Crean #s for 2014

[MartintheMopMan 7,765]

I know recruiting is national now and we cant have a roster full of Indiana kids but every trip to the east coast is probably $5000 easy round trip or more with a private jet. Gotta do better than a few plus 100 recruits.

Edit: Maybe just send out a bunch more text messages?? :biggrin:

I don't understand why he can't do those trips flying commercial.

[hoosierwhodey 1,256]

I don't understand why he can't do those trips flying commercial.

It's so much quicker/easier flying private. We use this with my company for quick in and out meetings.

[BenzOrBeamer 351]

God what a terrible roi, amazing

[BenzOrBeamer 351]

Right now that's over $100,000 per star ranking for 2015

Two 3 star players = 6 stars total

[8bucks 6,338]

For those who think we are not elite and we should not expect to attract a top coach, these numbers are just another reason why the opportunities to do well here are high.

[JSHoosier 19,743]

For those who think we are not elite and we should not expect to attract a top coach, these numbers are just another reason why the opportunities to do well here are high.

Why should the coach getting paid 3+ million a year have be responsible for the shape his program is in?  Inconceivable.  It has to be the program's fault.

[TomPritchard25 526]

I know recruiting is national now and we cant have a roster full of Indiana kids but every trip to the east coast is probably $5000 easy round trip or more with a private jet. Gotta do better than a few plus 100 recruits.

Edit: Maybe just send out a bunch more text messages?? :biggrin:

maybe with a Samsung Galaxy? ;) Get it? SAMSUNG!?

On another note, anyone has UK's numbers?

[JSHoosier 19,743]

maybe with a Samsung Galaxy? ;) Get it? SAMSUNG!?

On another note, anyone has UK's numbers?

Let's put it this way. That ridiculous contract the Jets gave Revis? UK calls that a signing bonus.

[Walking Boot of Doom 18,170]

The ROI is definitely absurd if you look at high school rankings of the 2015 class alone.

Two things:

1) It's high school rankings. ROI won't be determined until these players have completed their time at IU (see 2010 with Sheehey and Vic for a positive and 2012 for a neutral/negative)

2) As Pap and others have said multiple times, recruiting is a 3-4 year investment. $716k was not spent on OG and Morgan alone.

These numbers without additional context don't mean much to me. Win-loss record does.

[323SGrant 1,176]

Looks like a nice recruiting budget and salary for CTC!

[Feathery 4,005]

The ROI is definitely absurd if you look at high school rankings of the 2015 class alone.

Two things:

1) It's high school rankings. ROI won't be determined until these players have completed their time at IU (see 2010 with Sheehey and Vic for a positive and 2012 for a neutral/negative)

2) As Pap and others have said multiple times, recruiting is a 3-4 year investment. $716k was not spent on OG and Morgan alone.

These numbers without additional context don't mean much to me. Win-loss record does.

So you're saying he spent $2.8 million over the pet 4 years to land Morgan and OG? That makes it even worse.

[schoosier 3,451]

For those who think we are not elite and we should not expect to attract a top coach, these numbers are just another reason why the opportunities to do well here are high.

Great point. This is just another reason Indiana has everything to get wins. Those comparison figure shock me though, as I thought football would spend much more just because of roster numbers. Indiana has opened the wallet for mens basketball to succeed yet it's not happening.

[Hovadipo 54,680]

So you're saying he spent $2.8 million over the pet 4 years to land Morgan and OG? That makes it even worse.

No...he's saying he spent $712k THIS year on Juwan, OG, Rawle Alkins, De'ron Davis, Scruggs, Brunk, Gunn, Wilkes, etc etc etc.

[Uwe Robb 1,072]

No...he's saying he spent $712k THIS year on Juwan, OG, Rawle Alkins, De'ron Davis, Scruggs, Brunk, Gunn, Wilkes, etc etc etc.

I understand what Feathery is saying. I realize he is recruiting all these other players, but they have not signed. So ulitmately what you paid for in the end $700k per year (if they were recruiting OG & Juwan all 4 years) is $2.8 million dollars spent and only OG and Juwan to show for it. Until we sign some of these other players ROI is not looking good, kind of like our record which is what another poster said matters.

[CottageGrove 563]

I understand what Feathery is saying. I realize he is recruiting all these other players, but they have not signed. So ulitmately what you paid for in the end $700k per year (if they were recruiting OG & Juwan all 4 years) is $2.8 million dollars spent and only OG and Juwan to show for it. Until we sign some of these other players ROI is not looking good, kind of like our record which is what another poster said matters.

