Not say crean is bad coach just questioning some of his choice

[Bryan Medema 1,488]

Not saying that this topic has been beaten to death like a dead horse...

[biteoftheapple 4,115]

Not saying that this topic has been beaten to death like a dead horse...

No one forced you to open it!

[WayneFleekHoosier 48,515]

Not saying that this topic has been beaten to death like a dead horse...

true... But it's still relevant after all these years. That in itself says a "whole lot"

[Alford Bailey 12,397]

I think Crean is just so focused on trying  wear the opposition out with constant fresh bodies that he doesnt see what it does to the flow of our team. Too me, subbing hasn't been the issue this season that it was last year. Last year, wow, outta control.

[Alford Bailey 12,397]

I think he has a hard time going with the flow of the game and trusts his matchups he circles pregame. His subs seem to be predetermined and have little bearing on what the game is giving us.

True. He doesnt seem to have a feel for the game thus the predetermined subs and probably explains the lack of in game adjustments so many fans complain about.

[Alford Bailey 12,397]

Last game against Rutgers Troy Williams started to get in a rhythm he had a dunk and a heck of a rebound then went down and got to the stripe! Now crean decides he wants to take Troy out?? Why??? Don't you want to ride a hot hand like that?
Then same kind of scenario in the Purdue game we are rolling up 20 to 12 and then we sub like 4 kids out breaks momentum and let em back in the game???
Anyone have thoughts on this?

Yea, that Purdue game is a great example. The game turned from there.

[GloryDays 5,920]

Let's not forget Troy also had a few turnovers in such a short time, so maybe that was a reason too.

 The first time he pulled Troy was the turnovers I believe and I applaud Coach for it.Sometimes Troy gets a little bonkers and needs to be settled down.I thought he played much better after a little pine time.JBJ could use some of that after 4 or 5 bull rushes to the rim with blocked shots or turnovers as a result. I'd like to see more of that type discipline.

 I actually think the mob subbing has toned down a lot since the start of the season.Still some head scratchers but better.

[Jketch 385]

I feel like sometimes he does it to keep the players around the next year instead of shining enough to head to the NBA. That's my only possible explanation.

[Hoosiernsavga 92]

It has to be something too it if it frustrates all of us fans. I really don't understand some of his substitutions when someone is playing well.
I don't care how you sugar coat it, it makes no sense.
Hell he even took out April after only a couple minutes at garbage time when he was playing great.
If we need anyone on this roster to get some minutes at garbage it's definitely April.

[WayneFleekHoosier 48,515]

If we need anyone on this roster to get some minutes at garbage it's definitely April.

Unless he wants to frustrate him into a transfer. If so, Sunday's choices helped his cause.

[KelleyHoosh 2,263]

I'm sorry, but the recent talk about April not getting enough playing time has got me absolutely floored. The guy looks unnatural on the court, has been said to not know the plays and hes painfully slow. He's tall, but I don't think necessarily strong enough to bang in B10 paint. 10 times out of 10 I would rather have Hartman/Troy/Hanner playing at the 4/5.

[JaybobHoosier 11,852]

Huge props to everyone for keeping this on topic, which is what the Mods were hoping. This is what we really appreciate and can't thank you enough for!

[WayneFleekHoosier 48,515]

I'm sorry, but the recent talk about April not getting enough playing time has got me absolutely floored. The guy looks unnatural on the court, has been said to not know the plays and hes painfully slow. He's tall, but I don't think necessarily strong enough to bang in B10 paint. 10 times out of 10 I would rather have Hartman/Troy/Hanner playing at the 4/5.

I think I agree, but we don't have enough visual evidence to make our own opinion. We are forced to trust coaches decision on this one and I am okay with that. But he did look solid in mop up duty.

[KelleyHoosh 2,263]

I think I agree, but we don't have enough visual evidence to make our own opinion. We are forced to trust coaches decision on this one and I am okay with that. But he did look solid in mop up duty.

