College Bball Thread

[Uspshoosier]

UNCG/Furman at 5 on espn+
Going to be a late one tonight with Zags at BYU starting at 11.  Probably best chance for the Zags to lose before the tournament unless Few schedules a non conference game if they have a break in the schedule 

[cthomas]

17 hours ago, Stuhoo said:

If Trayce stays? Sure.

TJD and KBJ are really close. Armaan too

I really have no idea, but it seems to me that kind of transfer would be pretty rare. To have recruited someone as hard as we did Brooks, and then have him go somewhere else, especially Kentucky, may have damaged relationships beyond repair. Egos being what they are, I just have a hard time seeing it happening.

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich]

38 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

Numbers don’t say Butler is a wonderful win.   Numbers say it’s a Q3 win.   Maryland and Penn St are in the conversation for an at-large bid at this time.  Some have Maryland projected as a tourney team as of today and if they beat Ohio St tonight I will have them projected in.   Penn St is a good team that has played a brutal and I mean brutal schedule.  13 of their 15 games are against top 50 net teams.  Numbers say they are a decent team and the eye test tells me they are a decent team.   The thing with eye test is you actually have to watch them play for people to use the eye test argument.  I’ve seen all but 2 of their games.   Providence is struggling right now but Cooley is a great coach I would never count him out. My guess is they turn it around.  Even if they don’t a neutral court win over them is a solid win

If Penn State is in conversation for an at large bid.. then every team in the nation is. 

[Uspshoosier]

23 minutes ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

If Penn State is in conversation for an at large bid.. then every team in the nation is. 

Not really.   Not every team in the nation has played their schedule and has 5 top 5 wins on of those being on road.  At the end of the day they are going to need the wins to get an at-large bid but if you are comparing their resume to others it’s in the conversation.   Don’t take my word for it look at every national bracketologist and they will have them in their first 4 out or next 4 out.   Even on the national broadcast last night when they showed IU’s tournament resume Penn St was listed as a quality win 

[HoosierAloha]

Much more fitting conversation for February instead of January.


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[Loaded Chicken Sandwich]

10 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

Not really.   Not every team in the nation has played their schedule and has 5 top 5 wins on of those being on road.  At the end of the day they are going to need the wins to get an at-large bid but if you are comparing their resume to others it’s in the conversation.   Don’t take my word for it look at every national bracketologist and they will have them in their first 4 out or next 4 out.   Even on the national broadcast last night when they showed IU’s tournament resume Penn St was listed as a quality win 

Their resume is non existent until they get above .500. Luckily for them, they play Michigan State and Nebraska the next two games. Unlucky part, is that they are the exact team who can lose both. 

[Stuhoo]

25 minutes ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

Their resume is non existent until they get above .500. Luckily for them, they play Michigan State and Nebraska the next two games. Unlucky part, is that they are the exact team who can lose both. 

 

In a way, Penn State and Maryland are like IU, but not quite as 'there' yet. We need to hold steady; win at the same pace, and if we improve we're playing for seed line; if we digress it's time to get really nervous. They've got work to do to get enough wins.

That's life in a conference which is 50% ranked teams.

 

[Uspshoosier]

23 minutes ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

Their resume is non existent until they get above .500. Luckily for them, they play Michigan State and Nebraska the next two games. Unlucky part, is that they are the exact team who can lose both. 

Maybe to casual college basketball fans their resume is non existent until they get to .500 but to people who project the field for a living (and those who do it for fun) and the college basketball junkies who watch the games their resume is definitely not non existent until it’s .500.  They are very much in the conversation for an at-large bid 

[Uspshoosier]

1 minute ago, Stuhoo said:

 

In a way, Penn State and Maryland are like IU, but not quite as 'there' yet. We need to hold steady; win at the same pace, and if we improve we're playing for seed line; if we digress it's time to get really nervous. They've got work to do to get enough wins.

That's life in a conference which is 50% ranked teams.

 

Life in a conference where 11 out of 14 are legitimately in the conversation for an at large bid.   B1G is a blessing and a curse.  You are a 4 game losing streak from taking yourself out of the equation for a bid or you are a 4 game winning streak away from solidifying your bid with a better seed.  Sparty could go on a run and get back in the mix.  IU or Minny could hit a losing streak and be out of the projected field 

[IUc2016]

I can't shake this feeling that it is going to come down to IU needing to get 1 more win to get on the good side of the bubble, and that 1 win is going to have to come @purdue on the final game of the season. 

That doesn't bode well for a very happy ending. I hope I am wrong!

