I want Tom Crean to stay

[Dalton26 16,892]

Sometimes you get what you deserve I guess. Can you imagine having to train a guy like Archie Miller on the job in the Big Ten?

We're still waiting for someone to train Crean...

[Uspshoosier 45,962]

"Because you're looking small time while I'm looking big picture. I'm not letting one season with a #1 ranking where we crapped the bed down the stretch overshadow his entire career as a mediocre coach."

I thought you didn't look at just one season? Where is the big picture with a guy who has only been HC for 137 games, ever??

I think your distain for Crean blinds you some. Don't let Archie Miller be your rebound coach...

if Stevens or Donavan were available (next year or year after) and had interest would you be opposed to a coaching change?

[IU Bud 445]

There is so much negativity here right now, I just wanted to make it clear not everyone is screaming for a coaching change. Not trying to troll, just wanted to say I am not a fan of pulling the plug and start from scratch again.

Add 4 frontcourt guys to this current team and we will be fine. Devin, OG, Morgan, and likely Bryant.

I trust Crean is not happy with how this season finished. And I'm sure he is working to remedy that.

I hear what you are saying. I don't want to have to make a change. If Crean would ever learn how to manage a roster and stop the high turnover, he could stay. We will never sustain a top 25 program if we are always among the youngest teams. A one and done player is okay as long as you have a mix of 2, 3, and 4 year players.

 

I pray Yogi, Troy, and JBJ return and we add a big.  If that group can build some chemistry, they could be very good. Crean is good enough to lead a good team.  He needs to get better bringing in the right players. I am okay with another year, but if I see any more guards or 6'-7" small forwards guarding 7 foot players, I am going to assume that is his choice and insist he coach in a program that this kind of lineup is acceptable.

[HoosierPT 121]

Sometimes you get what you deserve I guess. Can you imagine having to train a guy like Archie Miller on the job in the Big Ten? 

 

 

 Not to mention a guy who has yet to coach a game with his own players. At least Mike Davis parlayed that to the Final Four. Count me out...

[HoosierPT 121]

I hear what you are saying. I don't want to have to make a change. If Crean would ever learn how to manage a roster and stop the high turnover, he could stay. We will never sustain a top 25 program if we are always among the youngest teams. A one and done player is okay as long as you have a mix of 2, 3, and 4 year players.

 

I pray Yogi, Troy, and JBJ return and we add a big.  If that group can build some chemistry, they could be very good. Crean is good enough to lead a good team.  He needs to get better bringing in the right players. I am okay with another year, but if I see any more guards or 6'-7" small forwards guarding 7 foot players, I am going to assume that is his choice and insist he coach in a program that this kind of lineup is acceptable.

 

That's very fair. Well put.

[Uspshoosier 45,962]

We're still waiting for someone to train Crean...

he won an outright big ten title without being trained?( I know credit to players only) Kudos for him I guess. Could u imagine if someone actually trained him to coach

[Dalton26 16,892]

he won an outright big ten title without being trained?( I know credit to players only) Kudos for him I guess. Could u imagine if someone actually trained him to coach

And he choked down the stretch and failed in comparison to what was expected with that same team. He also failed to make the NIT too. But I guess that doesn't matter.

[Class of '66 Old Fart 84,940]

The present situation with the program just seems so similar to a marriage that has broken down with irreconcilable differences and the parties are only staying together for the benefit of the kids.  For whatever reasons the overall results are simply not what IU fans expect and I honestly don't think Crean can be happy either because the performance on the court is a reflection on him in whatever future coaching job he may hope to land.  I think both sides are worn out and regardless of what happens next season, I think he leaves.  If it's a repeat of the past 2 seasons, Glass cuts the cord.  If he has a really good season, I think he leaves of his own volition for a fresh start elsewhere.  I just don't see this 'marriage' lasting more than 1 more year.

[HoosierPT 121]

if Stevens or Donavan were available (next year or year after) and had interest would you be opposed to a coaching change?

 

I think it is something you can and should evaluate every season. If Crean lands Bryant and he, Yogi, and Troy take us to this weekend next season I would say no to a change.

 

To be fair, I really don't believe Stevens or Donovan are dying to come to IU. We would have to make either a top 3 paid coach ($4.1 million +) just to better their current salary. And those are long-terms deals. There is also the buyout issue. Lots of variables that change from year to year.

[HoosierPT 121]

And he choked down the stretch and failed in comparison to what was expected with that same team. He also failed to make the NIT too. But I guess that doesn't matter.

 

Choked = lost to #1 seed KY in SEC country. I guess Notre Dame and Mike Brey choked last night too. Fire him.

[JSHoosier 20,310]

What has Donovan or Stevens said or done to make you think they want to come to IU? Anything, public or private? It is pure speculation. Why would they want to quit their current jobs and walk in here to work under the scrutiny of this fan base? The money in Boston and FL is just as green and the life is much less stressful.

 

You can Crean now and you are going to get a Gregg Marshall or Archie Miller or Larry Krystkowiak. No thanks.

You do realize that Gregg Marshall is more proven and accomplished than Crean, right?  His track record blows Crean out of the water actually.

 

The guy has won his conference 9 times in 17 years as a head coach, compared to Crean's 2 in 16 years.  If you actually look at Crean's career instead of going by hopes and dreams he's closer to being Mike Davis than a good coach.

 

Life is less stressful as a coach in Boston?  Not hardly.  Those fans are just as crazy as any you can think of.

