College Football Thread

[hoopsta007]

Setting up to screw IU.  Quality losses only matter for the SEC, bad losses don’t hurt Notre Dame, and margin of victory only applies for Notre Dame and their trash schedule.  Losing by 3 touchdowns to a potentially non bowl team carries the same weight as losing by less to the number 2 team in the nation on the road.  Total clownshow

[RaceToTheTop]

Games to root for this weekend:

IU over Turdue

Maryland over Penn State (ain't happening)

California over SMU (but only matters if SMU also loses the ACC title game)

Syracuse over Miami

South Carolina over Clemson

Vanderbilt over Tennessee

Texas over Texas A&M

hate to say it, but Notre Dame losing to USC would probably get ignored.

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Order of importance IMO:

IU over Turdue

Vandy beating Tennessee would be huge as it would eliminate the Vols (but I don't think it happens)

Syracuse over Miami (think it moves them behind IU with no games left for them)

Texas over A&M to avoid A&M stealing a bid in in the SEC title game

California over SMU

 

[rayl456]

Beat Purdue as severely as possible and wait to see what happens.  That’s all you can do.  If there’s politics involved and brand bias etc etc etc…then the committee can easily drop us and explain it without blinking.  

[str8baller]

4 minutes ago, RaceToTheTop said:

If the committee holds to saying 'teams aren't punished for losing conference championship games', then SMU is guaranteed a spot because they are already in the ACC championship. 

They literally just mean the SEC here. Period. 
 

IU is 99% in. (Assuming a Purdue win). I guess we could come up with scenarios but they’d all have to hit. Even an A&M SEC title —less than a 20% chance by itself—would need to find wacky scenarios that are just unlikely to happen. An ACC team will drop. 
 

It’s why I was adamant you want feel good pretenders like Army out. If they keep a two loss team in over IU it would be big names like Miami (maybe), ND, or Texas. People were dismissive when I wrote that Saturday but this really just about espn, sec, and tv ratings. 

Luckily this year nobody is really good enough that the committee will feel like embarrassing themselves to jump up a power team that doesn’t deserve it, imo. Indiana is in almost any way you slice it. (One caveat might be if rourke goes down…*knock on wood*)

[Banksyrules]

Honestly I’m not too worried.  They wouldn’t allow a second ACC team. ESPN be dammed. The people who are in charge will not have anything less than 4 big ten teams and 3 (with trying to make it 4 for the SEC). Money talks and it would be dumb to kick out a school with a huge alumni fan base.  

[JerryYeagley23]

I think we’re solidly fine. Win against PU and then it’s all about the matchup. Reallyyy want to win one game at least just so we can play in a new years six bowl game and get to enjoy that atmosphere. 

[AKHoosier]

Man, not a good feeling.

Just get the vibe the committe's goal is to keep IU out, and use whatever criteria they need to to justify doing so, while not holding your teams like SMU to the same standard.

Really rooting for South Carolina and Syracuse this weekend.

[str8baller]

1 minute ago, Banksyrules said:

The people who are in charge will not have anything less than 4 big ten teams and 3 (with trying to make it 4 for the SEC). 

I think so…they still have to save face. They used up a lot of goodwill last year bouncing fsu in favor of Alabama. And then two (current) big ten teams sent both sec teams home. They’d look silly this year shafting the big ten and we have four solid teams. There’s no reason to shaft IU for some like SMU. 

[hoopsta007]

The truth is if things were fair the discussion we should be having is whether we are getting a home game or going on the road.  

[HoosierFan1994]

31 minutes ago, str8baller said:

But it’s gonna drop again by a bit after we play Purdue, so I don’t know why any IU fans worry about it either.  We had a fortuitous schedule, but we’re still good. 

Rece Davis said that it would still be in the 60s. 

Vegas thinks we are still safely in. -3000 odds. 

[rcbowla]

21 minutes ago, AKHoosier said:

Man, not a good feeling.

Just get the vibe the committe's goal is to keep IU out, and use whatever criteria they need to to justify doing so, while not holding your teams like SMU to the same standard.

Really rooting for South Carolina and Syracuse this weekend.

If that was their goal then why wouldn't they just rank us #13 right now?

[BtownStrength]

21 minutes ago, hoopsta007 said:

The truth is if things were fair the discussion we should be having is whether we are getting a home game or going on the road.  

True. But it will probably take another year or 2 of winning to get there. 

[hoopsta007]

8 minutes ago, rcbowla said:

If that was their goal then why wouldn't they just rank us #13 right now?

To try to give the appearance that things are fair and happen naturally 

[HoosierFan1994]

Again, I hate being the 11 seed just being the last team in. But I do love this draw: 

@ Penn State. Winner plays Miami in Peach Bowl. 

IU can win both of these games. 

Unfortunately if IU struggles against Purdue I think this team has peaked and just ran out of gas. Similar to 12-13 basketball team. 