Right and I understand that frustration. I guess for me I just always kind of assumed he was not really any good since he was a complete unknown when we signed him. I really don't mean to take a dump on Rutgers, but when they're down 30 I'm not going to put any weight on how he performed against them. I think April played a bit in the exhibition games or early in the season and was relatively quiet. He played against Louisville in a head scratcher. I just don't see what he brings. I'd rather skilled/semi competent 6'6/6'7/6'9 on the court than a liability at 7'. But again to your point, he hasn't necessarily looked like a total liability to this point

[HoosierAloha 30,068]

Let's not forget Troy also had a few turnovers in such a short time, so maybe that was a reason too.

 

Those turnovers were early in the game and I believe coach yanked him for Hartman.  Troy got back in the game and was playing well but picked up 2 fouls @12:23 and @10:16 in the first half.  I believe Troy came out not long after that.  Coach was trying to "steal" some time at the end of the half but Troy kept missing the second FT.

[Hoosiernsavga 92]

I'm sorry, but the recent talk about April not getting enough playing time has got me absolutely floored. The guy looks unnatural on the court, has been said to not know the plays and hes painfully slow. He's tall, but I don't think necessarily strong enough to bang in B10 paint. 10 times out of 10 I would rather have Hartman/Troy/Hanner playing at the 4/5.

If we can't play a 7ft 250lb player who is our only 5 on the roster for 4 minutes up by 30pts then he shouldn't be on scholarship!!!

[WayneFleekHoosier 48,515]

If we can't play a 7ft 250lb player who is our only 5 on the roster for 4 minutes up by 30pts then he shouldn't be on scholarship!!!

that's the point, I suppose.

[KelleyHoosh 2,263]

If we can't play a 7ft 250lb player who is our only 5 on the roster for 4 minutes up by 30pts then he shouldn't be on scholarship!!!

Meh, I guess I'm past the point of outrage over it. I never expected him to contribute at any meaningful level. Basically, I don't care who is playing when we are up 30 as long as its not the starters. 

[schoosier 3,500]

I'm sorry, but the recent talk about April not getting enough playing time has got me absolutely floored. The guy looks unnatural on the court, has been said to not know the plays and hes painfully slow. He's tall, but I don't think necessarily strong enough to bang in B10 paint. 10 times out of 10 I would rather have Hartman/Troy/Hanner playing at the 4/5.

Painfully slow as he beat most of the team down the court? I don't buy that. Not strong enough to bang around in the paint when we're playing Stan and Yogi there? Unnatural on the court woukdnt be what I woud describe his nice move to the basket with the ball and two points. All of this in 2 minutes none the less. The fact is he hasn't really been given a chance to play just like a lot of the other bigs under Crean. Those that end up transferring out. We never saw much of Jurkin, Bawa, Jobe, or Guy Marc granted one was injured a lot and another wasn't eligible even though he took a scholly. From a defensive standpoint he cant be much worse than Hanner or a overmatched Hartman plus he has 5 fouls to give. Crean needs to give him a chance just like a backup to any other position player. If Crean thinks he can't contribute that's on Crean fir giving him a scholly and he's wrong on all counts. Let him play coach!

[djsalway 4,161]

I haven't read through every post in here, but I'd say the consensus is that Crean has his substitutions pre-planned, depending on match-up, time, etc. This can work both ways though. A lot of times we see a player going out when he's hot, but a player like Troy for instance can go from hot to cold within a matter of seconds. Certain players have a switching point where the confidence goes through the roof after a couple made shots, big plays, or defensive series. So in my opinion, it isn't a huge issue and he seems to know what he's doing. It drives me nuts, but the impact isn't necessarily as big as many think it is.

 

I'd also like to point out that a player being hot in college basketball doesn't mean that much, especially in comparison to the NBA. Because of the skill set, a college player's "hot streak" will only last so long and once they miss a shot, they can go cold because confidence plays a huge factor in the game of younger players. In the NBA, a player can stay hot through a couple missed shots and over a longer period of time because of the skill set they have.