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3 hours ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

And somewhere iugradman slowly weeps.

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On 3/9/2021 at 5:45 PM, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

KU and Les Miles settled for $1,991,062.50, via his settlement agreement released by KU.  Miles originally had about $8 million left on his KU contract that ran through 2023.

Remember how some of our fans were talking about KU taking football seriously because they hired Miles, lol

 

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On 6/9/2021 at 4:27 PM, Lebowski said:

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/31604970/college-football-playoff-consider-expanding-12-team-format

Seems like its more likely to be 12 teams; the FBS only does 16. ND's AD was part of the original group in this proposal so that potential roadblock should be gone.

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https://www.yahoo.com/sports/last-seasons-college-football-playoff-213502132.html

Pretty cool to think we would have been in the playoff under a 12 team format last season.

I'm a very limited supporter of expansion, but not by much. 24 is waaaaay too many. It would water down big matchups during the regular season too much and end up with very mediocre 8-4 teams in the playoff. I think 12 is still too many. I'd be fine with 8 for an easy bracket but I think 6 would actually work well. It still preserves the magic of the regular season meaning so much each game. It would still incentivize the best teams as they would get a bye week, but also not completely eliminate a really good team who takes one loss to another really good team. I wouldn't give automatic bids to the power 5 champions unless they are undefeated or 1 loss teams (i.e. the Big 12 misses out last season, so the next highest ranked non-champion gets a spot). 

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I guess I have never understood how allowing more teams into a playoff would water down the regular season. Doesn't it do the exact opposite? Other than maybe for Alabama, Clemson, and Ohio state who are shoe-ins. A lot more teams would still have a fighting chance in November to make a run at a championship. That has never been the case in College football and it is really the only sport that does it that way.

Is the regular season watered down in literally any other sport that allows more than 4 teams to play for a championship? 

Last year IU lost to Ohio State and it knocked them out of the playoff. Thus, for Championship purposes the rest of their games did not matter. If there were 8-12 teams allowed in the playoff it would have put MORE importance on the rest of their games not less.

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Letting more teams play in the playoff would help combat players sitting out because they don’t want to play in a random bowl game. It would make the regular season a lot more competitive, imo. For any team not named Ohio State, Alabama, or Clemson your playoff chances almost disappear once you lose a game. With a bigger playoff they still have a chance. A bigger playoff would be a ton of fun. 

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40 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

Letting more teams play in the playoff would help combat players sitting out because they don’t want to play in a random bowl game. It would make the regular season a lot more competitive, imo. For any team not named Ohio State, Alabama, or Clemson your playoff chances almost disappear once you lose a game. With a bigger playoff they still have a chance. A bigger playoff would be a ton of fun. 

I want to see 16 teams. 

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It's coming folks.  We're going to get an expansion.  Now it's just a matter of when and how many. 

My dream formula is the following. 

  • 16 Team Playoff
  • Conference champs get automatic bids.  That means 10 schools are in.  
  • Remaining slots are at-large bids.

That article I posted mentioned 24 teams and if we ever see that in our lifetime I think I would have died and gone to heaven.  Because we're talking about a playoff system that would pretty much include the schools that finished 3rd or 4th in a conference and just start peeking at the right time. 
 

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1 hour ago, IUc2016 said:

I guess I have never understood how allowing more teams into a playoff would water down the regular season. Doesn't it do the exact opposite? Other than maybe for Alabama, Clemson, and Ohio state who are shoe-ins. A lot more teams would still have a fighting chance in November to make a run at a championship. That has never been the case in College football and it is really the only sport that does it that way. For me, it's the fact that chance of "making a run at a championship" in college football seems nearly impossible in comparison to say, college hoops. There is now too much disparity between the top 2-3 teams and the rest in college football. Hence why so many semifinal games in the current CFP are blowouts. There is no mediocre team in college football that was going to get hot and win several games in a tournament while knocking off an Alabama/Clemson/Ohio St. along the way. So it would be giving a bunch of teams a chance to play for a championship, yeah, but all those teams who now have a chance aren't in the same league as the very top tier. 