[cthomas]

3 minutes ago, HoosierFan1994 said:

Unfortunately if IU struggles against Purdue I think this team has peaked and just ran out of gas. Similar to 12-13 basketball team

I get that completely. But, I think the talent level of the last two teams we have played is on another level. Michigan struggled early because they couldn't figure out who their quarterback was. But they still had a roster with plenty of talent, especially on the defensive side of the ball. OSU is OSU. Over 50% of their roster is 5* talent. We split those games and were two or three plays form being in a very competitive game with OSU. As much as I hate to say it, they are probably the best football team in the country. You could be right and we fade down the stretch, but I believe this team still has something in the tank. Maybe this week we catch our second wind.

[go iu bb]

2 minutes ago, cthomas said:

I get that completely. But, I think the talent level of the last two teams we have played is on another level. Michigan struggled early because they couldn't figure out who their quarterback was. But they still had a roster with plenty of talent, especially on the defensive side of the ball. OSU is OSU. Over 50% of their roster is 5* talent. We split those games and were two or three plays form being in a very competitive game with OSU. As much as I hate to say it, they are probably the best football team in the country. You could be right and we fade down the stretch, but I believe this team still has something in the tank. Maybe this week we catch our second wind.

I agree. I think that since we had Michigan, a bye week, and then OSU it's been 4 weeks since we have decisively won a game which is also part of why IU dropped so much. People are thinking IU ran out of gas or were overrated after all because of short memories. Blowing out PU will remind people how IU has played for most of the season.

[HoosierFan1994]

10 minutes ago, cthomas said:

I get that completely. But, I think the talent level of the last two teams we have played is on another level. Michigan struggled early because they couldn't figure out who their quarterback was. But they still had a roster with plenty of talent, especially on the defensive side of the ball. OSU is OSU. Over 50% of their roster is 5* talent. We split those games and were two or three plays form being in a very competitive game with OSU. As much as I hate to say it, they are probably the best football team in the country. You could be right and we fade down the stretch, but I believe this team still has something in the tank. Maybe this week we catch our second wind.

Agree too. I posted earlier today that OSU has 5 top 100 players on defense according to ESPN's draft rankings. That doesn't count Downs. Michigan has 4 (Johnson didn't play vs. IU). Only other team to really have that many is Georgia and Bama. 

[HoosierFan1994]

I highly recommend listening to Joel Klatt's podcast. He said that the debate isn't going to come down to IU. It'll be the ACC title game loser vs. Clemson or SC. 

I'm nervous with how far IU fell. But, he should be right.

If Miami loses this weekend, which they could, they are OUT. If SMU loses, they can still get in but only as ACC champ. A Clemson loss eliminates them from an at-large bid. It is likely to be 11-1 Miami vs. 11-1 SMU. Miami will probably be 6th and SMU 9th. If #5 IU fell 5 spots for losing to #2 OSU, then if Miami loses that game they better fall at least 4 spots and behind IU. The debate would then be Miami vs. Clemson. If SMU loses that game, I think Clemson gets in. 

ONLY way I think IU is out: Texas A&M wins SEC, Clemson dominates South Carolina, SMU wins ACC title game in a close one vs. Miami, and we struggle vs. Purdue. I really think a dominating win gets Indiana in. Committee clearly factors in margin of victory. It's why IU was as high as 5 and fell 5 spots for losing by 3 TD's and some change this weekend. Anything less than at least a 3 score victory this weekend worries me. 

While I still think it is BS, Indiana kinda has some blame in this. We all knew going in that Indiana couldn't get blown out. And they did. It's crap that Georgia and Tennessee jump 3-4 spots for playing cupcake teams. Clemson too this weekend.  Very fortunate Ole Miss and Bama both lost. Or I'm afraid we'd be on the outside looking in. 

[Magnanimous]

I think we’re going to see bedlam the next two weekends and end up hosting in the first round :)

[RaceToTheTop]

51 minutes ago, HoosierFan1994 said:

I highly recommend listening to Joel Klatt's podcast. He said that the debate isn't going to come down to IU. It'll be the ACC title game loser vs. Clemson or SC. 

I'm nervous with how far IU fell. But, he should be right.

If Miami loses this weekend, which they could, they are OUT. If SMU loses, they can still get in but only as ACC champ. A Clemson loss eliminates them from an at-large bid. It is likely to be 11-1 Miami vs. 11-1 SMU. Miami will probably be 6th and SMU 9th. If #5 IU fell 5 spots for losing to #2 OSU, then if Miami loses that game they better fall at least 4 spots and behind IU. The debate would then be Miami vs. Clemson. If SMU loses that game, I think Clemson gets in. 

ONLY way I think IU is out: Texas A&M wins SEC, Clemson dominates South Carolina, SMU wins ACC title game in a close one vs. Miami, and we struggle vs. Purdue. I really think a dominating win gets Indiana in. Committee clearly factors in margin of victory. It's why IU was as high as 5 and fell 5 spots for losing by 3 TD's and some change this weekend. Anything less than at least a 3 score victory this weekend worries me. 

While I still think it is BS, Indiana kinda has some blame in this. We all knew going in that Indiana couldn't get blown out. And they did. It's crap that Georgia and Tennessee jump 3-4 spots for playing cupcake teams. Clemson too this weekend.  Very fortunate Ole Miss and Bama both lost. Or I'm afraid we'd be on the outside looking in. 

Well, if Miami loses at Syracuse then Clemson is in the title game for the ACC regardless of whether or not they beat South Carolina.