April still in boot.

[schoosier 3,524]

True
In the gym

So we trade a Jurkin junior that's more polished to a Jurkin freshman. Wow.

[Kepner 1,261]

So we trade a Jurkin junior that's more polished to a Jurkin freshman. Wow.

So are you arguing that we should've begged and pleaded with Jurkin for him to stay? I swear some of you guys on here just like to bring up stuff to argue and create drama hahahah. 

[Walking Boot of Doom 18,170]

But, those numbers just reinforce my point. There is a higher ceiling in college than the NBA. There's just a lower floor too, so averages don't really work. Crean makes $3.2 million before bonuses for fewer than 40 games a year and isn't even doing that well. Frank Vogel makes $2 million for 82 games before the play-offs. Which position would you rather be in?

Now the risk is staying in the NBA and hoping you become Doc Rivers or going to the NCAA and at least making it to be NC State's Mark Gottfried and clear $2 million as one of the top 20 coaches in the Tourney last year (almost as many Tourney coaches paid over 2 million as there are NBA teams.)

The top 29 coaches in the Tourney last year (which remember, ignores coaches we know make more like Crean) made an average of $2,924,199 base or 3,432,549 with bonuses. Pretty on par with the NBA.

Doc Rivers makes $10 mil, so no, college doesn't have a higher ceiling. But in general, there is much greater risk leaving the highest level of basketball as a coach to come to Indiana for equivalent or lesser pay. So great, that I doubt many, if any at all, would be willing to do it as previously suggested.


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[Dalton26 16,892]

Doc Rivers makes $10 mil, so no, college doesn't have a higher ceiling. But in general, there is much greater risk leaving the highest level of basketball as a coach to come to Indiana for equivalent or lesser pay. So great, that I doubt many, if any at all, would be willing to do it as previously suggested.


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Isn't Doc also president of basketball operations or something like that?


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[schoosier 3,524]

So are you arguing that we should've begged and pleaded with Jurkin for him to stay? I swear some of you guys on here just like to bring up stuff to argue and create drama hahahah.

According to Indiana's release on Jurkin when he left, it was based on more playing time. I rather doubt anyone on the staff begged him to stay. In fact reading between the lines, it was exactly opposite. For one of our posters in the know to comment that Jurkin was more polished than April and us comment on it does not an argument make. You may not like the report or comments related to, but to state argument and arguing twice in your post clearly states what you perceive it to be. I see it more as if Jurkin left for more playing time and is more polished than April, than why is April here? Especially since the post is our biggest need.

[Walking Boot of Doom 18,170]

Isn't Doc also president of basketball operations or something like that?


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Honestly, I'm not sure, but that reinforces my point. You aren't gonna be AD and basketball coach at a college.


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[Hovadipo 57,187]

Isn't Doc also president of basketball operations or something like that?


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They gave him a nice title and plenty of pull to go with it. Can't remember for sure what he is though. Might be Pres.


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[Kepner 1,261]

According to Indiana's release on Jurkin when he left, it was based on more playing time. I rather doubt anyone on the staff begged him to stay. In fact reading between the lines, it was exactly opposite. For one of our posters in the know to comment that Jurkin was more polished than April and us comment on it does not an argument make. You may not like the report or comments related to, but to state argument and arguing twice in your post clearly states what you perceive it to be. I see it more as if Jurkin left for more playing time and is more polished than April, than why is April here? Especially since the post is our biggest need.

I was being sarcastic with the begging comment.

From what I've gathered about the Jurkin transfer, he felt his injury was healed and he wanted to play, and the coaching staff didn't see much light at the end of the tunnel of his injury history and he wasn't going to see much playing time because of it. So he transferred to whatever small school he went to where they are going to let him play.

Btw the original poster said Jurkin and April were pretty comparable , with Jurkin being a bit more polished in "CERTAIN AREAS". Crean has commented that April is one of the best passing big men he's seen and has a great jump shot. Jurkin was known for his shot blocking so that was probably one of his areas. If April as a freshman is "pretty comparable" to Jurkin as a junior, that speaks volumes. If April doesn't work out here, he will also find a situation where he can get more playing time. Nothing is set in stone. 

[rebelhoosier848891 9,588]

Fact of the matter is Jurkin chose to leave and April chose to come.  I stand behind the one who is here and will root him on and look forward to watching him develop as long as he wants to be here!  He had some D1 offers and interest---even Duke was interested enough to go take a look at him.  He may not be ready as a freshman---but he may be solid as a junior.  Might be best to wait and judge him after he actually gets to set foot on the court and Jeney and the coaches get some time to develop him!

[Kepner 1,261]

Fact of the matter is Jurkin chose to leave and April chose to come.  I stand behind the one who is here and will root him on and look forward to watching him develop as long as he wants to be here!  He had some D1 offers and interest---even Duke was interested enough to go take a look at him.  He may not be ready as a freshman---but he may be solid as a junior.  Might be best to wait and judge him after he actually gets to set foot on the court and Jeney and the coaches get some time to develop him!

I agree 100% with you. Seems like too many people are taking their frustrations out on these kids who chose to come here and praising the kids who chose to leave the program. As Indiana fans we should support those who have the desire to put on the candy stripes, not constantly complain about them.  
It makes me laugh that tons of people on here constantly wine that we don't have experience upperclassman but at the same time those same people want to run players off before they even take the court! Ridiculous 

I agree with you rebelhoosier

[GloryDays 5,941]

Fact of the matter is Jurkin chose to leave and April chose to come.  I stand behind the one who is here and will root him on and look forward to watching him develop as long as he wants to be here!  He had some D1 offers and interest---even Duke was interested enough to go take a look at him.  He may not be ready as a freshman---but he may be solid as a junior.  Might be best to wait and judge him after he actually gets to set foot on the court and Jeney and the coaches get some time to develop him!

