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The University of Kentucky has hired 3 championship coaches in a row. I can't fathom the line of rationale that would lead one to think IU's method of hiring/ firing coaches is superior to UK's over the last 30-40 years. Respectfully, the notion is laughable.

This is exactly backwards and 100% wrong, statistically speaking. The quicker you fire coaches the better chance you have to hire a home run coach, statistically speaking anyways. The longer you keep the Davis's , the Crean's, the Archie's , the Woodys around the less opportunity you have to hire the next year coach. IU has adopted your irrational thinking and been awful for it. I'd argue for a change of philosophy.

All, The mods are well aware of the content of this and the 'Fire' thread. In my (non-mod) opinion, the posts in both threads at times may be redundant at this point; everyone has had their say many times. Occasionally we have taken a post from one thread and relocated it to the other thread. However... It is very much the slow season, especially for basketball. The posts in both threads have generally been within board rules. So the threads march on! As a gentle reminder: The mods generally pay attention to the board (except Stromboli, who is likely busy making a delicious sandwich). There is rarely a need to post requests for mods to notice a post. MOST IMPORTANTLY -- Anyone and everyone participating in these discussions is ultimately interested in the same thing: the unmitigated success of our beloved Indiana University. It's just that we all have different ways of expressing it and judging what will constitute that unmitigated success. That's what makes these discussions interesting - if we all agreed they'd be far less interesting. There should be no 'Hoosier-on-Hoosier' digital violence. A suggestion? If things are getting too spicy between any of y'all, take the time to type "Purdue sucks" into your post and start by agreeing with your sparring partner on that one.

I with you brother!!! I don’t post near as much as I used to and it for some of the reasons above and some on here that seemed to exert their power! The MW fan club members don’t want to allow you to voice your opinions against him. It will be hard to like him as our coach and as a person because he is a total a** but I still want us to win! That’s why this entire ordeal hasn’t been easy for us true fans, but not true fans according to Woodson, because we are caught between loving IU basketball and not liking our coach because he is lacking as a good person and coach, IMO

Please explain how you arrived at that conclusion from my reply.

Eric Reibe? All in?

All, The mods are well aware of the content of this and the 'Fire' thread. In my (non-mod) opinion, the posts in both threads at times may be redundant at this point; everyone has had their say many times. Occasionally we have taken a post from one thread and relocated it to the other thread. However... It is very much the slow season, especially for basketball. The posts in both threads have generally been within board rules. So the threads march on! As a gentle reminder: The mods generally pay attention to the board (except Stromboli, who is likely busy making a delicious sandwich). There is rarely a need to post requests for mods to notice a post. MOST IMPORTANTLY -- Anyone and everyone participating in these discussions is ultimately interested in the same thing: the unmitigated success of our beloved Indiana University. It's just that we all have different ways of expressing it and judging what will constitute that unmitigated success. That's what makes these discussions interesting - if we all agreed they'd be far less interesting. There should be no 'Hoosier-on-Hoosier' digital violence. A suggestion? If things are getting too spicy between any of y'all, take the time to type "Purdue sucks" into your post and start by agreeing with your sparring partner on that one.

You're just being a dug in jerk who doesn't want to have to acknowledge Northwestern won the tie, plus continuing to ignore that Indiana finished 3 games behind and never actually was in contention with an all-timer and a first round pick. If you are picking 2023 as your standard for success at Indiana, you and I have different definitions of success for Indiana basketball.

So, by your numbers, Mike Woodson is 16 years older than the average D1 head coach, and he’s older than more than 94% of D1 coaches. It’s not age discrimination, it’s reality. Mike Woodson’s age (or any coach’s age) is an important factor when considering whether to give said struggling coach time for rebuilding seasons. If your coach is already 66 years old and won’t be coaching in 5 years anyway, why bother going through a rebuild?

You can spin the 3 seed as much as you want. You can lob personal insults at me. Still, Indiana finished 3 games behind Purdue in a down big ten and got boat raced by Miami in the second round with an all-American and an nba first rounder.

The University of Kentucky, the most storied college basketball program in the history of the sport, just ended up with their 5th or 6th candidate after publicly being turned down multiple times because of an irrational fan base who ran off the last coach. If you think Indiana is somehow going to land a cream of the crop coach after running Woodson off in 3 years then there's zero reason to have this discussion.

Mike Davis, Tom Crean, and Archie Miller were all fired by Indiana for losing too much. Mike Davis and Tom Crean were fired by their next schools as well and Archie is well on his way (21-42 in two seasons.) They are not good coaches and did not grow into being good coaches.

You’re acting like he won a couple tournaments. First, saying IU hadn’t made a tournament since 2016 is deceptive. IU would’ve certainly made the tournament in 2020 but for a once in a century pandemic. Second, no top of the line candidate will be scared by a school having higher expectations than making the tournament 66% of the time. How freaking far has IU fallen than making the tournament 2 out of 3 times and then getting blown out is enough to keep your job safe?

Firing an alum who went to tournaments in 2/3 years after not making one since 2016 is surely the right way to attract a top of the line candidate down the road. I'm sure you knew that though.

Well yeah, but it's not the cause of the problem. The problem is poor hiring, not firing under achieving coaches.

Mike Woodson is 66 years old, and an old 66 at that. Bob Knight was 33 years old the summer before his 4th season at IU. Literally half as old. Even if you ignore the Grand Canyon sized gap between the two coaches’ first three years at IU (1 tournament win and a 31-29 conference record for one of them vs. a final four appearance, 2 conference titles, and a 32-10 conference record for the other), the guy half the age of the other guy is going to get more leash because there’s a chance of him being your coach for the next 30 years. Mike Woodson has one foot through the retirement door at this stage.

Yep, typo on the 5 but still, Archie Miller wasn't building anything and it was obvious. Mike Davis was not building anything and it was obvious. Tom Crean was constantly building, then having to rebuild a bad situation of his own making all while turning off recruits at the end with a Sweet 16 ceiling. So, are you saying that if we kept Mike Davis or Archie Miller longer then Indiana basketball would be better?

I still think PU is overrated along with their guards. Edey commanded double teams and was a tremendous bad play outlet! Those 2 guards will not be half as good as they were this past season though

Some context ... RMK went to the Final Four in his second season, the Elite Eight in his fourth and won a natty in his fifth. McCracken won a natty in his second year and was 87-17 (.840) over his first five seasons.

This is kind of a recurring theme, I see the same shoe ads here every day.... But this one has me wondering why, why are they targeting me?? Lol.

Mike Davis got 6 seasons. Sampson got 1.5, but fired for reasons other than not winning enough Crean got 9 seasons. Miller got 5 seasons. Woodson is currently preparing for his 4th. Coaches are not being fired every 2-3 years. Coaches are being given opportunities to build a consistent winner, and none have so far since the year 2000.

You're right. I must have swapped the 17 wins with the 7 loses in my mind. My bad. Still less than a 0.500 record against teams with a pulse. But accuracy matters so thanks for pointing that out. I fixed it.

I'll believe it when I see it. We're heard every year during the summer and early season workouts how certain players are shooting so well and how much better the team will be from 3 that year. Then the offseason snipers can't make shots in games and/or the team just doesn't shoot many 3 point shots. Usually both.

“Hopefully, we’ll have something to cheer about, it’s about time.” and ”most importantly, they can knock down tje three.” Yes, please.

I thought Kentucky's mating call started with 'hey cuz'.