TOM CREAN FIRED

[Yogi's Picnic Basket 5,004]

My buddy who is a Notre Dame fan texted me out of nowhere the other day and just said "Hoiberg is your next coach" so at least others outside of IU circles are seeing there is a need for change

Fox News talked about some colleges planning on reaching out to Hoiberg if returning next year to Chicago seems unlikely. Didn't name any schools, but said it will likely be a big name school. It seems like this could pick up steam if we head towards a new coach. I don't know how he would fit, but I actually like Hoiberg a lot. Just don't know about for us.

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[Brass Cannon 24,222]

I really don't want FH. Dude never had a top 50 defense. I want somebody that can coach defense please lord. 

[Yogi's Picnic Basket 5,004]

I really don't want FH. Dude never had a top 50 defense. I want somebody that can coach defense please lord. 

I get that trust me. Idk though when I actually picture him here I like it for some reason. He hasn't been a coach for a long time and he is still growing. Has respect in every circle. Good recruiter and developer. Good or bad if he can deal with Rondo, Wade and Butler and before Rose and Noah then I think college kids will be a piece of cake. If he could bring in a big time defensive coach on the staff and is willing to accept help I could get on board. Stevens and Donovan are pipe dreams. After those two Hoiberg is just as good as others we can get. I would take Bennett over him though.

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[TheWatShot 13,634]

Any reason to believe Donovan is a pipe dream?

[Yogi's Picnic Basket 5,004]

Any reason to believe Donovan is a pipe dream?

There was a lot of talks of him going back to college if NBA doesn't work out. He has definitely worked out and if KD hadn't choked he would probably have a ring of very close to it. Simple though I have followed OKC for RW and now Vic and one thing is 100% with them...they don't give ya long and if RW leaves they could go a different direction. Scott Brooks built a great foundation only to get fired. I think he is a great NBA coach and probably gets another job without having to come back to college. Donovan likes stability though which is hope for a return to college and we are one of the best jobs besides Duke and possibly UNC in 5 years that can open up. It isn't very likely hence the word dream lol.

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[Yogi's Picnic Basket 5,004]

There was a lot of talks of him going back to college if NBA doesn't work out. He has definitely worked out and if KD hadn't choked he would probably have a ring of very close to it. Simple though I have followed OKC for RW and now Vic and one thing is 100% with them...they don't give ya long and if RW leaves they could go a different direction. Scott Brooks built a great foundation only to get fired. I think he is a great NBA coach and probably gets another job without having to come back to college. Donovan likes stability though which is hope for a return to college and we are one of the best jobs besides Duke and possibly UNC in 5 years that can open up. It isn't very likely hence the word dream lol.

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And please dont mention Russ's extension because after next year he is gone if the Thunder don't make a big move. I love Victor but he isn't a #2 option. He is a #3. They need someone else.

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[TheWatShot 13,634]

I don't really view Donovan as an NBA lifer and could easily see him coming back to college. It wouldn't be easy, but it's possible. He coached at Florida for nearly 20 years, and he even went back after signing a contract with the Magic. Because of that, he wasn't allowed to accept any NBA job for 5 years. Doesn't sound like a guy whose dream is the NBA. I think if the IU job was open, he'd seriously consider it. 

 

Stevens, on the other hand, is more than a pipe dream. Barring some major turn of events, he will never coach here or at any college for a long, long time. He reportedly loves having summers off and hated the recruiting element of college. He also wasn't too thrilled about Butler leaving the Horizon League and having to recruit against bigger schools because of all the cheating that goes on in recruiting. 

 

I would love Donovan or Bennett. Those need to be our top two targets. 

[HoosierTrav 7,731]

I don't really view Donovan as an NBA lifer and could easily see him coming back to college. It wouldn't be easy, but it's possible. He coached at Florida for nearly 20 years, and he even went back after signing a contract with the Magic. Because of that, he wasn't allowed to accept any NBA job for 5 years. Doesn't sound like a guy whose dream is the NBA. I think if the IU job was open, he'd seriously consider it. 

