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Sunday Morning Quarterback: What did you think of IU's clock management in the final minute?


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  • Indiana elected to score quickly with first and goal at the 1 in the final minute Saturday with the score tied at 41. Right call? Wrong call? What do you think? In my week Sunday Morning Quarterback feature, I give my take ... and it may not be the popular one.

Every Sunday during the football season, BtownBanners.com will have a regular feature we’ll call Sunday Morning Quarterback. It’s a chance to look back at some interesting decisions or play calls from the game the day before and second guess them as most football fans ultimately do.

 

We should always remember that the actual decisions are made in real time without the benefit of being able to go back and forth and discuss potential options.

 

We’ve had a good message board discussion today regarding clock management in the final minute of Saturday’s 48-47 Indiana victory over Southern Illinois. We know the way Kevin Wilson and his staff chose to let it play out in real time on Saturday. I wonder, however, if after he has had time to digest the situation if he would do it the same way? I think I’ll have to ask him that question at Monday’s weekly IU Football Press Conference.

 

Here’s the situation:

 

With the score tied at 41 and a little over a minute to play in regulation Saturday, Indiana was faced with a second-and-10 situation at its own 28 yard line.

 

Nate Sudfeld threw a deep ball that was caught by Ricky Jones and the redshirt junior wide receiver took the ball down to the 1 where IU would have first and goal at the 1. Indiana chose to use a timeout with 1:01 to play and talk things over.

 

It should be pointed out that Indiana’s defense had done little in the way of stopping Southern Illinois all day. The previous two SIU possessions, however, had ended when IU’s Nick Mangieri had sacked SIU quarterback Mark Iannotti and the Salukis were forced to punt and the previous drive where things had stalled when the QB fumbled on third down and SIU was forced to make a 46 yard field goal.

 

So what should have Indiana done in this situation?
A. Run the ball up the middle, try to score quick, take a seven point lead and let your defense attempt to stop Southern Illinois from likely going 75 yards after it gets the ball back.
B. Take a knee a couple of times, let the ball go back somewhere between the 3-5 yard line, force SIU to call all of its timeouts, then run the ball and try to score a TD on third down. If that doesn’t work, kick a field goal on fourth down and leave just seconds on the clock.
C. Take a knee a couple of times, attempt the field goal on third down just in case you have a bad exchange and give yourself a backup plan.
D. Pass it like the Seahawks did in the Super Bowl.

 

Wilson chose to run the ball up the middle with Jordan Howard, SIU basically let him walk into the end zone, and the junior tailback scored a touchdown with 58 seconds to play to put IU up 48-41 with 58 seconds to play.

 

Of course, we know what happened next. SIU needed just five plays to march down the field aided by a questionable pass interference penalty on IU near midfield. The Salukis scored a touchdown with 18 seconds to play and went for the two-point conversion play and the win. The two-point conversion attempt failed when the receiver couldn’t hang on to the ball at the goal line (Myself, I think I would have let the quarterback run it instead of throw it any way but …).

 

And so Indiana hung on for a 48-47 victory and a 1-0 start to the 2015 season.

 

NOTE: If Southern Illinois had converted the two-point play and taken a 49-48 lead, you could make the argument that the Salukis had scored too quickly, too, as my guess is that Griffin Oakes still would have had a long field goal try for the win. It’s just the way the game had been going. You figured whatever team had the ball last was going to win.

 

So what do you think Indiana should have done in that situation?

 

There seem to be several Sunday Morning Quarterbacks (one in particular who is the founder of this site) who believe you should take a knee, run the clock down to the closing seconds and kick a field goal for the win. His point, and it’s well taken, is that you should have never allowed that IU defense on the field Saturday (sans some of its better players) to have the game in its collective hands. There are too many things that could go wrong with that group on the field.

 

Myself, I think the path that was chosen was the correct one. Here’s why:
1. You score the touchdown, put yourself up by seven points, and you have to figure that the worst that is going to happen is you’re headed to overtime. The Southern Illinois coach said he had planned to go for two from the time he got the ball back but I still wonder if that was the right call. Myself, I think he short-changed his kids a little bit there. Kick the extra point and take your chances in overtime. It’s not like you’re worried that IU is going to stop you and maybe your defense can force a field goal or something.
2. If you take a knee twice and the ball goes back to the 5 yard line, then what’s your play call if you go for a touchdown before at the very least attempting a field goal on fourth down? Do you throw the ball or give it to Howard or Redding? If you throw it you take the chance of it getting picked and a couple of passes almost got picked late in that game.
3. If you settle for a field goal a lot of bad things can happen. You have a first year long snapper for instance so you have to hope that the exchanges are good. When IU went for the field goal from 22 yards out that put it ahead 41-38, it appeared as if Oakes’ field goal was partially blocked. At the very least it was low and ugly. If IU was kicking from the 5, it would have been another 22 yard field goal attempt.
4. What if on third or fourth down, you had a holding penalty and all of sudden that chip shot field goal is from 35 yards out or more?

