GOP Debate...

[Miller'sTheMan 1,652]

Rand Paul is my guy. He's a bit different but I like him a lot and I think his tax plan is really good. Disappointed he didnt get a lot of air time in the debate.

 

Also don't know much about this Carly Florina but I heard she nailed the earlier debate so I'll have my eye on her.

[Bobman1 2,909]

I honestly think that is how voting should go on Election Day. You fill that out and whoever you get is your vote. Not a popularity contest, but an actual measure of were you align with the respective candidates.

That would actually be pretty good because so many people go to the booths voting for the most known person from the party they think they're apart of.

[HoosierReb01 7,511]

Frankly I don't have a problem with the confederate flag being banned.  That flag will always carry the connotation of the darkest period in our history, no matter how much people want to call it a symbol of pride.  Even Germany banned the swastika even though that was a sacred symbol of well-being used by multiple cultures for thousands of years before Hitler got his hands on it.

Not my point actually. Although I have a real problem with anything being banned because of a connotation, even if I understand it. 

[Stuhoo 79,569]

Not my point actually. Although I have a real problem with anything being banned because of a connotation, even if I understand it. 

 

In civilized society we ban stuff because of the connotations they present all the time; it's a line-drawing exercise as to how far ya wanna go.

 

For instance; we ban the use of racial epithets on this site, no?

The government bans campaigning within a few hundred yards of a federal election polling booth. 

The government banned the display of the Nazi flag during WWII - no one complained.

 

The only place the Confederate flag has been banned is on government land; not private land.

BTW: I'm not African American, but I'm pretty sure that if I was, that flag would be scary as sh_t.

[Bryan Medema 1,488]

Not my point actually. Although I have a real problem with anything being banned because of a connotation, even if I understand it. 

Agreed. To use specific language, it should not be endorsed by the state (or the states), but obviously private use should not be infringed. I do however feel that the Federal government has a right to compel (even if only through the bully-pulpit) states to not endorse it, though not a right to restrict State government's usage. 

[jmsgws 2,181]

To my knowledge the Confederate flag has not been banned anywhere.  Taken down, yes, banned no.

[HoosierReb01 7,511]

In civilized society we ban stuff because of the connotations they present all the time; it's a line-drawing exercise as to how far ya wanna go.

 

For instance; we ban the use of racial epithets on this site, no?

The government bans campaigning within a few hundred yards of a federal election polling booth. 

The government banned the display of the Nazi flag during WWII - no one complained.

 

The only place the Confederate flag has been banned is on government land; not private land.

BTW: I'm not African American, but I'm pretty sure that if I was, that flag would be scary as sh_t.

In a free society, we wouldn't.

 

As far as the site goes, its private, and 41 can ban anything he wants. My point had nothing to do with self censorship of private entities, or even government censorship of private entities, which I assume we all agree to be a violation of the 1st admendment. It had to do with the way the question was asked in the quiz.

 

In Indiana I believe that no electioneering is allowed within 50 feet of the entrance to a poll. I think that's a question of free elections, more than a restriction on speech. 

 

 

As far as your last statement, that all depends. The Confederate flag would be pretty much a non-issue if not for its adoption by the KKK in the 40's or 50's. And the connotation is still promoted by too many ignorant rednecks to this day. 

[JSHoosier 19,811]

Not my point actually. Although I have a real problem with anything being banned because of a connotation, even if I understand it. 

So you'd be okay with someone flying a swastika?  I mean, history tells us it was a sacred symbol of well-being until an evil @$$hole ruined it for everyone giving it the connotation of hatred and genocide.  Should all versions of the confederate flag be allowed, even the one that the creator called a "symbol of Heaven ordained supremacy of the white man" (which has the flag we refer to right there on it)?  Or is it just the battle flag of Lee's regiment that even he wanted gone to help close the sores from the war?  It was never even a confederate national flag, it just represented an confederate army regiment that surrendered; the actually intended symbol of racism was a confederate national flag.  Where's the line at?

 

As as been said, things get banned because of connotations quite a bit.  Forums don't allow racial slurs, even though words have no power unless you give them power.  The swastika is hated by many, and banned in Germany, because of the connotation it will forever carry, even if it was sacred for thousands of years.

[Alford Bailey 12,350]

Slightly right wing centrist Libertarian. Nailed me pretty good. 

 

Paul 83%

Cruz 79%

Rubio 74%

Walker 73%

Carson 70%

 

Some of these questions in these quizzes just never work for me. As in,

Should the federal government allow states to fly the confederate flag?

 

Properly put, the question is: Should any state allow the federal government to tell them, or any other state, what kind of flag they can fly?

" Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both."- Ben Franklin

This is where we are at in this country with our far over reaching and power hungry federal government.

[HoosierAloha 30,024]

So you'd be okay with someone flying a swastika? I mean, history tells us it was a sacred symbol of well-being until an evil @$$hole ruined it for everyone giving it the connotation of hatred and genocide. Should all versions of the confederate flag be allowed, even the one that the creator called a "symbol of Heaven ordained supremacy of the white man" (which has the flag we refer to right there on it)? Or is it just the battle flag of Lee's regiment that even he wanted gone to help close the sores from the war? It was never even a confederate national flag, it just represented an confederate army regiment that surrendered; the actually intended symbol of racism was a confederate national flag. Where's the line at?

As as been said, things get banned because of connotations quite a bit. Forums don't allow racial slurs, even though words have no power unless you give them power. The swastika is hated by many, and banned in Germany, because of the connotation it will forever carry, even if it was sacred for thousands of years.

