11 Things I think I think

[PointBlank 116]

I think we all know the answer. It's up to Glass whether he will cave to public pressure or stay with Crean

 

Glass has hooked his wagon to Wilson and Crean. Fred Glass has developed the bad habit of becoming an excuse maker for both programs and the coaches. Glass needs to become a more solid leader of the athletic program and stop being the constant cheerleader or Pollyanna. Glass needs a class on AD speak.

 

As much as I want TC to succeed, at times I feel he resembles Sybil, and the makeup (his responsibility) of the last two teams probably have driven him to appear that way. It comes down to the point Crean is responsible for the makeup of this team and placing the players on the floor who can optimize his on court schemes. If the current schemes are not working, it is his responsibility to go back to the drawing board and come up with successful schemes. The season is young and I am still optimistic he will pull something out of his hat. The players also need to toughen up which is a direct reflection on the coach.

[theriverpilot 5,607]

1. We are going to be in for some tremendous highs and some devastating lows this season.

2. We are going to need to score 80+ all year to win games.

3. We should never hold the ball at the end of games to milk the clock, our defense isn't good enough to risk not scoring in our normal offensive flow.

4. We go as JBJ goes.

5. This team has the makeup of a team that pulls off crazy upsets in the tournaments due to our shooting ability. Also has the ability to be one and done.

6. Opposing big men have already circled Indiana on the calendar and asked their coaches for extra tickets for friends and family to come watch them have their career night.

7. We may need to shoot 25+ threes a game to stay competitive.

8. We aren't as good as many thought we were prior to the game last night.

9. We aren't as bad as many think we are after the game last night.

10. 4 returning starters that can shoot for EW is a recipe for upset vs a younger athletic team that hasn't played together much. Not an excuse, but I'm not shocked by it either.

11. I'm not going to go back and proofread 1-10 so this might make zero sense.

 

Sadly, this is almost the exact list for IU to be successful last year, with the exception of #4.  Insert Yogi there.

[seanmm1971 1,437]

1. We are going to be in for some tremendous highs and some devastating lows this season.

2. We are going to need to score 80+ all year to win games.

3. We should never hold the ball at the end of games to milk the clock, our defense isn't good enough to risk not scoring in our normal offensive flow.

4. We go as JBJ goes.

5. This team has the makeup of a team that pulls off crazy upsets in the tournaments due to our shooting ability. Also has the ability to be one and done.

6. Opposing big men have already circled Indiana on the calendar and asked their coaches for extra tickets for friends and family to come watch them have their career night.

7. We may need to shoot 25+ threes a game to stay competitive.

8. We aren't as good as many thought we were prior to the game last night.

9. We aren't as bad as many think we are after the game last night.

10. 4 returning starters that can shoot for EW is a recipe for upset vs a younger athletic team that hasn't played together much. Not an excuse, but I'm not shocked by it either.

11. I'm not going to go back and proofread 1-10 so this might make zero sense.

#5 assumes making a tournament, I assume they will, but you know what the say about assume.

[rebelhoosier848891 9,588]

I love points 8 and 9.

 

8. We aren't as good as many thought we were prior to the game last night.

 

9. We aren't as bad as many think we are after the game last night.

 

THIS!  Well said IU Hoosier41----we are a work in progress.

[schoosier 3,496]

Glass has hooked his wagon to Wilson and Crean. Fred Glass has developed the bad habit of becoming an excuse maker for both programs and the coaches. Glass needs to become a more solid leader of the athletic program and stop being the constant cheerleader or Pollyanna. Glass needs a class on AD speak.
 
As much as I want TC to succeed, at times I feel he resembles Sybil, and the makeup (his responsibility) of the last two teams probably have driven him to appear that way. It comes down to the point Crean is responsible for the makeup of this team and placing the players on the floor who can optimize his on court schemes. If the current schemes are not working, it is his responsibility to go back to the drawing board and come up with successful schemes. The season is young and I am still optimistic he will pull something out of his hat. The players also need to toughen up which is a direct reflection on the coach.