Is the regular season watered down in literally any other sport that allows more than 4 teams to play for a championship? Yes and no. There aren't that many games in football. Losing even 1 game is a huge deal right now in college football. Losing any particular game in college hoops is no big deal. I agree the NCAA basketball tournament is magical. Wouldn't ever want that to change. But if there were only, say, 8 teams that made it, the regular season would be way more high stakes. Now, you can have a terrible season 2/3rds of the way or more, be standing at 13-12 and win 3 or 4 big games down the stretch and you can have the chance to play for a national title. Or even have a losing record but win your conference tournament. There's a reason that so many people that tune into the NCAA tournament don't tune into the regular season. 

Last year IU lost to Ohio State and it knocked them out of the playoff. Thus, for Championship purposes the rest of their games did not matter. If there were 8-12 teams allowed in the playoff it would have put MORE importance on the rest of their games not less. I can see your point about it giving more meaning to games for teams that wouldn't otherwise get into the playoff. But if you think about the biggest games of the season, it's the ones where the highest ranked teams are playing each other. Bama/LSU, GA/Fla, yeah us and OSU last year. Those games mean so much less when its nearly certain that the loser will still get into the playoff. Expanding to 16 or more virtually eliminates the importance of conference championship games. You'd be shifting importance away from the games played between the highest ranked teams toward the games where 7-4 NC State plays 7-4 Virginia b/c the winner might have a chance to get beat 58-6 by Bama or Clemson in the first round of the playoff. To me, that waters down the importance of the regular season. 

 

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@NashvilleHoosier I don't want to quote our posts as they are getting really long. 

I think for me it just seems illogical to make a championship IMPOSSIBLE for a good majority of the teams. teams have literally gone undefeated and not had a chance to play in a playoff (not even the championship). 

Also, are we sure that Alabama beating teams 58-6 is not a result of how college football has functioned for so long? Maybe if College football allowed more teams an opportunity to play for a championship the top kids wouldn't all feel like they have to go to Alabama or Clemson to play for it. I think it is reasonable to expect it would create more parity down the road. 

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@IUc2016 good call on not quoting long posts! And yeah I'm opposed the scenario where an undefeated team doesn't have any chance at all, which is why I'm for minimal expansion (6 or 8 teams) along with stipulations that an undefeated conference champion will always get an auto bid. 

And your second point is really good. Yes, the lopsided nature of the sport and disparity between the powerful few and everyone else is likely a result of how college football has functioned for so long. And I can see an expanded playoff adding more parity slowly over the years. I'm still not convinced, but you're making me think...

(Is this the part where I start saying it doesn't matter anyway b/c in 20 years football will be on a fairly sharp decline and the amount of talented athletes playing football at a young age will be running thin therefore limiting the amount of high quality players playing college football and beyond b/c soccer has finally overtaken it as the most popular sport in America? No? Leave that out? Okay. Nevermind.) :-)

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24 minutes ago, NashvilleHoosier said:

@IUc2016 good call on not quoting long posts! And yeah I'm opposed the scenario where an undefeated team doesn't have any chance at all, which is why I'm for minimal expansion (6 or 8 teams) along with stipulations that an undefeated conference champion will always get an auto bid. 

And your second point is really good. Yes, the lopsided nature of the sport and disparity between the powerful few and everyone else is likely a result of how college football has functioned for so long. And I can see an expanded playoff adding more parity slowly over the years. I'm still not convinced, but you're making me think...

(Is this the part where I start saying it doesn't matter anyway b/c in 20 years football will be on a fairly sharp decline and the amount of talented athletes playing football at a young age will be running thin therefore limiting the amount of high quality players playing college football and beyond b/c soccer has finally overtaken it as the most popular sport in America? No? Leave that out? Okay. Nevermind.) :-)

Yeah I have no idea how expansion will affect the disparity that has plagued college football, just some thoughts I have had for awhile now as I am sick of not only watching Clemson and Bama, but hearing about them nonstop during football coverage. Hoping that change will have a positive impact on the sport because I am tired of the status quo.

As for soccer, I am all for it. And that is coming from someone who played football k-12. 

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