TOM CREAN FIRED

[mdn82 25,782]

You guys know the reason we made this "safe haven" was due to firing Crean coming up in every thread. We could have a thread on puppies and it would evolve into firing Crean. That said when this was created it was for back and forth. It wasn't so one side could post viewpoints without retort. If you guys don't want discussion and just want to blog your feelings then we need to change the title. What you guys want is a blog to post your feelings and then only want people that agree with you posting in here. That is not what this is about. I actually agree with some of the issues Brass posted, but at the same time you don't want anything up for discussion. I am surprised that you guys are surprised after beating PU people would question this being the first place to post. What do you guys really want?

Yeah. I get that. I just think a lot of people have just come to expect that there are some that just don't like our coach and have no chance of being happy. They are perplexed by that. I hope you guys can see that too in a thread like this after a win over that team. If you guys don't want discussion or questioning after wins like this we need to relabel the thread into something more appropriate. "We don't want to discuss we just aren't happy with the state of our program no matter what." I think that would be more appropriate if you guys don't want posters questioning why you choose to come here first after that win.

[WayneFleekHoosier 49,856]

. Wanted to clarify. "Wayne" in this case is not the adored WayneFleek. Thanks. OneLove!

[mdn82 25,782]

. Wanted to clarify. "Wayne" in this case is not the adored WayneFleek. Thanks. OneLove!

Lol up vote for that!

[Alford Bailey 12,826]

Nah, I disagree with you. Read some of my posts in here. I'm very much willing to agree with a lot of the complaints, but I find that some people want this to be a "safe zone" for unchallenged opinions. Also, if you look at the game threads, you'll see a healthy mix of compliments and criticisms, and most seem to agree with both sides of the argument.

Finally, a lot of winning is happening, so this thread would be pretty boring if there weren't some challenging posts made :)

So, you see no issue coaching wise with us going from a 19 point lead in total control to clinging to a 2 point lead in the final seconds? I mean if Hammons hand doesn't hit the goal Purdue coulda went for the win.

[Alford Bailey 12,826]

People that don't have any actual comments to add to stay away from the thread. Seriously, Wayne had nothing to add to this thread, yet he felt the need to come here and go after Brass, and then he went after JS to an extent. It is ******* ridiculous the amount of people that absolutely hate this thread, have nothing to add to this discussion yet still feel the need to post here.

 

Honestly the only reason I think you're defending him to this extent is the fact that he is a mod like yourself. You never defended Bicep to this extent, despite neither one of them adding anything to the actual conversation. There is a respectable way to go about coming to this thread and saying what you're going to say, Walking Boot does it every single time he comes here. But coming here and just calling out a comment is ridiculous, then saying that a poster, JS, doesn't post anything but negative comments, which isn't true, is equally ridiculous. Wayne never added anything to this conversation, yet felt the need to post here.

Agree here. I've never understood the personal attacks and its the only thing I don't like about the site.

[mdn82 25,782]

So, you see no issue coaching wise with us going from a 19 point lead in total control to clinging to a 2 point lead in the final seconds? I mean if Hammons hand doesn't hit the goal Purdue coulda went for the win.

I hate we don't have a killer instinct. We just go in stall ball mode. I get us doing that up 15 with 2 or even 3 to play. We were what like 6 or 7 out changing the tempo? That's what annoys me with Crean.

[Alford Bailey 12,826]

I hate we don't have a killer instinct. We just go in stall ball mode. I get us doing that up 15 with 2 or even 3 to play. We were what like 6 or 7 out changing the tempo? That's what annoys me with Crean.

True. With the shortened shot clock now you simply can't stall for 6-7 minutes any more. After what felt like a dominating performance it nearly cost us that game.

[Uspshoosier 50,734]

So, you see no issue coaching wise with us going from a 19 point lead in total control to clinging to a 2 point lead in the final seconds? I mean if Hammons hand doesn't hit the goal Purdue coulda went for the win.

not really I have watched too many other coaches more accomplished then crean and better teams then this Indiana team do the same exact thing. Just off the top of my head this year I watched painter and Purdue blow a 20 point lead in the 2nd half against Iowa and actually lose, I watched Iowa blow a 20 point lead to Iowa st in the 2nd half and lose. I'm watching Maryland today who was once up 16 in the 1st half be down 1 with 8 to play. With the 3 point shot a 16 point lead is nothing in college basketball. I would of loved to extended the lead but i also didn't expect Purdue to hit 7 threes in the last 9 min

[GloryDays 6,070]

Agree here. I've never understood the personal attacks and its the only thing I don't like about the site.