So in other words, Coach needs to coach. Good luck with that one.

[PointBlank 116]

So in other words, Coach needs to coach. Good luck with that one.

 

I think TC leaves a lot to be desired as a game coach, and too often will deflect blame. Many times after listening to TC after a loss, his initials could stand for Teflon Crean. If players are not operating within the system as designed, TC either needs to change the system because the players are incapable of operating within his system, or change players who will stay within the system. The last game fiasco is all on TC, but there have been other times a player or two decided to ad lib to the detriment of the team. 

 

Also, how much do some of these players respect TC and the program. Actions speaks louder than words.

 

The season is young and I hope this group can produce much better results.

[rebelhoosier848891 9,588]

I think this is a crossroads year for Crean---make or break----he has to show he can get this young team to win and play defense---if he does not ---he will not survive---- and if he does---he will.

 

He has done a lot of things right and earned the right to get the chance---now it's on him.

 

I am not going to join the knee-jerk crowd that he must go after we lose one game.  We will see if this becomes a pattern or not and just how we bounce back.  I am still optimistic----2 burger boys and several 4 stars can win----Coach has the responsibility to get them there.  It is early---I will reserve judgment until I see more games.

[Parakeet Jones 3,773]

I think this is a crossroads year for Crean---make or break----he has to show he can get this young team to win and play defense---if he does not ---he will not survive---- and if he does---he will.

 

He has done a lot of things right and earned the right to get the chance---now it's on him.

 

I am not going to join the knee-jerk crowd that he must go after we lose one game.  We will see if this becomes a pattern or not and just how we bounce back.  I am still optimistic----2 burger boys and several 4 stars can win----Coach has the responsibility to get them there.  It is early---I will reserve judgment until I see more games.

 

You and I are essentially on the same page to a letter on this topic.  I also agree with something else you have posted which is that if we make the NCAA's this year CTC keeps his job, but if he doesn't it's time for a change.  I want to add a little to that though.  

 

I am fine with him getting next year if we make the NCAA's this year, but that doesn't take the pressure off.  Let's say we make the tournament this year and lose in the first round.  That is improvement from last year, but far from what we all want and expect. If that were to happen this year, then the expectation next year had better be advance further or make a change.  

 

We improved in the number of wins in each of his first five seasons before major regression last year.  What I fear is that we are on the threshold of stagnation if things don't turn around quickly.  Stagnation might be more harmful in the long term for the program than regression.  At least regression leads to quicker changes.

 

To borrow an old familiar line from IU basketball past, this is a season on the brink.   

[schoosier 3,496]

I think this is a crossroads year for Crean---make or break----he has to show he can get this young team to win and play defense---if he does not ---he will not survive---- and if he does---he will.
 
He has done a lot of things right and earned the right to get the chance---now it's on him.
 
I am not going to join the knee-jerk crowd that he must go after we lose one game.  We will see if this becomes a pattern or not and just how we bounce back.  I am still optimistic----2 burger boys and several 4 stars can win----Coach has the responsibility to get them there.  It is early---I will reserve judgment until I see more games.

Rebel, I really love the enthusiasm you have for the program. We have both been there when we were at the top. In year 7 after getting beat by E Washington at home, what do you think the B1G is gonna be? Also consider we have no one sniffing a lottery pick either and Noah has been downplayed by every apologist this sight can handle. Smell the coffe brother; Crean sucks as a between the lines coach. And that's what its gonna take when we have as little inside game as Martinsville Middle School. You and every other person who thinks maybe Crean will one day become a good coach is just sad. Especially for you when you have witnessed one. Who do you compare Crean with? Honest question.

[Stuhoo 81,242]

I compare Coach Crean with that guy at NC State, but with a far superior university stature to recruit from.

