College Football Thread

[LIHoosier]

3 minutes ago, Hovadipo said:

Are you saying you think the Mountain West could get 2 bids with a UNLV win? I see no scenario where that happens. 

You think Sankey had the media go hard on IU? If that happens, you'll see a re-enactment of Lee Harvey Oswald and Jack Ruby at the CFP headquarters in Dallas.

[LamarCheeks]

One thing Reece Davis said makes sense -- get rid of the locked-in byes. 

Give the conference champs guaranteed bids, but don't guarantee them byes. Do like the hoops tourney -- take the conference champions and the at-large teams and seed them 1 through 12. 

Boise State and/or SMU getting byes is silly. 

[JerryYeagley23]

6 minutes ago, LamarCheeks said:

One thing Reece Davis said makes sense -- get rid of the locked-in byes. 

Give the conference champs guaranteed bids, but don't guarantee them byes. Do like the hoops tourney -- take the conference champions and the at-large teams and seed them 1 through 12. 

Boise State and/or SMU getting byes is silly. 

It’s really screwing up what should be good, exciting first round games. An Indiana/Boise St game or a Tennessee/Arizona St game would be much more entertaining. Give the 8-12 seeds legitimate chances to win a game in the playoffs and go to a big bowl game. Does anyone really want to see Georgia or Texas or Oregon beat a 10-12 seed by 40 points just to go play OSU or TN or ND in the second round for a competitive game? Rank them 1-12 so you have competitive games down the board. 

[HoosierFan1994]

4 minutes ago, LamarCheeks said:

One thing Reece Davis said makes sense -- get rid of the locked-in byes. 

Give the conference champs guaranteed bids, but don't guarantee them byes. Do like the hoops tourney -- take the conference champions and the at-large teams and seed them 1 through 12. 

Boise State and/or SMU getting byes is silly. 

I hope this changes next year. Whoever is the 5 seed has the best path to the semifinals. That is silly.

I also hope one day this happens but doubt it will: Only neutral site game is the championship. Make it like the NFL and let the schools host the playoffs. Make the Rose, Fiesta, Sugar, Cotton, Peach, and Orange bowls for the next 12 teams. Even if you miss the playoff you can still have a decent season if you are a top 25 team. 

[HoosierFan1994]

3 minutes ago, JerryYeagley23 said:

It’s really screwing up what should be good, exciting first round games. An Indiana/Boise St game or a Tennessee/Arizona St game would be much more entertaining. Give the 8-12 seeds legitimate chances to win a game in the playoffs and go to a big bowl game. Does anyone really want to see Georgia or Texas or Oregon beat a 10-12 seed by 40 points just to go play OSU or TN or ND in the second round for a competitive game? Rank them 1-12 so you have competitive games down the board. 

It's amazing how they can screw something really good up. Whoever came up with this idea...part of me thinks they stole it from the NFL. Ex: This year the NFC South/NFC West will likely host Minnesota or Green Bay only just because they won the division. Houston will likely play Baltimore, Pittsburgh, or LA Chargers at home for the same reason. 

[JerryYeagley23]

2 minutes ago, HoosierFan1994 said:

I hope this changes next year. Whoever is the 5 seed has the best path to the semifinals. That is silly.

I also hope one day this happens but doubt it will: Only neutral site game is the championship. Make it like the NFL and let the schools host the playoffs. Make the Rose, Fiesta, Sugar, Cotton, Peach, and Orange bowls for the next 12 teams. Even if you miss the playoff you can still have a decent season if you are a top 25 team. 

I’m 100% behind this as well, although no chance it will happen because of the money involved with those bowls who will demand the big revenue fan bases that travel in their games. But wouldn’t it be cool if one year we have a season similar to Illinois this year at 9-3 and got to go to the Rose Bowl? How much more would that mean to a team than it will for a UGA/Bama/Tx/OSU, etc. who treat it as a stepping stone to the semifinals? Also, I went to Jacksonville for our trip to the Gator Bowl in 2020, and the week leading up to the game was packed with things for the team and events that celebrated their season. As much as the playoffs are going to mean a lot, missing that bowl game experience for teams who don’t host the game is a loss. It’s just going to feel like a road game at some point even if it’s a big time game obviously. 

[rcbowla]

18 minutes ago, Hovadipo said:

Are you saying you think the Mountain West could get 2 bids with a UNLV win? I see no scenario where that happens. 

No. I am saying UNLV, Clemson and AZ St all being ranked outside top 12 but getting auto bids means 10, 11 and 12 ranked will be out. If the committee doesn't punish SMU and they want Bama in then IU is next on chopping block at #10 with Bama jumping us. It would take them inexplicably moving Bama above us but I put nothing out of the realm of possibility. Also it would take them "not punishing" SMU in that scenario. 

[rcbowla]

Basically I don't trust the Bama slobber knockers 

[JerryYeagley23]

7 minutes ago, rcbowla said:

No. I am saying UNLV, Clemson and AZ St all being ranked outside top 12 but getting auto bids means 10, 11 and 12 ranked will be out. If the committee doesn't punish SMU and they want Bama in then IU is next on chopping block at #10 with Bama jumping us. It would take them inexplicably moving Bama above us but I put nothing out of the realm of possibility. Also it would take them "not punishing" SMU in that scenario. 

This can’t happen. They answered this on the reveal show tonight in talking about Miami, Bama, S. Car and Ole Miss. Teams that are done playing are not moving. Bama can’t jump IU. The only movement will be seeding, or autos bumping out the 11/12 seeds. 

[DChoosier]

At number 10 we are virtually a lock to be in the playoff!!!