Thats the reason I joined this site and not peegs or one of the others.Lately it seems we're edging closer to the pissing contests you see on those very same forums.Not everyone agrees on CTC's coaching and this is the thread for that discussion.We should really lay off the personal stuff,we're better than the Rupps Rafters crowd .

[Feathery 4,005]

I think there was both good and bad. He adjusted into the double team down low that Purdue had trouble with. I think that was really the move of the game. Clock or game management in the last 7:00 of the game left a lot to be desired.

I think this is fair. I also think it's fair for ppl to be happy we won and still be disgruntled about Crean not calling a timeout to stop the run. I was wondering why one wasn't called when they got it to 10 points.

[Miller'sTheMan 1,652]

Did you watch the final 5 minutes?

Did you watch the first 35?

[MikeRoberts 7,649]

Did you watch the first 35?

the last 5 was so bad it almost canceled out the precious 35.

[Miller'sTheMan 1,652]

the last 5 was so bad it almost canceled out the precious 35.

Almost only counts in horse shoes and hand grenades  :D

[JaybobHoosier 12,453]

I will admit guys, and while I still want him gone, he has done a lot to sway me this year.  Not just the wins, but his adjustments that he's made.  Coach has shown the ability to adjust, but also send messages to his players.  Do I think he's the answer, no, but he has shown the ability to change which is huge for me.  

[HoosierAloha 30,092]

Almost only counts in horse shoes and hand grenades  :D

 

Nukes too, definitely nukes.

[Feathery 4,005]

I will admit guys, and while I still want him gone, he has done a lot to sway me this year. Not just the wins, but his adjustments that he's made. Coach has shown the ability to adjust, but also send messages to his players. Do I think he's the answer, no, but he has shown the ability to change which is huge for me.

He has done better, but he still has a ways to go. Being up 19 and letting it slip to 2 without TRYING to stop their momentum is about as bad as it gets from a head coach. Winning doesn't hide that.

[chitown hoosier 743]

I get the discontent about the last 6 minutes or so but basketball games are about runs and it's going to be tough to beat a solid team like Purdue by 20. Like I said, yogi doesn't give up that bad turnover and IU would've cruised to a victory. Not win by 20 but by a comfortable margin. You can't say if Hammons didn't get a goal tend or if something else happened IU would've lost. There are a lot of ifs in a game and in the end it's just a matter of a win or a loss. Some may not be ensnared with Crean as the coach but there is some facts to be considered. IU is currently in first place alone at the top of the b1g and control their own destiny to win it. IU has started 16-0 in their own home court and it's one of the best all time. If Crean was such a bad coach than IU would not be in the position that it is as of right now.

[JaybobHoosier 12,453]

He has done better, but he still has a ways to go. Being up 19 and letting it slip to 2 without TRYING to stop their momentum is about as bad as it gets from a head coach. Winning doesn't hide that.

 

No I agree, that's why I said I still don't think he's the answer, but he's done better this year than in year's past.  Trust me, I was throwing a few things when he halted the offense at the end.  Even my wife was made and she barely watches lol.

[hoosierpap 14,300]

Yes I support getting rid of him

Great first post. You're going to fit right in.

[JSHoosier 21,664]

I get the discontent about the last 6 minutes or so but basketball games are about runs and it's going to be tough to beat a solid team like Purdue by 20. Like I said, yogi doesn't give up that bad turnover and IU would've cruised to a victory. Not win by 20 but by a comfortable margin. You can't say if Hammons didn't get a goal tend or if something else happened IU would've lost. There are a lot of ifs in a game and in the end it's just a matter of a win or a loss. Some may not be ensnared with Crean as the coach but there is some facts to be considered. IU is currently in first place alone at the top of the b1g and control their own destiny to win it. IU has started 16-0 in their own home court and it's one of the best all time. If Crean was such a bad coach than IU would not be in the position that it is as of right now.

I don't think anyone has ever claimed he's a bad coach, he's not.  He has times where he looks good, but on the whole he's not particularly good.  He's been better this year, but I couldn't possibly care less about one season and he's shown he can be good for one season here or there just not sustain it.

 

He's not a coach that's going to lose big, but he's not a coach that's going to win big either.