Brutal huh.

[HoosierRob 1,042]

Not going to happen


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[IU Hoosier41 14,465]

[quote name="eddiejames" post="37892" timestamp="1392298812"]Coming late to the party here, but I wanted to jump in and give my two cents on the #firetomcrean bandwagon.

It's a very clear cut case of Talent vs. Coaching. I would argue that this group is pretty talented. Saying they "aren't very good yet" is a complete cop-out to the facts. Noah, Troy, Yogi, Stan, Sheehey is a starting 5 that half the teams in the league would salivate over. These guys are really good (see - Wisconsin, Michigan).

So let's now turn our attention to Coaching. In more then 20 occasions we can all say while watching a game we've made this statement "Why is ______ on the bench", "Why has ______ sat out for almost 8 minutes?" This is bad coaching, subbing out for someone who just made a great steal, block, or shot is a horrible way to manage a game. Another point here is our inability to inbound the ball, garnish points out of timeouts, play to win the game (not to hold the ball for shot clock violations), and break a press. Those are fundamentals of coaching that I just don't see in Crean.

Do I think Crean was the right guy for the job? YES! He brought a passion and fan base back to it's feet after being punched in the mouth. Do I think that we will EVER win a NC under Crean. Personally - NO. Inevitably they will be matched up against a team that will throw something at him that we can't handle or coach our way out of. I want him to succeed here, but enough is enough. This team is TOO TALENTED to keep having these games against bottom dweller teams.[/quote]

First off, welcome to the site. KILLER first post. You e set the bar high for your second post :)

Now to business, I'm curious what your thoughts would be on Kentucky then. They won the National Championship, unloaded their entire team and wound up in the NIT the following season. Is that bad coaching too? They had more talent than this Indiana team, but found the NIT after a championship.

I agree Crean has his issues, but youth of this team is a real thing. It's easy to get carried away with our team when we had guys start for 4 years in Hulls, Watford group.


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[Rayl 527]

I really hate to stir things up here, but what exactly did Crean do last night to deserve the let's fire Crean talk?? I just don't get it. Am I saying he's the man to take us to the promised land? No. I'm just saying you can't fire coaches left and right and BUILD a winning program which was a complete dumpster fire not more than 6 years ago.

 

Look at last night. You can complain about his x's and o's all you want. His sub patterns, whatever. This teams problem is TURNOVERS. Plain and simple. There were 18 last night and what, like, 4 in the final 2 minutes? How many did Crean have? 0. Our three best players, Yogi, Noah and Will accounted for 10 of those 18. So, what should Crean do? Give them a seat on the bench? Well, everybody crapped their pants when he put Marlin, Howard and the gang on the floor. He was booed. Now what? I'm sure he's not teaching to turn the ball over in practice so what should he do???

 

All IU fans need to realize this team isn't any good, yet. They could be in a year or too, but not this year. The immediate impact talent, other than Noah, is just not there. The Movement, outside of Yogi, was a flop. Our back up center transferred mid season. How many of these guys would start, or even get significant playing time on Mich. St, Michigan or Iowa? And as much as we like to point to 27 year old banners and puff our chests out, kids today do not see IU as elite, yet. How many of these superstar freshman of this class were we really in the mix for? You can not rebuild an image in 6 years that took 15 destroy.

 

Like I said, I am NOT suggesting that Crean is the next Knight or Wooden. What I am saying is that as of now I litterally think he is doing the best with what he has.

 

How patient do we need to be? How many years do we wait to fire Crean before we aren't firing coaches left and right?

 

At the conclusion of this season, Tom Crean will have coached more games and as many years at Indiana as any coach who is not in the Hall of Fame. We've been just as patient with Crean as we were with Lou Watson and Mike Davis. They both won conference chanmpionships too.

 

Now, obviously, Dean, McCracken and Knight did not enter the Hall of Fame in six years. (Although, they were all more successful than Crean in their first six years.)

 

The question is does anyone think Tom Crean will be in the Hall of Fame someday? I think most college basketball fans not affiliated with IU would find that laughable, but perhaps some IU fans still think it's possible. If it is a realistic possibility, then OK, be more patient.

 

However, if we have already concluded that Tom Crean is not going to be a Hall of Fame coach, then what are we waiting for? I think six years is enough to evaluate his overall coaching ability. I find him lacking in that regard. Our history suggests that we have been as patient with him as it is reasonable to expect. We might have to wait for financial reasons, but for basketball reasons the sooner we replace Crean, the sooner we have a chance to find a coach who is up to the standards set by our former great coaches.

[schoosier 3,515]

Is it just me or does Crean at IU remind anyone Gillespie at uk

I was thinking this same thing and how many years did that last? Granted, he had a huge drinking problem which only sped up the inevitable. As far as our situation, I say we cut our losses and buy him out. Nothing but good things to say except come game time. The beauty and/or curse of coaching at IU is you have the most passionate and knowledgeable basketball fans anywhere. Its beautiful when your winning and a curse when everyone in the stands can see how horrible your actual coaching is. You just can't fake it here; the coach speak bs doesn't work. When your fans understand more of what's going on in a game than the man getting paid 2 mil a year, isn't that a referendum on his tenure? Crean not only has lost this team but also our alumni and fans. Instead of just booing his sub patterns mid game, we are actually booing the product at the end of them too. And I have never heard that even during the mike Davis years.

[Uwe Robb 1,072]

When referring to Crean's coaching ability why is everyone referencing this years team? I was much more upset about his inability to coach last years team, the #1 overall seed in the tournament past the Sweet 16.

[TrueHoosier62 1,593]

Crean isn't the answer here. Once you accept that fact, then the solution is simple. You let him go.

This isn't and shouldn't be a case of where we were, or where we are by comparison. The only question should be, "Do you believe coach Tom Crean can win a championship at Indiana"? If the answer is "No", or "I doubt it", or even, "I'm not sure", then you have to move on from him. This isn't Purdue we're talking about, it's Indiana. Purdue bases their hires and retains on the "hope and wish" approach to life. When you've won multiple national championships as we have, you don't settle for "hope and wish"; you go after someone you KNOW will have damn good shot of bringing home another banner. Tom Crean has done all he can, and we ought to be thankful for taking us this far, but truthfully, this is as far as he's capable of taking us. He has stopped the bleeding and allowed many of us to feel good about IU basketball again, but his snake oil salesman pitches, and his rah rah chants have worn thin. Instead of listening to his weekly tripe, people are beginning to see that the product on the floor these days is simply not very good.