[rebelhoosier848891 9,588]

Rebel, I really love the enthusiasm you have for the program. We have both been there when we were at the top. In year 7 after getting beat by E Washington at home, what do you think the B1G is gonna be? Also consider we have no one sniffing a lottery pick either and Noah has been downplayed by every apologist this sight can handle. Smell the coffe brother; Crean sucks as a between the lines coach. And that's what its gonna take when we have as little inside game as Martinsville Middle School. You and every other person who thinks maybe Crean will one day become a good coach is just sad. Especially for you when you have witnessed one. Who do you compare Crean with? Honest question.

 

I compare Crean favorably with every other Coach in the Big Ten not named Ryan or Izzo.

 

Alford and many of the other names being thrown around here certainly are NOT better in my book.

 

I honestly don't think Crean's a bad Coach---I think he's a good Coach----but he is definitely not a great Coach yet.

 

I just saw him out-coach Larry Brown and he got virtually no credit for doing so----He consistently outcoaches Beilein, etc.

 

Where I agree with you is that he has to start winning NOW---he must make the tourney this year or I am off his bandwagon as well---but not because he's a bad Coach--but because we EXPECT and DEMAND more at IU---a proud basketball school with great tradition.

 

Honest question for you----would you take Calipari for Crean?  I am not willing to do so and give up the student part of student-athlete.  I am old school and love pure college basketball---Knight engrained that in me---and Indiana is one of fewer and fewer programs which emphasizes that difference.

 

Good post and good question schoosier----disagree with you some--- but respect your opinion. Now answer my question----Calipari over Crean?  Interested in what other posters think as well.
 

[biteoftheapple 4,115]

Calipari.......not now, not prior, not ever.

[OliviaPope40 6,541]

Why the Diet Coke?

[schoosier 3,496]

I compare Crean favorably with every other Coach in the Big Ten not named Ryan or Izzo.
 
Alford and many of the other names being thrown around here certainly are NOT better in my book.
 
I honestly don't think Crean's a bad Coach---I think he's a good Coach----but he is definitely not a great Coach yet.
 
I just saw him out-coach Larry Brown and he got virtually no credit for doing so----He consistently outcoaches Beilein, etc.
 
Where I agree with you is that he has to start winning NOW---he must make the tourney this year or I am off his bandwagon as well---but not because he's a bad Coach--but because we EXPECT and DEMAND more at IU---a proud basketball school with great tradition.
 
Honest question for you----would you take Calipari for Crean?  I am not willing to do so and give up the student part of student-athlete.  I am old school and love pure college basketball---Knight engrained that in me---and Indiana is one of fewer and fewer programs which emphasizes that difference.
 
Good post and good question schoosier----disagree with you some--- but respect your opinion. Now answer my question----Calipari over Crean?  Interested in what other posters think as well.

Thanks for answering my question. No, I would not take Cal over Crean for the reasons you mention and many others including handlers, agents, and SAT sit ins. Indiana is unique and great because we win with excellent players and students. Even to not have suffered for 25 years waiting for the next championship, I wouldn't change that. You will find this consistent with the majority Indiana fans and alumni.

[rebelhoosier848891 9,588]

Thanks for answering my question. No, I would not take Cal over Crean for the reasons you mention and many others including handlers, agents, and SAT sit ins. Indiana is unique and great because we win with excellent players and students. Even to not have suffered for 25 years waiting for the next championship, I wouldn't change that. You will find this consistent with the majority Indiana fans and alumni.

 

Thanks for answering my question.  I agree--- and was hoping you would answer that way---but I am not sure it is as unanimous as you think.

[jonz44 810]

I think this is a crossroads year for Crean---make or break----he has to show he can get this young team to win and play defense---if he does not ---he will not survive---- and if he does---he will.

He has done a lot of things right and earned the right to get the chance---now it's on him.

