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IUBB vs. Eastern Washington Post Game Thread

By Hovadipo, in Indiana Men's Basketball

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MartintheMopMan    7,765

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@MikeMillerHT: Crean on Hanner: "Sometimes he forgets he has that 7-6 wingspan."

Remind him Tom and show him how to utilize it!!!

And maybe teach him about something called a "shot fake". Sometimes, when a player looks like they're shooting/about to shoot they aren't really going to do it and want to move you out of position. You don't always have to move for these motions.

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WayneFleekHoosier    49,248

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And maybe teach him about something called a "shot fake". Sometimes, when a player looks like they're shooting/about to shoot they aren't really going to do it and want to move you out of position. You don't always have to move for these motions.

It's amazing really. He either falls for the shot fake or he stands still with his hands straight up. Nothing in between that resembles sound defense.

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GloryDays    6,003

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Yes, it's embarrassing. Yes, it's even disgusting. SMU thumped EW a few days ago, and after we played so well against SMU we now see this. But this stuff happens to young teams. I mentioned after one of our other games that we'd see some crash-and-burn situations this year. When you play that many freshmen and sophomores, some of that will happen.

 

Could Coach have made a difference? Maybe, maybe not. I see a lot of mention of the time outs that weren't taken, but there will be situations where we don't have time outs to use, and I think in meaningless games such as this one, letting the players do it is a necessary test. Learning from this trumps winning this particular game IMO.

 

Hopefully Crean has concluded that Hoetzel might be a Big Ten player someday, but he's definitely not good enough now. He bites on fakes, he can't create his own shot with enough space to be successful shooting, and his ball handling is limited to "let me get rid of it." Hanner isn't the answer; he might be good off the bench for a few minutes in each half, but to expect him to carry the load is unrealistic. I do like the fact that we tried a lineup with Troy as the big man, even if it didn't work. At least it demonstrates that Crean has seen that Hanner isn't always ready for prime time. We need to see Holt AND April out there, maybe even both at the same time with the three shooters. They might fall on their faces. At least it would be different faces mashed into the hardwood.

 

Young teams lack in-game intelligence, and it showed in spades Monday night. When EW exploited something and it worked, they went back to it time and time again, and it continued to work because our reaction to it was non-existent. We hear this crapola about how far beyond their years JBJ and RJ are and how Yogi can settle down the guys on the floor like an extra coach. We need to can all that as the bs that it is and move on with the idea that these are just-out-of-high-school kids and they need to be spoon-fed every ounce of basketball they can hold.

 

We have five weeks before the real games start, and frankly what we do before the Big Ten season doesn't matter to me if we can find the right mix-and-match to be competitive in the B1G. Say what you will, I think this loss can be used as a lesson to the players and coaches alike. Nobody likes to lose, and I'm part of that dynamic. But we obviously were not getting better by winning, and maybe being hit in the mouth will be good for this team. I don't feel any less (or any more) optimistic than I did before last night's tipoff. 

Sorry but I have to disagree with the teaching from a loss standpoint.

There is no such thing as a good loss.You play to win no matter who the opponent is.I'm pretty sure E W S took this as a real game.And when it comes selection time this game could get them in as easily as it could keep us out.

We are going to have plenty of games that we will lose this year but this shouldn't have been one of them.

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rebelhoosier848891    9,588

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This EWU loss still hurts---but I did read today that they continue to climb the rankings.

 

EWU is now 106 on the Kenpom rankings---ahead of several big ten and major conference schools.

 

Although we should not have lost to them at home----they are a good basketball team.

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MartintheMopMan    7,765

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I can't believe my daughter posted that before I added any useful information. EWU plays Washington today at 8 pm Eastern. This is a big game for us along with their game against California next week. If they can upset Washington like they upset us then they'll become a much less damaging loss. If they can't at least split this series then they won't have a chance to win any more big games because the Big Sky is garbage.

It's on the Pac-12 network so I doubt anyone gets it. But, it will be on wiziwig. I know it hurts, but at least them winning here can dull our pain.

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