2017 IUBB recruiting

[Class of '66 Old Fart 91,110]

Zagsblog Weekend Recruiting Roundup:    http://www.zagsblog.com/2016/10/27/recruiting-roundup-weekend-visits-tidbits-9/

Billy Preston, the 6-foot-10 power forward from Oak Hill (VA) Academy, takes his fourth official visit to USC this weekend (Oct. 28). Preston has already taken officials to Kansas (Sept. 30), Syracuse (Oct. 15), and Indiana (Oct. 21). He has no other visits planned.

David Beatty, a 6-f0ot-3 combo guard from Imhotep Institute (PA) Charter High School, takes his second official visit to South Carolina this weekend (Oct. 28). Beatty took an official to Georgetown earlier this month (Oct. 7) and plans to visit Indiana next month for an official (Nov. 4). Beatty is also considering UConn and Maryland.

[Hardwood83 5,073]

The Beatty recruitment is puzzling to me.

[Class of '66 Old Fart 91,110]

It is a real conundrum.  We want the best talent; the coaching staff wants the best talent.  But where do you draw the line when you're a program such as IU in terms of allocating recruiting budgets and time?   We spend an awfully lot of time and dollars spinning our wheels and seemingly chasing rainbows from an outsiders point of view.  Does the number of offers we throw out help us or work against us?  If (assuming the worst) we don't get either Preston or Wilkes, going forward should we reduce our recruiting effort on 5-stars to a much smaller number of highly select targets and concentrate more on 4-star talent where we don't have to constantly go head to head with the likes of Duke, pUKe, etc.?  If we had followed this type of approach, would our last couple of classes been solidified such that we didn't have to scramble to sign Priller and April?  Or get damn lucky in picking up grad transfers Nick Z. and Max B.?   I don't know what the right approach should or should not be, but if we strike out on both Preston and Wilkes, does our recruiting approach need to take a different direction?  Strictly food for thought.

[Alford Bailey 13,228]

53 minutes ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

It is a real conundrum.  We want the best talent; the coaching staff wants the best talent.  But where do you draw the line when you're a program such as IU in terms of allocating recruiting budgets and time?   We spend an awfully lot of time and dollars spinning our wheels and seemingly chasing rainbows from an outsiders point of view.  Does the number of offers we throw out help us or work against us?  If (assuming the worst) we don't get either Preston or Wilkes, going forward should we reduce our recruiting effort on 5-stars to a much smaller number of highly select targets and concentrate more on 4-star talent where we don't have to constantly go head to head with the likes of Duke, pUKe, etc.?  If we had followed this type of approach, would our last couple of classes been solidified such that we didn't have to scramble to sign Priller and April?  Or get damn lucky in picking up grad transfers Nick Z. and Max B.?   I don't know what the right approach should or should not be, but if we strike out on both Preston and Wilkes, does our recruiting approach need to take a different direction?  Strictly food for thought.

I dunno. You would think that 5 star bigs would want to come here especially if we send TB to the league this year. You can pretty much come here and be the man.

[Hardwood83 5,073]

1 hour ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

It is a real conundrum.  We want the best talent; the coaching staff wants the best talent.  But where do you draw the line when you're a program such as IU in terms of allocating recruiting budgets and time?   We spend an awfully lot of time and dollars spinning our wheels and seemingly chasing rainbows from an outsiders point of view.  Does the number of offers we throw out help us or work against us?  If (assuming the worst) we don't get either Preston or Wilkes, going forward should we reduce our recruiting effort on 5-stars to a much smaller number of highly select targets and concentrate more on 4-star talent where we don't have to constantly go head to head with the likes of Duke, pUKe, etc.?  If we had followed this type of approach, would our last couple of classes been solidified such that we didn't have to scramble to sign Priller and April?  Or get damn lucky in picking up grad transfers Nick Z. and Max B.?   I don't know what the right approach should or should not be, but if we strike out on both Preston and Wilkes, does our recruiting approach need to take a different direction?  Strictly food for thought.

