6'4" Guard Nick Zeisloft joins Hoosiers

[schoosier 3,610]

I hope he plays awesome, but the pattern of overating our newcomers has become almost laughable. My God people, look at his past stats and percentages at a lower school. A year later and because he can somehow start for us makes him what his stats say otherwise. If he starts or plays major minutes says more about where our program is currently. This is B1g ball folks; not the Mac or Juco. Talk about unrealistic expectations; only because Crean has done the same regarding him. Hope he proves me wrong.

[GloryDays 6,037]

   With defenses trying to stop all the other weapons his percentage may end up pretty damn good.

.He hit a bunch of open shots in the north country.I like the looks of him ..Hes already hit as many threes as Etherington did in his career.That may be a slight exaggeration but I'm not sure!

[JSHoosier 21,424]

Believe he shot 46%

And you would be wrong.  Last season he shot 35.5% from 3 and 37.8% from the field.  He's never shot 46% from the field or from 3, and his shooting actually got worse from freshman to sophomore season.

 

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/56408/nick-zeisloft

[JSHoosier 21,424]

I hope he plays awesome, but the pattern of overating our newcomers has become almost laughable. My God people, look at his past stats and percentages at a lower school. A year later and because he can somehow start for us makes him what his stats say otherwise. If he starts or plays major minutes says more about where our program is currently. This is B1g ball folks; not the Mac or Juco. Talk about unrealistic expectations; only because Crean has done the same regarding him. Hope he proves me wrong.

Reminds me of the "he's a shooter" myth posters built about Evan Gordon.  No he wasn't and he never was a particularly good shooter, a career 3P% of 34%.

[Kepner 1,261]

How many minutes a game did he play there?
They were only exhibition games in Canada but I saw something from Zeisloft that we hardly saw at all from Etherington, Evan Gordon and Hollowell. He didn't play scared. He stuck to his game and wasn't scared to take an open shot.

[shortspacequickness 1,034]

And you would be wrong.  Last season he shot 35.5% from 3 and 37.8% from the field.  He's never shot 46% from the field or from 3, and his shooting actually got worse from freshman to sophomore season.

 

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/56408/nick-zeisloft

42% that's what it was, from 3. Again, I don't see why this matters. He's playing with the best guard in the league... he's going to get much better looks.

[shortspacequickness 1,034]

Just because his "numbers" weren't good enough for you in the Valley means that he can't be successful in the Big Ten? That doesn't make sense. It's a completely different situation, a completely different set of teammates. Totally different circumstance. He's playing with MUCH better players now, and in a lesser role.

 

Some of you guys treat him like the red-headed step child. He's basically come in here and demanded the respect of all included. That isn't something to take lightly...

 

There's more to this than stats. Contrary to the ESPN point of view, numbers do lie, and often. Crean found  a competitor.

 

So many of your hearts bled when Matt Roth left... and where was Matt Roth going to play if not Indiana? The Missouri Valley.

[JSHoosier 21,424]

42% that's what it was, from 3. Again, I don't see why this matters. He's playing with the best guard in the league... he's going to get much better looks.

As a freshman, when he played 15 minutes a game.  When his minutes increased to 25, his shooting fell to 35%.  It matters because his playing history shows his not this stand out shooter that people are building him up to be, he's okay but that's about it.

 

He'll also be playing against better competition then he faced in the MVC.

[shortspacequickness 1,034]

As a freshman, when he played 15 minutes a game.  When his minutes increased to 25, his shooting fell to 35%.  It matters because his playing history shows his not this stand out shooter that people are building him up to be, he's okay but that's about it.

 

He'll also be playing against better competition then he faced in the MVC.

And he's older, more experienced and will be able to take it. It isn't like he was a D3 player like what Beilein took in. The MVC is damn good basketball, and yes they have teams that could compete in the Big Ten...

 

Worry over his stats all you want, it doesn't mean a thing... he's in a completely different role.

[shortspacequickness 1,034]

It isn't about percentages... it's about the fact that he makes back-breakers. He isn't lacking in the groin region if you know what I mean. He's got that Chicago shit to him.

[HoosierAloha 30,092]

I will only use stats when they work in my favor. If they don't, they don't actually exist in my world.

Can't wait to watch him get some run, even if it's only 15 minutes per game. A three here to stop a run or a three there to ignite a run would be much better than our options last season.