I am not going to join the knee-jerk crowd that he must go after we lose one game. We will see if this becomes a pattern or not and just how we bounce back. I am still optimistic----2 burger boys and several 4 stars can win----Coach has the responsibility to get them there. It is early---I will reserve judgment until I see more games.

how many seasons has he over achieved since he's been at IU? The only season I believe he has even remotely over achieved is Zellers freshman season.
I would love to see him and this team succeed but what I truly dread is that he and this team will win just enough games to keep his job.
I don't want mediocrity! Go big or go home!

[rebelhoosier848891 9,588]

how many seasons has he over achieved since he's been at IU? The only season I believe he has even remotely over achieved is Zellers freshman season.
I would love to see him and this team succeed but what I truly dread is that he and this team will win just enough games to keep his job.
I don't want mediocrity! Go big or go home!

 

I agree. I expect us to get back to the tourney this year---- but then we need to do much more going forward---championships---final fours---elite 8's etc. Just barely making the tourney year after year and barely breaking 20 wins is not going to cut it at IU either! This is Indiana!
 

[JSHoosier 20,310]

I compare Crean favorably with every other Coach in the Big Ten not named Ryan or Izzo.

 

Alford and many of the other names being thrown around here certainly are NOT better in my book.

 

I honestly don't think Crean's a bad Coach---I think he's a good Coach----but he is definitely not a great Coach yet.

 

I just saw him out-coach Larry Brown and he got virtually no credit for doing so----He consistently outcoaches Beilein, etc.

 

Where I agree with you is that he has to start winning NOW---he must make the tourney this year or I am off his bandwagon as well---but not because he's a bad Coach--but because we EXPECT and DEMAND more at IU---a proud basketball school with great tradition.

 

Honest question for you----would you take Calipari for Crean?  I am not willing to do so and give up the student part of student-athlete.  I am old school and love pure college basketball---Knight engrained that in me---and Indiana is one of fewer and fewer programs which emphasizes that difference.

 

Good post and good question schoosier----disagree with you some--- but respect your opinion. Now answer my question----Calipari over Crean?  Interested in what other posters think as well.
 

I've said before and I'll say it again.  IF you could separate the scum from the coach in regards to Calipari, yes I absolutely would take him over Crean.  Cal is good coach, whether people want to accept it or not.  He's accomplished more than Crean has in the same time frame (15 years), he was more accomplished before he got to UK than Crean's entire career.

 

Problem is you cannot separate the coach from the scum.  They are part of the package with Cal.  So no I wouldn't take Cal.

[barrettballer 513]

Rebel, I really love the enthusiasm you have for the program. We have both been there when we were at the top. In year 7 after getting beat by E Washington at home, what do you think the B1G is gonna be? Also consider we have no one sniffing a lottery pick either and Noah has been downplayed by every apologist this sight can handle. Smell the coffe brother; Crean sucks as a between the lines coach. And that's what its gonna take when we have as little inside game as Martinsville Middle School. You and every other person who thinks maybe Crean will one day become a good coach is just sad. Especially for you when you have witnessed one. Who do you compare Crean with? Honest question.

Shots fired at my hometown Martinsville :)

[rebelhoosier848891 9,588]

You and I are essentially on the same page to a letter on this topic.  I also agree with something else you have posted which is that if we make the NCAA's this year CTC keeps his job, but if he doesn't it's time for a change.  I want to add a little to that though.  

 

I am fine with him getting next year if we make the NCAA's this year, but that doesn't take the pressure off.  Let's say we make the tournament this year and lose in the first round.  That is improvement from last year, but far from what we all want and expect. If that were to happen this year, then the expectation next year had better be advance further or make a change.  

 

We improved in the number of wins in each of his first five seasons before major regression last year.  What I fear is that we are on the threshold of stagnation if things don't turn around quickly.  Stagnation might be more harmful in the long term for the program than regression.  At least regression leads to quicker changes.

 

To borrow an old familiar line from IU basketball past, this is a season on the brink.   

 

I agree 100%. Crean is a good Coach----but he has to win consistently at Indiana----we won't settle for top 10 seasons once every several years----we expect them regularly.