 

I just think a lot of things could go wrong and my point on the message board thread today was that if you think people are second-guessing Wilson and the Hoosiers today, imagine what it would have been like had Indiana gone this route and somehow got beat? That’s how coaches get fired.

 

And we have all seen IU lose games like this one in the past.

 

I still don’t have a problem doing it the way that Wilson and company did it.

 

My guess is that many of you will disagree. So go ahead and have at it. I’ll try to respond to as many of your posts as I can.

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I think we should be happy the the whole discussion is academic, even if its only because we got lucky and the receiver dropped the ball. 41 brought up a basketball analogy earlier, so I'll add to it, although its the same in basketball and football. In trying to run clock there are too many times that it just takes the offense out of there rhythm, and a dumb mistake is made on something very basic. Then you look back wishing you had taken the points when you could have. We could be having this discussion regardless of what decision was made. I'm just glad it worked out as it did. 

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I am apart of the group that says you need to score when presented with the opportunity. Too many things can go wrong and I think when you're down there at the one just punch it in. We only left them with 55 seconds or so. Defense simply has to do better than what it did last night.

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I think we should be happy the the whole discussion is academic, even if its only because we got lucky and the receiver dropped the ball. 41 brought up a basketball analogy earlier, so I'll add to it, although its the same in basketball and football. In trying to run clock there are too many times that it just takes the offense out of there rhythm, and a dumb mistake is made on something very basic. Then you look back wishing you had taken the points when you could have. We could be having this discussion regardless of what decision was made. I'm just glad it worked out as it did. 

 

It is a lot nicer to be having this conversation when you're 1-0 and not 0-1 when people are sitting around saying stuff today like, "So when is that IU basketball opener any way?"

 

It's Friday Nov. 13 by the way.

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I am apart of the group that says you need to score when presented with the opportunity. Too many things can go wrong and I think when you're down there at the one just punch it in. We only left them with 55 seconds or so. Defense simply has to do better than what it did last night.

 

And that's really the biggest point here. The defense does have to do better. It certainly had to do better than it did against an FCS opponent. Now, IU was playing without several key players so let's see what it looks like next week against Florida International.

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And that's really the biggest point here. The defense does have to do better. It certainly had to do better than it did against an FCS opponent. Now, IU was playing without several key players so let's see what it looks like next week against Florida International.

Exactly, i'm not ready to give up on the D and sound the alarm yet. Scales, Latham, Dutra, and Green are all pretty big pieces to our defense and when you're like IU without a lot of depth that hurts you more than most.

 

FIU should be a good test, I saw they beat UCF (who went 9-3 last season) 15-14 this weekend, so we need to play a lot better to get the win next weekend.

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. 41 brought up a basketball analogy earlier, so I'll add to it, although its the same in basketball and football. In trying to run clock there are too many times that it just takes the offense out of there rhythm, and a dumb mistake is made on something very basic. Then you look back wishing you had taken the points when you could have. We could be having this discussion regardless of what decision was made. I'm just glad it worked out as it did.


In regards to the basketball analogy... Let's get into the basketball world. You are tied and dribbling out the clock. If you had the option to send a shooter to the free throw line that was 29/29 in his career for the win would you waste all that time for that one free throw attempt?

Griffin Oakes is 29/29 in his career on PATs.

100% success rate on PATs... This was and always will be an idiotic decision by Wilson and co. Happy it didn't bite us this time like it normally does.

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In regards to the basketball analogy... Let's get into the basketball world. You are tied and dribbling out the clock. If you had the option to send a shooter to the free throw line that was 29/29 in his career for the win would you waste all that time for that one free throw attempt?

Griffin Oakes is 29/29 in his career on PATs.

100% success rate on PATs... This was and always will be an idiotic decision by Wilson and co. Happy it didn't bite us this time like it normally does.

 

The guy that is 29 for 29 on extra points just had a 22 yard field goal partially blocked a few minutes before.

 

And if you don't think something as small as that has been known to creep into the psyche of a field goal kicker ... well, it could have. (Field goal kickers, punters, high jumpers, pole vaulters, they're all a special breed that way that rely heavily on conditions and everything in the world being perfect.)