 

I don't think that's complete either. If you're using a rolling 4 years, and $700k/yr to get to $2.8M, then instead of just OG and Juwan you have add in all of the players added in the last 4 years, Troy, Stan, JBJ, Johnson, Priller, April, Holt, Z, Yogi, Hanner, et al. 

 

I don't think the argument means too much either way, but to be consistent you would to include all of the players from the last 4 years if you're going to sum up all of the money over the last 4 years.

[Uwe Robb 1,072]

I don't think that's complete either. If you're using a rolling 4 years, and $700k/yr to get to $2.8M, then instead of just OG and Juwan you have add in all of the players added in the last 4 years, Troy, Stan, JBJ, Johnson, Priller, April, Holt, Z, Yogi, Hanner, et al. 

 

I don't think the argument means too much either way, but to be consistent you would to include all of the players from the last 4 years if you're going to sum up all of the money over the last 4 years.

It is actually a rolling 4 year investment as well as a rolling 4 year ROI. Crean would have $2.8 invested in Yogi's class in 2012 he would have $2.8 invested in Troy's class in 2013 and he had $2.8 invested in Priller's class in 2014. This is just going off the $700k per year that was provided. So the 2014 class and as of today the 2015 class are not looking like a very good ROI.

[Hovadipo 54,680]

I understand what Feathery is saying. I realize he is recruiting all these other players, but they have not signed. So ulitmately what you paid for in the end $700k per year (if they were recruiting OG & Juwan all 4 years) is $2.8 million dollars spent and only OG and Juwan to show for it. Until we sign some of these other players ROI is not looking good, kind of like our record which is what another poster said matters.

We weren't recruiting Juwan and OG for 4 years, so saying we spent 2.8 mil for those 2 is simply false. Vonleh, Jimbo, Rob, Troy, Stan and many others fall into that 2.8 if we're using this logic. I wouldn't call that a failure. I agree with everyone else that this year's 712k is extremely underwhelming even though a lot of it was used to lay solid groundwork with '16 and '17 players.

[Uwe Robb 1,072]

We weren't recruiting Juwan and OG for 4 years, so saying we spent 2.8 mil for those 2 is simply false. Vonleh, Jimbo, Rob, Troy, Stan and many others fall into that 2.8 if we're using this logic. I wouldn't call that a failure. I agree with everyone else that this year's 712k is extremely underwhelming even though a lot of it was used to lay solid groundwork with '16 and '17 players.

See my post to Cottage Grove on the rolling investment. What I am saying is $2.8 million per 4 years worth of recruiting you should be nailing down UK type classes. Multiple burger boys and multiple 4 stars. If you are spending that much time and money building relationships we should see a little more return on investment.

[WindyCitySource 600]

Hopefully the people complaining about $716k in recruiting costs aren't at the same time calling for a $12 million buyout of Crean's contract.

 

Which one is the real waste?

 

Recruiting costs money. Not all of that money was spent on 2 players... you recruit a lot of guys you don' get. Money has been spent on guys they are still recruiting. And I guarantee you the amount of money spent on Priller and April was negligible compared to the full-court press on guys like Blackmon.  

[CottageGrove 563]

It is actually a rolling 4 year investment as well as a rolling 4 year ROI. Crean would have $2.8 invested in Yogi's class in 2012 he would have $2.8 invested in Troy's class in 2013 and he had $2.8 invested in Priller's class in 2014. This is just going off the $700k per year that was provided. So the 2014 class and as of today the 2015 class are not looking like a very good ROI.

 

I agree with your point to Hova about spending too much money for the classes we've been getting, but it's not $2.8M for 2 players as you said in the post I'm quoting.

 

For that argument to work the annual budget would have to be way higher than $700k/year. That would suggest that $700k in each of 2014, 2013, 2012 and 2011 was dedicated to obtaining only Morgan and OG. But if the budget was $700k/year then how did we get all of the other players we've gotten in that time span, if in fact all $700k was dedicated to just those two guys.

 

I think the reality is is that the $700k paid for all of the recruiting activities associated with that year, whether it be to go watch Juwan and OG or to go see others or whatever. But part of that money will pay off with whoever we get in 2016, 2017, etc.

 

Regardless, I agree we spend way too much money for the results we're getting in terms of wins and losses. To that I think most of us can agree.