 

So, let's assume that Stevens and Donovan are not leaving their cushy environs and $3.7 annual salaries to come rescue IU. You would settle for Archie Miller who only has 2 years of HC experience and has a .591 record in the Atlantic 10. Why?

Crean is making $3.16 annually, making him one of the highest paid coaches in the NCAA, and he hasn't done much over his career.  Unless a 66% winning percentage and two conference titles over 16 years is impressive to you.

 

You got the word assume right though, that's all your doing.  You assume Stevens, a guy that grew up idolizing IU and Bob Knight, would have no interest in a position that is supposedly his dream job.  I don't know that he'd take it, he doesn't like recruiting, but you can't say he wouldn't any more than anyone else can say he would.

[Dalton26 16,892]

Choked = lost to #1 seed KY in SEC country. I guess Notre Dame and Mike Brey choked last night too. Fire him.

What are you talking about? We got beat down by Syracuse.

[hoosierpap 14,300]

You should buy a membership to Inside The Hall. Bozich has everyone over there in Crean's camp. It is truly pathetic. They love mediocrity.

 

Do you realize that Wisconsin spends as much on recruiting in a year as Crean does during two weeks in July? We could not beat Wisconsin if we played them 500 times. Wisconsin could beat us with their managers. 

haha does he really? I wish I could see that

[HoosierPT 121]

You do realize that Gregg Marshall is more proven and accomplished than Crean, right?  His track record blows Crean out of the water actually.

 

The guy has won his conference 9 times in 17 years as a head coach, compared to Crean's 2 in 16 years.  If you actually look at Crean's career instead of going by hopes and dreams he's closer to being Mike Davis than a good coach.

 

Life is less stressful as a coach in Boston?  Not hardly.  Those fans are just as crazy as any you can think of.

 

Crean is making $3.16 annually, making him one of the highest paid coaches in the NCAA, and he hasn't done much over his career.  Unless a 66% winning percentage and two conference titles over 16 years is impressive to you.

 

You got the word assume right though, that's all your doing.  You assume Stevens, a guy that grew up idolizing IU and Bob Knight, would have no interest in a position that is supposedly his dream job.  I don't know that he'd take it, he doesn't like recruiting, but you can't say he wouldn't any more than anyone else can say he would.

 

How true. We are all ASSuming.

 

Something tells me Marshall's record in the Big South and Missouri Valley Conference don't exactly compare to the Big Ten. But again I'm just assuming. Do you think the 3-star talent off his top recruits will translate to the Big Ten?

[HoosierPT 121]

What are you talking about? We got beat down by Syracuse.

 And their junk zone. I hear Boheim is available in 3 years.

 

Sorry I got Crean's multiple sweet sixteen appearances mixed up. What business does a bad coach have with multiple sweet 16s anyway? That's also 1 more than Gregg Marshall has total in his 17 years...

[mdiu28 1,768]

The problem with a lot of the Crean supporters is they keep using the B1G Championship season with Cody and Vic as a selling point. Yes, we won the B1G (barely tho. We almost choked it away by not beating OSU on our home floor on senior night). Other than that, the season, at least in my eyes, was a massive disappointment. The #1 seed was cool and all but we clearly were not worthy of it. We barely squeaked by Temple only to get washed by Syracuse in the S16. Underachieving, mediocre basketball with Crean not knowing how to utilize our 5-star big man Cody Zeller.

 

What makes you Crean supports think it will be different if we get a big for next year? What has Crean shown you?   

[KingPG21 6,587]

Choked = lost to #1 seed KY in SEC country. I guess Notre Dame and Mike Brey choked last night too. Fire him.

We lost to Syracuse that year. We looked like utter garbage in the game too.

[Uspshoosier 45,962]

And he choked down the stretch and failed in comparison to what was expected with that same team. He also failed to make the NIT too. But I guess that doesn't matter.

so u stated he wasn't trained what do u expect from someone with no training ( sarcasm) Seems to me he is on par with the coaches that have coached the last 20 years. Choking down the stretch, failing to make nit and losing in early rounds of ncaa tournament. I'm not saying I want him as coach but some people need to wake up and acknowledge we have a program problem not just a coaching problem

[JSHoosier 20,310]

How true. We are all ASSuming.

 

Something tells me Marshall's record in the Big South and Missouri Valley Conference don't exactly compare to the Big Ten. But again I'm just assuming. Do you think the 3-star talent off his top recruits will translate to the Big Ten?

He would need a more talented team, but he would have recruiting resources here that he doesn't have currently.  I do think his ability to get the most out of those players and have them playing good fundamental basketball would translate.

 

Marshall wouldn't be my first choice, but would I take him over Crean?  Absolutely, where do I sign up?  If nothing else seeing a good fundamental team would be refreshing over Crean's philosophy of weave weave weave and if that fails Rucker Park street ball crap.

[KingPG21 6,587]

And their junk zone. I hear Boheim is available in 3 years.

Sorry I got Crean's multiple sweet sixteen appearances mixed up. What business does a bad coach have with multiple sweet 16s anyway? That's also 1 more than Gregg Marshall has total in his 17 years...

He has made 2 sweet sixteen here, why would we be talking about his one sweet sixteen at Marquette. Marshall has made just as many in the same amount of time, while going further, with worse resources. Oh and his teams are always in contention for the conference championship. Something we can barely ever say about Crean