 

Stevens, on the other hand, is more than a pipe dream. Barring some major turn of events, he will never coach here or at any college for a long, long time. He reportedly loves having summers off and hated the recruiting element of college. He also wasn't too thrilled about Butler leaving the Horizon League and having to recruit against bigger schools because of all the cheating that goes on in recruiting. 

 

I would love Donovan or Bennett. Those need to be our top two targets. 

Stevens clarified in an interview with Dan Patrick that he actually loved recruiting. Not sure where that rumor came up from but it's false.

[Gahoosierfan 272]

This has been another Crean season. Its been pretty depressing since the Ft Wayne game. I knew then that things were going to go terribly wrong. I would love to be able to see into the future and know Crean's status. I do have to believe that Glass is feeling extreme heat from the alumni, fans, general public, and most importantly the trustees. I am optimistic that he is finally ready to make a change. I believe he is trying to remain positive in his public comments to help recruiting , but planning in private for Crean's invevitable departure. Fingers crossed !

 

[Class of '66 Old Fart 83,852]

After last night's beatdown by Michigan:

"The turnovers are a joke, and that all should fall on me. So, don't even bother ripping them, just look at me."

- Tom Izzo

 

 

 

Don't recall ever hearing CTC say anthing like this after a loss.

 

 

 

[Trish 11,505]

8 hours ago, HoosierTrav said:

 

Stevens clarified in an interview with Dan Patrick that he actually loved recruiting. Not sure where that rumor came up from but it's false.

 

We all know he's going to be recruiting Gordon Hayward to the Celtics this summer. Stevens coming to Indiana isn't going to happen:(

 

 

[Stuhoo 79,621]

19 minutes ago, Treesh said:

We all know he's going to be recruiting Gordon Hayward to the Celtics this summer. Stevens coming to Indiana isn't going to happen:(

 

 

 

Hoiberg, Marshall, Archie.

I'm guessing that would be the most likely list (and in what order I do not know), if we truly are in search mode after this season.

 

[Josh 12,557]

Why Hoiberg? In 5 years as a college coach, his highlight is one Sweet 16. Don't we want an upgrade from Crean?

FIRE HIM! This is embarrassing

[Stuhoo 79,621]

16 minutes ago, Josh said:

Why Hoiberg? In 5 years as a college coach, his highlight is one Sweet 16. Don't we want an upgrade from Crean?

FIRE HIM! This is embarrassing
 

 

Excellent job at Iowa State; getting to the Sweet Sixteen and winning 23+ games per season there is no small task, and is an upgrade from CTC's results.

Iowa State Cyclones (Big 12 Conference) (2010–2015)

• 2010–11 Iowa State 16–16, 3–13 in conference
• 2011–12 Iowa State 23–11, 12–6 in conference, NCAA Round of 32
• 2012–13 Iowa State 23–12, 11–7 in conference, NCAA Round of 32
• 2013–14 Iowa State 28–8 11–7 in conference, NCAA Sweet Sixteen
• 2014–15 Iowa State 25–9, 12–6 in conference, NCAA Round of 64
• Total at Iowa State:115–56 (.673) 49–39 in conference (.557)

Pros: Great personality/face of a program. VERY likeable; Indiana high school coaches will be immediately enamored. Young, but not too young; still evolving and improving as a coach. Pro and major conference college head coaching experience. Very detail oriented. Fun, pro-style offensive system that high-end recruits will flock to. Fantastic, yet unblemished recruiter. And, unlike Self, Stevens, Donovan, Sean Miller, and others mentioned...will be available.

Cons: Never had a team that has dominated defensively. Never been a big NCAA tournament success. 

 

Chart of Iowa State since 2000, with Hoiberg's 2010-2015 period far and away the most productive:

Season Records

Season	Overall	Conference
2001	25–6	13–3
2002	12–19	4–12
2003	17–14	5–11
2004	20–13	7–9
2005	19–12	9–7
2006	16–14	6–10
2007	15–16	6–10
2008	14–18	4–12
2009	15–17	4–12
2010	15–17	4–12
2011	16–16	3–13
2012	23–11	12–6
2013	23–12	11–7
2014	28–8	11–7
2015	25–9	12–6
2016	23–12	10–8
2017	14–8	6-4

 

[Josh 12,557]

Yeah, those cons tho. I want a coach that knows how to win conference titles and make runs in March. Hoiberg has neither. Imo he isn't an upgrade at all.