It might be best but that takes patience and it so much easier to bash ahead of time and get it out of the way.I mean,  WAKE UP MAN, we all know the kids not any good . :punish: Don't We?

[JuwantGrimeShakes? 533]

Doc Rivers makes $10 mil, so no, college doesn't have a higher ceiling. But in general, there is much greater risk leaving the highest level of basketball as a coach to come to Indiana for equivalent or lesser pay. So great, that I doubt many, if any at all, would be willing to do it as previously suggested.


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I must have removed that part of my comment because I thought it was getting long where I talked about Doc Rivers. You're right, as of April with a $3 million raise Doc Rivers may have passed Coach K. However, Coach K's $9.7 million was in 2011 and we aren't privy to the contract terms, so once the numbers were so close I didn't want to speculate between them. Coach K and Doc Rivers are almost tied with one (though we don't know which) being a couple hundred thousand higher at any point.

Plus, Coach K only has to do one job to get it. But, if the NBA were such a huge step up then you wouldn't see the legacy coaches like Cal and Coach K turning down coaching jobs all the time. It just isn't seen as that much better for coaches.

And, that's only one coach in the NBA who is even close to that. Rick Pitino made about $9 million with bonuses in 2011 too. And we don't even know private school's full details.

[Walking Boot of Doom 18,170]

I must have removed that part of my comment because I thought it was getting long where I talked about Doc Rivers. You're right, as of April with a $3 million raise Doc Rivers may have passed Coach K. However, Coach K's $9.7 million was in 2011 and we aren't privy to the contract terms, so once the numbers were so close I didn't want to speculate between them. Coach K and Doc Rivers are almost tied with one (though we don't know which) being a couple hundred thousand higher at any point.

Plus, Coach K only has to do one job to get it. But, if the NBA were such a huge step up then you wouldn't see the legacy coaches like Cal and Coach K turning down coaching jobs all the time. It just isn't seen as that much better for coaches.

And, that's only one coach in the NBA who is even close to that. Rick Pitino made about $9 million with bonuses in 2011 too. And we don't even know private school's full details.

I agree, people like Coach K and Cal have no reason to leave. They've built themselves a palace and their going to sit there till they die living as royalty. I think we're experiencing a miscommunication, the OP stated that we could get an NBA coach to come to IU. My point is that if they're any good at coaching, why would they come to college basketball where you have much less control in creating a dynasty that would guarantee your long term success. You would only move if you are unestablished, but why move to college basketball when you could move to a different team in the NBA and have an easier time creating a team that can win immediately.

[8bucks 6,562]

I agree, people like Coach K and Cal have no reason to leave. They've built themselves a palace and their going to sit there till they die living as royalty. I think we're experiencing a miscommunication, the OP stated that we could get an NBA coach to come to IU. My point is that if they're any good at coaching, why would they come to college basketball where you have much less control in creating a dynasty that would guarantee your long term success. You would only move if you are unestablished, but why move to college basketball when you could move to a different team in the NBA and have an easier time creating a team that can win immediately.

You could argue they have much more control in creating a dynasty in college than in the NBA. Salary caps and the current teams ability to pay a player the most would make building a team difficult. In college, if a great recruiter, you can really stack your team.




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[Walking Boot of Doom 18,170]

You could argue they have much more control in creating a dynasty in college than in the NBA. Salary caps and the current teams ability to pay a player the most would make building a team difficult. In college, if a great recruiter, you can really stack your team.




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That's true. I looked at the ability to assemble a team if you have the money as easier than having to rely on the decisions of 18 year olds, but you're perspective is equally valid. Maybe I don't have a solid argument for why a good NBA coach would want to come to IU, but I just don't see why they would.

[MikeRoberts 7,266]

So are you arguing that we should've begged and pleaded with Jurkin for him to stay? I swear some of you guys on here just like to bring up stuff to argue and create drama hahahah.

yes


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[MikeRoberts 7,266]

I agree 100% with you. Seems like too many people are taking their frustrations out on these kids who chose to come here and praising the kids who chose to leave the program. As Indiana fans we should support those who have the desire to put on the candy stripes, not constantly complain about them.
It makes me laugh that tons of people on here constantly wine that we don't have experience upperclassman but at the same time those same people want to run players off before they even take the court! Ridiculous
I agree with you rebelhoosier

the way you write this makes me think you did not play a sport in college. Players leaving have a lot to do with the coaching staff and how they treat a kid and what they tell or don't tell them. It doesn't usually equate to a kid just saying I don't want to be here anymore, it can often times be the coach flat out saying I think it would be best if you looked elsewhere and I can even help you with that.

Moreover, many of us have a loyalty to kids that have already wore the candy stripes and put in years of blood sweat and tears for this school, and I don't think there is anything wrong with that, especially if leaving was not their idea

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[BostonCooler 34]

On an unrelated note, I Saw April outside the school of Public Health. Still in boot.


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[CampHoosier 3,697]

On an unrelated note, I Saw April outside the school of Public Health. Still in boot.


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On an unrelated note in the "Jeremiah April Still In Boot Thread" April...still in boot. Mods this guy is off topic

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On an unrelated note, I Saw April outside the school of Public Health. Still in boot.


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Or, the only related note thus far.


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