 

And I'm not even that worried about your 29 for 29 shooter taking that shot. But what about the guy passing the ball to him? It would have been akin to it being a true freshman point guard in that situation playing in his first college basketball game and having to make the perfect pass in a clutch situation. Does he do it? Probably. But could there be the possibility of a mistake? Sure there could.

 

In this situation, you had a freshman long snapper playing in his first college football game.

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And myself, I'm glad that Kevin Wilson and company made that decision.

 

If they hadn't, IU might be 0-1 right now.

 

They made that decision and Indiana is 1-0. That much we know.

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The guy that is 29 for 29 on extra points just had a 22 yard field goal partially blocked a few minutes before.

And if you don't think something as small as that has been known to creep into the psyche of a field goal kicker ... well, it could have. (Field goal kickers, punters, high jumpers, pole vaulters, they're all a special breed that way that rely heavily on conditions and everything in the world being perfect.)

And I'm not even that worried about your 29 for 29 shooter taking that shot. But what about the guy passing the ball to him? It would have been akin to it being a true freshman point guard in that situation playing in his first college basketball game and having to make the perfect pass in a clutch situation. Does he do it? Probably. But could there be the possibility of a mistake? Sure there could.

In this situation, you had a freshman long snapper playing in his first college football game.


A freshman long snapper who was a perfect 7/7 up to that point. So at least his psyche was good :)

While you mention all of this risks, you fail to mention the risks of a holding call on the run from the 1 (which is likely). A false start from the offense, a fumble from the running back, a bad handoff between quarterback and running back. Hell even a bad snap because the center is focused on getting to his block as opposed to just focusing on snapping. Your additional risks point is invalid.

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And myself, I'm glad that Kevin Wilson and company made that decision.

If they hadn't, IU might be 0-1 right now.

They made that decision and Indiana is 1-0. That much we know.


Kevin Wilson made a decision that turned out horrible. It was a horribly executed end of game scenario. He was bailed out by their player choking and dropping a perfect pass.

The end result is what we all wanted, but that was hardly a good decision on his part.

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A freshman long snapper who was a perfect 7/7 up to that point. So at least his psyche was good :)

While you mention all of this risks, you fail to mention the risks of a holding call on the run from the 1 (which is likely). A false start from the offense, a fumble from the running back, a bad handoff between quarterback and running back. Hell even a bad snap because the center is focused on getting to his block as opposed to just focusing on snapping. Your additional risks point is invalid.

All of these which are added risks in your scenario of running several plays to kill clock. 

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All of these which are added risks in your scenario of running several plays to kill clock. 

 

Don't try to counter his arguments with common sense.

 

:no:

 

He's on a roll.

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Don't try to counter his arguments with common sense.

 

:no:

 

He's on a roll.

He always is. He's usually drunk when he's here also.  :wink:

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All of these which are added risks in your scenario of running several plays to kill clock.


Not much risk in taking a knee.

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Not much risk in taking a knee.

Remember, this is the team we are dreaming up every possible scenario how that could have messed it up. And fumbling a snap can happen even on a kneeldown.

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Remember, this is the team we are dreaming up every possible scenario how that could have messed it up. And fumbling a snap can happen even on a kneeldown.


My point being the risk is the same by trying to score vs not trying to score. Therefore it isn't relevant.

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Kevin Wilson made a decision that turned out horrible. It was a horribly executed end of game scenario. He was bailed out by their player choking and dropping a perfect pass.

The end result is what we all wanted, but that was hardly a good decision on his part.

Honestly, you could make the argument even if he does catch the ball he wouldn't have made it in. By the time Andre Brown got there and hit him the ball never crossed the goal line.

 

Anyway Wilson made the right call, he put his defense on the field with 55 seconds or so to try to avoid a touchdown. Any coach should be ok with that scenario, if you fail its simply due to poor play, but you shouldn't be expecting an FCS opponent to score on you in 30 seconds.

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OK, so we have both claimed victory in the discussion (argument is a little strong).

 

I think that's because there are a couple of different ways to look at this 

 

I don't think it was necessarily wrong clock management on Wilson's part. Like the poster said above, he scored a touchdown, went up by 7 points with 55 seconds to play and put the team in the right situation. You simply have to stop an FCS football team from going the length of the field in 58 seconds. 

 

When you don't, that's on the defense and obviously the whole defensive piece is something that has to be addressed this week. 

 

The given: The defense has to be better next week. It can't be much worse. 

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