Who am I to tell someone what they can or can't fly? I can assume they are flying it because they're racist b*******, as a sacred symbol, or actually find out the reason they're flying it. Life is 10% your action and 90% your reactions. I have more of an issue with people (government), to an extent, saying what others can or can't do than stupid people doing stupid things.

[HoosierReb01 7,511]

So you'd be okay with someone flying a swastika?  I mean, history tells us it was a sacred symbol of well-being until an evil @$$hole ruined it for everyone giving it the connotation of hatred and genocide.  Should all versions of the confederate flag be allowed, even the one that the creator called a "symbol of Heaven ordained supremacy of the white man" (which has the flag we refer to right there on it)?  Or is it just the battle flag of Lee's regiment that even he wanted gone to help close the sores from the war?  It was never even a confederate national flag, it just represented an confederate army regiment that surrendered; the actually intended symbol of racism was a confederate national flag.  Where's the line at?

 

As as been said, things get banned because of connotations quite a bit.  Forums don't allow racial slurs, even though words have no power unless you give them power.  The swastika is hated by many, and banned in Germany, because of the connotation it will forever carry, even if it was sacred for thousands of years.

Why should my being OK with it have anything to do with it? I am not OK with the swastika, but am firmly of the belief that it its their right to fly it if they want to. Yes, allow all versions of the Confederate flag, why not? If you think, symbolism of a flag or not, that the Union was actually any less racist than the Confederacy, then you need to dig into some history that hasn't been dumbed down for high school. Racism was very strong in the North, to the point that in the 1920's the KKK was supreme in Indiana, and could draw crowds of hooded supporters into the five digits. Should we ban the Stars and Stripes because of the actual racism it represented? Should we ban Planned Parenthood because Margaret Sanger was a white supremacist who believed that birth control would help control the spread of sub-humans? Institutionalized racism was prevalent in the North before, during and after the Civil War, ever bit as much as it ever was in the South. The Stars and Stripes is ever bit as much as stained as the Confederate battle flag.

 

Banning a flag because of a connotation reminds me of the old saying about a thousand people hacking at the limbs of the tree of evil while one hacks at the roots. It looks like you're actually doing something, but a new limb emerges and no lasting change is made. It's basically nothing but a feel good move, symbolism over reality.

 

Wheres the line at? Truthfully the line has to be where you set it for yourself. But I don't believe I have a right to limit anyone else's speech any more than I want them limiting mine. How I feel about what they have to say has nothing to do with it.

[AZ Hoosier 6,528]

Who am I to tell someone what they can or can't fly? I can assume they are flying it because they're racist b*******, as a sacred symbol, or actually find out the reason they're flying it. Life is 10% your action and 90% your reactions. I have more of an issue with people (government), to an extent, saying what others can or can't do than stupid people doing stupid things.

 

There's a whole lot of truth and common sense right here ^^^^^.

[Defenserocks28 393]

I honestly think that is how voting should go on Election Day. You fill that out and whoever you get is your vote. Not a popularity contest, but an actual measure of were you align with the respective candidates.

I love this idea.  I believe a lot of people just vote the party line, especially when one doesn't know anything about the individuals running (hellloooo judges).  Moreover, I've met  a lot of individuals who either identify as republican or democrat, but when you start questioning them on the issues it turns out they are the exact opposite.  It would be amazing if there was a way to implement said idea.  

[Alford Bailey 12,350]

I honestly think that is how voting should go on Election Day. You fill that out and whoever you get is your vote. Not a popularity contest, but an actual measure of were you align with the respective candidates.

I agree but not sure the majority of Americans could do it. Many of them struggle with a simple election ballot.

[jmsgws 2,181]

 Many of them struggle with a simple election ballot.

I thought that was only Florida, and they got that fixed.  :)  #hangingchad

[OliviaPope40 6,423]

I thought that was only Florida, and they got that fixed.   :)  #hangingchad

My aunt told me that Sandra Day O'Connor said in an interview that the Supreme Court should have never got involved in the Bush v Gore case.

http://takingnote.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/04/29/oconnor-regrets-bush-v-gore/?_r=0

Edited August 10, 2015 by OliviaPope40

[Josh 12,553]

I thought that was only Florida, and they got that fixed.  :)  #hangingchad

Hey! We don't always screw it up. Ohio does too.

[HoosierAloha 30,024]

What do you mean?  What'd she do to them?

 

It's not a big secret the Clinton's don't really care for the military but when a portion protect you everywhere you go...

 

I've heard numerous stories from numerous friends who I trust.  Some of those stories include being pushed into a broom closet to get them out of sight.  I've heard ridiculous request made which could never be accomplished in the requested time and the backlash the teams received for questioning it.  When you piss on one of the most integral parts of your protection team it's not a good look.

[Alford Bailey 12,350]

My aunt told me that Sandra Day O'Connor said in an interview that the Supreme Court should have never got involved in the Bush v Gore case.

http://takingnote.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/04/29/oconnor-regrets-bush-v-gore/?_r=0

The Supreme Court shouldnt get involved with many of the cases they do these days. Hard for those five activist judges to push the Obama agenda if they dont, though.

[HoosierReb01 7,511]

The Supreme Court shouldnt get involved with many of the cases they do these days. Hard for those five activist judges to push the Obama agenda if they dont, though.

Easy there. Political threads can go sideways real fast, which is why they are normally not encouraged. Lets not open things up to much.