FIRE HIM! This is embarrassing

[Stuhoo 79,621]

7 minutes ago, Josh said:

Yeah, those cons tho. I want a coach that knows how to win conference titles and make runs in March. Hoiberg has neither. Imo he isn't an upgrade at all.

FIRE HIM! This is embarrassing
 

 

Those two yellow bolded years from the chart are conference tournament championship years.

In my opinion, you need to step back at little bit with candidate performance expectations. Coaches at major conference champion caliber teams that are regularly getting very far in the NCAAs are not looking to move! That's not a knock on IUBB; the Jay Wrights and Bill Selfs of the world are not looking to move anywhere.

 

[Hardwood83 4,727]

2 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

 

Excellent job at Iowa State; getting to the Sweet Sixteen and winning 23+ games per season there is no small task, and is an upgrade from CTC's results.

Iowa State Cyclones (Big 12 Conference) (2010–2015)

• 2010–11 Iowa State 16–16, 3–13 in conference
• 2011–12 Iowa State 23–11, 12–6 in conference, NCAA Round of 32
• 2012–13 Iowa State 23–12, 11–7 in conference, NCAA Round of 32
• 2013–14 Iowa State 28–8 11–7 in conference, NCAA Sweet Sixteen
• 2014–15 Iowa State 25–9, 12–6 in conference, NCAA Round of 64
• Total at Iowa State:115–56 (.673) 49–39 in conference (.557)

Pros: Great personality/face of a program. VERY likeable; Indiana high school coaches will be immediately enamored. Young, but not too young; still evolving and improving as a coach. Pro and major conference college head coaching experience. Very detail oriented. Fun, pro-style offensive system that high-end recruits will flock to. Fantastic, yet unblemished recruiter. And, unlike Self, Stevens, Donovan, Sean Miller, and others mentioned...will be available.

Cons: Never had a team that has dominated defensively. Never been a big NCAA tournament success. 

 

You make a decent case for him being a moderate upgrade. In my opinion IU should only make the move for a "can't miss", home-run type hire. Of course I would like someone that addresses the short-comings of CTC's teams, but unless the new guy is THE ONE to hang a banner, not worth it. Maybe unrealistic, but that is my opinion. Otherwise we'll just be on a treadmill of constantly seeking marginal improvement. I don't see Marshal or especially Hoiberg as that guy.

[Josh 12,557]

Yes, regularly getting far in the tournament is unattainable. But show me some success. If the Sweet 16 is your pinnacle, you should be excluded imo.

FIRE HIM! This is embarrassing

[Stuhoo 79,621]

7 minutes ago, Hardwood83 said:

You make a decent case for him being a moderate upgrade. In my opinion IU should only make the move for a "can't miss", home-run type hire. Of course I would like someone that addresses the short-comings of CTC's teams, but unless the new guy is THE ONE to hang a banner, not worth it. Maybe unrealistic, but that is my opinion. Otherwise we'll just be on a treadmill of constantly seeking marginal improvement. I don't see Marshal or especially Hoiberg as that guy.

 

Well then, under that standard we will have a situation in which:

1. We reach out to Stevens and Donovan annually,
2. They say no annually, and
3. We have Tom Crean as IU's basketball coach indefinitely.

 

[Stuhoo 79,621]

3 minutes ago, Josh said:

Yes, regularly getting far in the tournament is unattainable. But show me some success. If the Sweet 16 is your pinnacle, you should be excluded imo.

FIRE HIM! This is embarrassing
 

 

It was Hoiberg's pinnacle when he inherited a terrible team at IOWA STATE, stayed a total of five years, and never had a team with star quality future-NBA level talent.