I hope GA beats Texas because I don’t want to open at GA. In 4 years the Georgia seniors have never lost a home game.  I think we could possibly break that streak but prefer to not find out.

[rcbowla]

16 minutes ago, JerryYeagley23 said:

This can’t happen. They answered this on the reveal show tonight in talking about Miami, Bama, S. Car and Ole Miss. Teams that are done playing are not moving. Bama can’t jump IU. The only movement will be seeding, or autos bumping out the 11/12 seeds. 

I get it but after last year I don't trust them

[WayneFleekHoosier]

Would be brutal. At Georgia, At Texas about as tough a draw we could get if it holds.


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[RaceToTheTop]

1 hour ago, rcbowla said:

No. I am saying UNLV, Clemson and AZ St all being ranked outside top 12 but getting auto bids means 10, 11 and 12 ranked will be out. If the committee doesn't punish SMU and they want Bama in then IU is next on chopping block at #10 with Bama jumping us. It would take them inexplicably moving Bama above us but I put nothing out of the realm of possibility. Also it would take them "not punishing" SMU in that scenario. 

You have it incorrect.

IU being at #10 is WITH the auto bids already in place.  IU is #9 in the CFP.  Currently they have SMU as the #3 seed (ACC auto bid) and Boise State at #4 (MWC auto bid).  Arizona State is at #12 as the fifth highest ranked conference winner.

Clemson is the only team that could steal and extra spot by beating SMU.  That would make Boise State the 3 seed and Clemson the 4. If the committee keeps their word, SMU would still be in the bracket as well and Alabama would be knocked out.  Now, what they do with SMU's seeding is up for debate -- they could keep them where they are or they could adjust for the loss and move them down to 11 with the Big 12 champion being at #12.

One interesting scenario to be tested is if Boise State were to get beat badly by UNLV.  At that point, the winner of the Big 12 would likely be the 4 seed since they are ranked higher than UNLV, but UNLV would be in as the 12 seed.  But does the committee keep their word and keep Boise State in the CFP over Alabama if Clemson also wins?

[RaceToTheTop]

8 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

Would be brutal. At Georgia, At Texas about as tough a draw we could get if it holds.


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My gut says that the winners of conference championships might move up slightly if they win while the losers move down a little if they lose.....but will not be removed from the CFP even with a loss.

The #1 seed could be Oregon, Texas, or Penn State.  If Oregon wins they are the 1.  If Texas wins and Oregon loses, Texas is the 1.  If Penn State wins and Texas loses, Penn State is the 1.

I think if Penn State loses, they will flip spots with Notre Dame.

Georgia will be the 2 seed if they beat Texas.

 

[RaceToTheTop]

3 hours ago, LamarCheeks said:

If Iowa State beats Arizona State, that seems pretty simple -- ISU just takes ASU's spot. 

But what if Clemson beats SMU? Clemson has to get in. I guess Alabama gets bumped in that case? 

Correct.

[RaceToTheTop]

3 hours ago, Hovadipo said:

I could see them just tossing SMU in favor of Bama. Especially if Clemson wins convincingly. It’s gross but you can’t tell me it isn’t possible. 

I wouldn't say it's impossible but the committee has been saying that they aren't going to remove teams for losing conference championships.

[RaceToTheTop]

2 hours ago, rcbowla said:

They are the least worrisome of the 3 I mentioned. Would you be surprised to see IU bounced for Bama? Under the worst case scenario of 3 autos not in top 12 I could see it.

Indiana is at #9 in the rankings.  It is not possible for three auto bids to bounce them out of the tournament.  The reason that IU is seeded 11th is to allow the auto bids at #3 and #4.  The last auto bid is currently seeded 12.

The worst case scenario would be Clemson beating SMU and the committee not readjusting SMU's ranking which is one ahead of IU.  But in that scenario, IU would just move from 11 to 12.  It is not possible for the Big 12 or the Mountain West to steal an extra spot from IU because there is no current Big 12 or Mountain West team ranked ahead of IU.  Both the MWC and Big 12 will be one bid leagues.

[rcbowla]

10 hours ago, RaceToTheTop said:

Indiana is at #9 in the rankings.  It is not possible for three auto bids to bounce them out of the tournament.  The reason that IU is seeded 11th is to allow the auto bids at #3 and #4.  The last auto bid is currently seeded 12.

The worst case scenario would be Clemson beating SMU and the committee not readjusting SMU's ranking which is one ahead of IU.  But in that scenario, IU would just move from 11 to 12.  It is not possible for the Big 12 or the Mountain West to steal an extra spot from IU because there is no current Big 12 or Mountain West team ranked ahead of IU.  Both the MWC and Big 12 will be one bid leagues.

I know all of that. My entire scenario hinged on the committee putting Alabama in over IU in said scenario. There is no reasoning for it other than "Bama".

[Hoosierfan2017]

I don’t think Alabama deserves the final spot, but the complaints from the Miami fans are rich. Sure, Alabama is ranked where it is because of the brand, but Miami was also over ranked because of its brand. They weren’t impressive all year. Now they have two losses on top of a 7 point win against Louisville, a 4 point win against Virginia Tech, and a 1 point win against Cal. IU, for example, has 11 wins, 10 of them by 14+ points, and we’re only a few spots ahead of Miami. Sorry Miami fans, but you just ran into a bigger brand in Alabama. Neither of you deserve the spot. 

[IUHoosierPenguin]

Two questions: (1) Is there any conceivable way that IU could host a playoff game? (I don't think so but wondered what permutations I may have missed that would result in something like that.) (2) What are the chances that IU will not play either Texas or Georgia? (If so, who else could they play?)