Quality Young Coaches vs Tom Crean.

[KB0]

No one plays a similar game as Virginia. Their offense is made for sloths.

 

You realize how slow of an offense Stevens ran at Butler, right?

[hoosierpap]

His style is awfully similar to what Stevens played at Butler..

 

 

You realize how slow of an offense Stevens ran at Butler, right?

 

Very, very generally I guess. If by similar you mean slow tempo offense, emphasis on defense...okay. But in terms of what they actually run on both ends, not similar. 

[JSHoosier]

http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/02/26/is-tony-bennett-a-viable-candidate-for-iu/

Reading the names thrown out in those comments...yikes.  Anthony Grant, Brad Brownell, Lickliter, Keno Davis.

[hoosierpap]

Reading the names thrown out in those comments...yikes. Anthony Grant, Brad Brownell, Lickliter, Keno Davis.

Believe Lon Kruger made it pretty deep in the actual conversation

[KB0]

Very, very generally I guess. If by similar you mean slow tempo offense, emphasis on defense...okay. But in terms of what they actually run on both ends, not similar. 

 

I was talking strictly tempo, yes. Sets obviously are different, but their tempos are similar. 

[hoosierpap]

I was talking strictly tempo, yes. Sets obviously are different, but their tempos are similar.

Gotcha, agreed. For example, not sure Butler broke top 200 in off tempo under Stevens. Thats coming off the top of my head though so could be incorrect. Efficiency was consistently tops in the country though.

[Uwe Robb]

Gotcha, agreed. For example, not sure Butler broke top 200 in off tempo under Stevens. Thats coming off the top of my head though so could be incorrect. Efficiency was consistently tops in the country though.

Not sure about Virginia's tempo, but their Off Efficiency is currently 12th and was 24th in 2015 and 21st in 2014.

 

Give me a Butler or Virginia team that plays great D and values the ball. Over a team that scores 80 but turns the ball over 18-20 times a game.

[Feathery]

What? Um, I think Enfield has gotten USC in the top 25 for the 1st time since dirt! He got FGCU in the Sweet Sixteen in his second year. Don't think that this record puts him in the "hot garbage" category!

Yes Enfield is hot garbage for a coaching change to a program like IU. He literally has had ZERO conference success. In the Pac12 he has finished 12th, 12th, and is currently sitting at 7-5 in conference. At FGCU he finished 6th and 2nd. He got hit in March and made a run to get a promotion to USC. He will need to finish this season strong and actually win something before he should be a candidate for any historic program.

[X-Hoosier]

I was talking strictly tempo, yes. Sets obviously are different, but their tempos are similar.

I don't think you realize just how slow Virginia.

[biteoftheapple]

I don't think you realize just how slow Virginia.

You need a new perspective. Defense and valuing the ball wins now, before, and after.

[Dalton26]

I don't think you realize just how slow Virginia.

Who cares how slow they are as long as they are efficient?

[Hovadipo]

I don't think you realize just how slow Virginia.

Their "slowness" produces the 12th adjusted offense in America. 2 spots ahead of...

...Indiana.

[X-Hoosier]

You need a new perspective. Defense and valuing the ball wins now, before, and after.

You can play a 75 possessions a game and play defense. You don't have to play 62 at possessions.

[biteoftheapple]

And 14+ turnovers

[Brass Cannon]

You can play a 75 possessions a game and play defense. You don't have to play 62 at possessions.

It's harder. It's exhausting to go at that pace in offense then play defense.

That's why guys like oladipo were so valued.

[Uwe Robb]

Virginia is 4th lowest in the country with 9.5 TO's per game. Sometimes it helps to slow it down.

[X-Hoosier]

Virginia is 4th lowest in the country with 9.5 TO's per game. Sometimes it helps to slow it down.

They average 9.5 turnovers and play 62.5 possessions a game. Oklahoma Playa 75 possessions a game and turns it over 12.7 times game. It is possible to take care of the ball at a faster pace.

[Uwe Robb]

They average 9.5 turnovers and play 62.5 possessions a game. Oklahoma Playa 75 possessions a game and turns it over 12.7 times game. It is possible to take care of the ball at a faster pace.

I completely agree that it's possible. It's even possible to do and win.

 

You are the one claiming that it is not possible to do things the other way. There is not just one way to win in college basketball.

[X-Hoosier]

And While Stevens was at Butler he actually sped up.
07-08: 62.5 possessions
08-09: 64.2
09-10: 65.3
10-11: 66.9
11-12: 66.5
12-13: 66.3
That is while the game around him was slowing way down. Tony Bennetts first 6 years at Virginia is a different story(this season is his 7th).
09-10: 65.5
10-11: 63.3
11-12: 62.5
12-13: 62.8
13-14: 62.5
14-15: 60.2
This year Virginia is averaging 62.8. Which is actually dead last in college basketball and 4 possessions a game behind our slow tempo friend Wisconsin.

[X-Hoosier]

I completely agree that it's possible. It's even possible to do and win.

You are the one claiming that it is not possible to do things the other way. There is not just one way to win in college basketball.

You're right. You'll see that I've said it before... you have to play both ways.