6'4" Guard Nick Zeisloft joins Hoosiers

[VO5 8,272]

Because for some reason some of you guys want to act like freshmen are going to come in and perform at an extremely high level, despite never playing at this level before. Sound familiar, kind of like last season? Once again some of you guys really need to pump the breaks, especially on Rojo. 
 
Also, I don't give a flying **** what Crean is saying about how players are performing in practices and other things with regards to how that will translate directly to the court. That is coach speak, Crean pumped up a number of players last year in the off-season as well..... then they preceded to earn none of those honors.

so your whole premise is that the only reason you think they're overrated is because they havnt played a college game? That's a pretty weak argument. And I only quoted one word said by Crean. The others are from my observations watching every game of the Canada trip and HH.

[KingPG21 6,584]

so your whole premise is that the only reason you think they're overrated is because they havnt played a college game? That's a pretty weak argument. And I only quoted one word said by Crean. The others are from my observations watching every game of the Canada trip and HH.

My argument is weak how? I think its funny your basing Rojo doing big things on exhibition games, yet my argument is the one that is weak

[VO5 8,272]

My argument is weak how? I think its funny your basing Rojo doing big things on exhibition games, yet my argument is the one that is weak

My argument is weak how? I think its funny your basing Rojo doing big things on exhibition games, yet my argument is the one that is weak

I'm making an argument based on what I see, and yours is that he hasn't played an actual game as the only reason. Doesn't really make much sense to me as freshmen contribute all the time. They're going to get lots of minutes on this team and put up numbers from day 1. I don't care what other players have done in the past as it has no relevance on this year or these players.

[schoosier 3,475]

You'll be eating your words by the end of the season. For some reason IU fans have turned into these negative people. I wholeheartedly agree that we shouldn't get ahead of ourselves but to say Blackmon Jr is going to be decent or just okay is ridiculous. He was recruited hard by every top program in the country.
At the end of the season I'll make sure to come back and remind you of your comments hahaha

Wait until JB2 gets gameplanned and guarded by every B1G's teams best defender. All of those easy jumpers and floaters won't come as easy. Compared to E Gordon since he was one and done, I don't even think that's fair. JB2 is not as strong, not as quick, nor has the range. I agree with pumping the brakes comment. You and many are expecting way too much from these frosh.

[Chips&Dipo 1,464]

I think Zeisloft will be a valuable piece.

 

Even if he is not a sniper or sharp shooter, if he hits 33% of his threes he would still have a better shooting percentage than Hollowell and Etherington (who would never shoot the ball or hesitate and miss).

 

I can see why people are skeptical of his on the court production. However, if he does not produce on the court, then he will be a positive influence in the locker room. That can be just as crucial.

 

Some advice. Don't use hyperbole, don't over dramatize arguments and counters, and don't turn discussions into "No YOUR WRONG" arguments. Strengthen your point and explain why you think the other's is incorrect.

[WayneFleekHoosier 48,312]

I think reality sets in between the 2 debating sides.

I can understand why hopes are high but I can see the hesitation too.

Bottom line, we have a lot of good pieces. We should be excited but realistic that we have some problems to iron out.

On the Z argument, I get it. He was solid yet underwhelming at a lower rated school. BUT, he is a year older and as a shooter, he never played alongside 2 gunners like JB and Yogi. He will have more open chances than he had at THAT lower rated school. Question remains, at what rate will he hit??

[Kepner 1,261]

...... I'll be eating my words? How exactly am I being negative? I'm saying you guys need to cool your jets. Also, where did I say anywhere that JBJ would just be decent or just okay, don't put words in my mouth. I said the comments that he was going to be a stud like some are making him out to be, again need to cool their jets. Go ahead and come back to me at the end of the season and tell me more things I never said.

Edit: Holy freaking crap. I actually went ahead and reread my comment, since originally I was just going by my memory. I said, "I think he'll be real good." Where on earth did you gather that I said he would be decent or just okay.

Only my first line about eating words was for you. And it was a joke haha
The rest was not directed at you so you calm your jets.
I was just commenting in general how I've seen people downplay Blackmon's ability. I think he is the real deal. I'm not saying he is going to average 20 ppg but I think he can do at least what Gary Harris did both years at Michigan State.
Sorry if you took offense to my post. It wasn't all directed at you so calm yourself a little hahah

[Kepner 1,261]

Wait until JB2 gets gameplanned and guarded by every B1G's teams best defender. All of those easy jumpers and floaters won't come as easy. Compared to E Gordon since he was one and done, I don't even think that's fair. JB2 is not as strong, not as quick, nor has the range. I agree with pumping the brakes comment. You and many are expecting way too much from these frosh.

He's guarded by one of the big tens best defenders every day in practice. I'll think he'll be just fine. I think he is going to lead the team in scoring. I don't have super high expectations cause I've seen the kid play a lot in high school and seeing him play at the scrimmage the other night I can tell he has already improved

[Walking Boot of Doom 18,170]

JBJ was lighting up Yogi, one of the best defenders at his position in the B1G, in the scrimmage. If opposing teams lock down JBJ, Yogi has more room to work. This isn't last year where a team could lock down on Yogi and cripple our offense. We have multiple threats at multiple positions.

[HoosierHoops1 5,024]

why are you removing players to build a new average that helps your story? If we are playing that game then I will choose to remove our two worst shooters and now we have a team average that is in the 40s% and near tops in the conference! Stats are so fun when you get to artificially manipulate them!