I don't know the answer either- as we aren't always losing to the "elite" programs. Georgetown, Miami and Mississippi St come to mind. It's a meat market for sure.

[Brass Cannon 25,453]

So something needs to change the amount of money we spend on recruiting should not leave us relying on diamonds in the rough. 

With us missing on Waters. Soon to miss on Wilkes and Preston. 

I don't know what the answer is but something needs to change. 

[HoosierTrav 8,339]

If we want to have sustainable success, we need to start being realistic. We need to recruit the same player pool that high Mid major programs such as Xavier recruits at. No more wasting money on recruiting all of these 5 stars that we have no realistic shot at. It's not paying off and our ROI is AWFUL!!! If we are constantly going against Xavier and programs alike, we will have much more success and can build title contenders.

[biteoftheapple 4,115]

So, if you cannot beat the opponent, you lessen the playing field? No thanjsx thats just not trying.

[HoosierTrav 8,339]

So, if you cannot beat the opponent, you lessen the playing field? No thanjsx thats just not trying.

More like picking your spots a bit better and realizing that we aren't a tier 1 school. But sure... keep sinking $800k+ for continued failures recruiting 5* players. You can win big recruiting 3-4 stars, when you have the pick of the litter and a development program like ours. We can't sustain success with our current approach.

[HoosierTrav 8,339]

More like picking your spots a bit better and realizing that we aren't a tier 1 school. But sure... keep sinking $800k+ for continued failures recruiting 5* players. You can win big recruiting 3-4 stars, when you have the pick of the litter and a development program like ours. We can't sustain success with our current approach.

Did I hurt your feelings?

[HoosierAloha 30,102]

More like picking your spots a bit better and realizing that we aren't a tier 1 school. But sure... keep sinking $800k+ for continued failures recruiting 5* players. You can win big recruiting 3-4 stars, when you have the pick of the litter and a development program like ours. We can't sustain success with our current approach.

Did I hurt your feelings?

You okay Trav?

[HoosierTrav 8,339]

You okay Trav?

Lol. Yeah man. Wasn't trying to be a Purdue person. Just starting to get tired of dealing with the prima donnas. I honestly think we can be a contender year in and year out by not trying to compete with the new age blue bloods, in regards to recruiting.

[HoosierTrav 8,339]

Sorry for being a Purdue Person.

[Bowhunter 3,129]

So is my concern for Crean''s s ability to recruit in-state and land high profile kids Okay now that we areally missing out on Wilkes too?

[Walking Boot of Doom 18,170]

So is my concern for Crean''s s ability to recruit in-state and land high profile kids Okay now that we areally missing out on Wilkes too?

Nope


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[Brass Cannon 25,453]

Looking at our current projected roster unless we have a diamond in the rough in this class and next years I see no chance at us having a chance at contending for the big ten title next season. Not enough raw talent to win a league that's competitive year in and year out

[Alford Bailey 13,228]

2 hours ago, HoosierTrav said:

More like picking your spots a bit better and realizing that we aren't a tier 1 school. But sure... keep sinking $800k+ for continued failures recruiting 5* players. You can win big recruiting 3-4 stars, when you have the pick of the litter and a development program like ours. We can't sustain success with our current approach.

I tend to agree. Better shot at keeping a balanced roster that way.

[HoosierAloha 30,102]

Lol. Yeah man. Wasn't trying to be a Purdue person. Just starting to get tired of dealing with the prima donnas. I honestly think we can be a contender year in and year out by not trying to compete with the new age blue bloods, in regards to recruiting.

I was concerned you were questioning your previous post...

[BGleas 9,030]

I've got us 1-for-14 on 24/7 composite 5/4* recruits from Indiana since 2013. That includes 2017, but doesn't include guys that just played prep school here. So guys like Brian Bowen and Issac Humphries weren't included. 

Of course we didn't target every one of them, in some cases there were extenuating circumstances (Swanigan/Lyles), and in some cases we got better players from out of state, but that's still not a good number. 

[Crimson and Cream 5,968]

2 hours ago, HoosierAloha said:

I was concerned you were questioning your previous post...

Yeah I was so lost there