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich]

42 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

Maybe to casual college basketball fans their resume is non existent until they get to .500 but to people who project the field for a living (and those who do it for fun) and the college basketball junkies who watch the games their resume is definitely not non existent until it’s .500.  They are very much in the conversation for an at-large bid 

If you're projecting the field with Penn State being that close, you're not doing your job very well. Penn State is just an outlier as of now. Nothing more. 

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich]

Indiana

Kansas

Kentucky

North Carolina

UCLA

Duke

Michigan State

Syracuse

All unranked right now.. what is going on with college basketball? 

[NashvilleHoosier]

39 minutes ago, IUc2016 said:

I can't shake this feeling that it is going to come down to IU needing to get 1 more win to get on the good side of the bubble, and that 1 win is going to have to come @purdue on the final game of the season. 

That doesn't bode well for a very happy ending. I hope I am wrong!

I absolutely hate that @ PU is our last game of the season. But if it truly does come down to needing one more win, we can at least think of it like this.....a loss @ PU doesn't hurt the resume and there is a very high likelihood that we'll have a opportunity for a quad 1 win at the Big Ten tournament. So we'd still have a chance to get that one needed win. 

[IUc2016]

1 minute ago, NashvilleHoosier said:

I absolutely hate that @ PU is our last game of the season. But if it truly does come down to needing one more win, we can at least think of it like this.....a loss @ PU doesn't hurt the resume and there is a very high likelihood that we'll have a opportunity for a quad 1 win at the Big Ten tournament. So we'd still have a chance to get that one needed win. 

Yeah I thought about the BIG tournament. So I guess it would be IU needing to count on getting a win in Mackey or in the BIG tournament...

yikes. Lets avoid that scenario and go on a run of  4 straight wins here!

[HoosierAloha]

Really wanted to "like" it but couldn't figure out whether I was 'confused', 'laughing', or 'crying.' I guess everyone doing brackets, whether for fun or getting paid, isn't doing their job very well..

http://www.bracketmatrix.com/

I feel like these annual discussions are like reading a transcript of a dad talking to his toddler.  When my nephew was younger we would have discussions about "knowledge bubbles."  There are somethings you just can't understand until you educate yourself on them. 

"Nephew, if you don't know, seek knowledge to understand.  Taking a stance on something you don't know and opening your mouth will prove to others your ignorance on that subject.  Don't be an idiot, nephew."

[kreigh8]

15 minutes ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

Indiana

Kansas

Kentucky

North Carolina

UCLA

Duke

Michigan State

Syracuse

All unranked right now.. what is going on with college basketball? 

Probably a rhetorical question, but I've been of the belief that at least in the case of Kentucky and Duke and their reliance on freshman have been greatly affected by the pandemic with an abridged non-conference slate and altered preseason. Being thrown to the wolves of conference games after 8 or so games is tough. We've seen with our own eyes how long it's taken Lander to get up to speed. As for the others, I can't really say. UCLA is top 25 though, no?

[NashvilleHoosier]

26 minutes ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

If you're projecting the field with Penn State being that close, you're not doing your job very well. Penn State is just an outlier as of now. Nothing more. 

There's a lot more to it, actually. The more significant outlier in this situation is that nobody played a full non-conference schedule. PSU played 4 non-conference games. A normal season has what...10? 12? non-conference games. So add 6 or 7 wins against cupcakes and boom! 13-8, 14-8....well over .500 with some really strong wins. The outlier/strange scenario is that a 7-8 team this season can have the same strength of resume as a 14-8 team did last season at the same point. It just doesn't include all of the wins that don't actually count toward a resume. 

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich]

33 minutes ago, kreigh8 said:

Probably a rhetorical question, but I've been of the belief that at least in the case of Kentucky and Duke and their reliance on freshman have been greatly affected by the pandemic with an abridged non-conference slate and altered preseason. Being thrown to the wolves of conference games after 8 or so games is tough. We've seen with our own eyes how long it's taken Lander to get up to speed. As for the others, I can't really say. UCLA is top 25 though, no?

UCLA just dropped out. They are 29th and the highest "ranked" of all those teams. 

[kreigh8]

Just now, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

UCLA just dropped out. They are 29th and the highest "ranked" of all those teams. 

Ahh, saw them on the bottom line Sunday, but clearly didn't look at that final score close enough. Thanks for setting me straight

[Class of '66 Old Fart]

Borzello - 

Before today, the last AP poll without Duke, North Carolina, Kentucky, Kansas or UCLA was Dec. 18, 1961.  For the first time in almost 60 years, all five are officially unranked at the same time.