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YOU were using the inflated % brought on by Yogi and Noah, to say THE TEAM shot about the same as Nick Z. When every single other player shot worse. So his paltry 35% would RAISE the team average.

 

Get that? He shot worse than the team average, but replace Hollowell, Etherington and Gordon with his Paltry % and the team average GOES UP.

[HoosierHoops1 5,024]

Wait until JB2 gets gameplanned and guarded by every B1G's teams best defender. All of those easy jumpers and floaters won't come as easy. Compared to E Gordon since he was one and done, I don't even think that's fair. JB2 is not as strong, not as quick, nor has the range. I agree with pumping the brakes comment. You and many are expecting way too much from these frosh.

Of course it's not fair. Way to use the most prolific freshman scorer in Big Ten history to make an objective point. I'll take 75% as good and a 15 point average.

[CampHoosier 3,697]

I think if Z can just keep a good tempo and reduce turnovers while hitting foul shots, he's already doing more than any player that transferred by a long shot

[JSHoosier 20,178]

YOU were using the inflated % brought on by Yogi and Noah, to say THE TEAM shot about the same as Nick Z. When every single other player shot worse. So his paltry 35% would RAISE the team average.

 

Get that? He shot worse than the team average, but replace Hollowell, Etherington and Gordon with his Paltry % and the team average GOES UP.

35% would actually be pretty similar to what Gordon shot last season (33.3%, not much of a difference).

[JSHoosier 20,178]

so your whole premise is that the only reason you think they're overrated is because they havnt played a college game? That's a pretty weak argument. And I only quoted one word said by Crean. The others are from my observations watching every game of the Canada trip and HH.

It seems people are expecting too much too soon.  The majority of freshman need time to adjust to his level of play, and exhibitions and scrimmages simply are not the same.  Doing it in an intrasquad scrimmage or a meaningless exhibition simply intended to work on things against an actual opponent is not the same as doing it in a real game that actually matters.

[JSHoosier 20,178]

Quality guard depth? Yogi is great, then what. We honestly have no idea what to realistically expect from JBJ, Z is being overrated by some of you guys, Stan showed flashes but never showed the ability to consistently hit a jump shot, and Rojo is getting overrated as well. 

It happens every year.  People get so caught up on the next shiny thing.  Johnson is a freshman, and most freshman have to adjust to his level of play and it's a big difference from an exhibition or scrimmage to real games.  And I've said numerous times my stance on Zeisloft.

 

Last season posters built Evan Gordon up to be a good shooter even though he had never shown it in his playing career, and he proceeded to shoot right in line with his career average.

[Kepner 1,261]

It happens every year.  People get so caught up on the next shiny thing.  Johnson is a freshman, and most freshman have to adjust to his level of play and it's a big difference from an exhibition or scrimmage to real games.  And I've said numerous times my stance on Zeisloft.

 

Last season posters built Evan Gordon up to be a good shooter even though he had never shown it in his playing career, and he proceeded to shoot right in line with his career average.

Gordon was a pretty good shooter, but our problem last year was we had a few guys who were supposed to be good shooters (Hollowell, Gordon, Etherington, and Marlin) but they were scared to shoot the ball. 

[JSHoosier 20,178]

Gordon was a pretty good shooter, but our problem last year was we had a few guys who were supposed to be good shooters (Hollowell, Gordon, Etherington, and Marlin) but they were scared to shoot the ball. 

Gordon was decent, but that's about it.  That's all he had ever shown himself to be, and that's all he was at IU; decent.

 

I don't agree that he was scared to shoot, he just wasn't the shooter posters built him up to be.

[HoosierD 504]

JBJ was lighting up Yogi, one of the best defenders at his position in the B1G, in the scrimmage. If opposing teams lock down JBJ, Yogi has more room to work. This isn't last year where a team could lock down on Yogi and cripple our offense. We have multiple threats at multiple positions.

He was lighting up Stan and Z, got locked down by Yogi. But I 100% agree with the second part, you can't key on just 1 of the 2 bc the other will go off. If I was game planning I would be trying to lock Yogi up bc he will impact the game more than JBJ but he could go off at any time.

[WayneFleekHoosier 48,312]

Gordon's 3's attempts should have been higher.  He should have taken some of off of Sheehey's totals and nearly all off of Hollowell, Troy, and Stan.

 

Sheehey shot us out of games early in the season.  Now late in the season he had a few hot games or else his average would have been as poor as his shooting was.  Don't get me wrong on Sheehey, love his game, but he didn't play HIS game this past season.  He was and will never be a 3 point shooter.  He thought he was our 2nd best shooter though and took a bunch of terrible 3's.

 

Gordon's percentages were fairly good really.  Should have taken another 50 3's or so.

[MikeRoberts 6,998]

YOU were using the inflated % brought on by Yogi and Noah, to say THE TEAM shot about the same as Nick Z. When every single other player shot worse. So his paltry 35% would RAISE the team average.

Get that? He shot worse than the team average, but replace Hollowell, Etherington and Gordon with his Paltry % and the team average GOES UP.

Overinflated team percentage? What are you talking about? A team percentage is a team percentage. You can't add or remove players to make your own team average. Is your point that he would have been the 3rd best 3 point shooter on a bad 3 point shooting team? If so, I can agree to that perhaps but that isn't anything to brag about


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