[JSHoosier 21,424]

And he's older, more experienced and will be able to take it. It isn't like he was a D3 player like what Beilein took in. The MVC is damn good basketball, and yes they have teams that could compete in the Big Ten...

 

Worry over his stats all you want, it doesn't mean a thing... he's in a completely different role.

The MVC produced a grand total of one NCAA tourney team, Wichita State.  Indiana State?  NIT.  Missouri State (the only other 20 win team)?  CIT.  No other team won more than 18 games, and that team was a whopping 2 games over .500.

 

That's "damn good" to you?

[Kepner 1,261]

The MVC produced a grand total of one NCAA tourney team, Wichita State. Indiana State? NIT. Missouri State (the only other 20 win team)? CIT. No other team won more than 18 games, and that team was a whopping 2 games over .500.

That's "damn good" to you?

I think we get the point that you are not impressed with the MVC or Zeisloft....

[shortspacequickness 1,034]

The MVC produced a grand total of one NCAA tourney team, Wichita State.  Indiana State?  NIT.  Missouri State (the only other 20 win team)?  CIT.  No other team won more than 18 games, and that team was a whopping 2 games over .500.

 

That's "damn good" to you?

Watch them play... you'll see what I mean. Again with the numbers... the D1 basketball landscape has really changed. There's not much drop off when you get to leagues like the Valley, the Mountain West, A10.

[8bucks 6,907]

I liked what I saw out of Nick in Canada and it appears he can really help with his shooting. It is a stretch to say he is definitively a lights out shooter. If you base it on his prior college experience he has proven himself to be a good (not great) outside shooter.

If you base it on his Canadian performance then those results are encouraging but limited. That is Stuhoos point. We often overhype our kids and we should be encouraged but it is too early to declare him to be a dead eye shooter

I like how he seems confident in his shot and shoots when he is open. He seems a better fit than AE because of his potential as a shooter and his proven leadership.

[shortspacequickness 1,034]

FWIW, didn't want to come across as saying he is a great shooter. James Blackmon is a great shooter, but no one else on this team is a great shooter. Johnson might be that one day. Nick is a good shooter, which is a monumental improvement over last year's awful, horrendous, atrocious shooting of some who I'll not name...

[Kepner 1,261]

FWIW, didn't want to come across as saying he is a great shooter. James Blackmon is a great shooter, but no one else on this team is a great shooter. Johnson might be that one day. Nick is a good shooter, which is a monumental improvement over last year's awful, horrendous, atrocious shooting of some who I'll not name...

I don't think Blackmon Jr is the only great shooter on the team

[FKfootball 1,046]

Yogi Ferrell is our best shooter to date. He has proven that. Zeisloft will be a 3 point machine guys. Hes gonna hit some backbreaking treys.

[schoosier 3,610]

Just because his "numbers" weren't good enough for you in the Valley means that he can't be successful in the Big Ten? That doesn't make sense. It's a completely different situation, a completely different set of teammates. Totally different circumstance. He's playing with MUCH better players now, and in a lesser role.
 
Some of you guys treat him like the red-headed step child. He's basically come in here and demanded the respect of all included. That isn't something to take lightly...
 
There's more to this than stats. Contrary to the ESPN point of view, numbers do lie, and often. Crean found  a competitor.
 
So many of your hearts bled when Matt Roth left... and where was Matt Roth going to play if not Indiana? The Missouri Valley.

He may be playing with better players but also against better players, teams and defense. You earn respect on the court; demanding it won't get you a bag of chips. Tell me exactly how numbers lie, when a vast majority of coaches now are looking to run a Brad Stevens philosophy where every stat and number is tracked and manipulated. This is how teams, well most, game plan for opponents all the way down to in bounds plays, fouling, etc... I'm sorry but you are completely mislead if you don't think a players numbers don't matter. Just ask any real coach. Also, Z will have his work cut out for him to match Roth's shooting. How many 3's did roth hit the one game he went for 30+? Wishful thinking though.

[JSHoosier 21,424]

He may be playing with better players but also against better players, teams and defense. You earn respect on the court; demanding it won't get you a bag of chips. Tell me exactly how numbers lie, when a vast majority of coaches now are looking to run a Brad Stevens philosophy where every stat and number is tracked and manipulated. This is how teams, well most, game plan for opponents all the way down to in bounds plays, fouling, etc... I'm sorry but you are completely mislead if you don't think a players numbers don't matter. Just ask any real coach. Also, Z will have his work cut out for him to match Roth's shooting. How many 3's did roth hit the one game he went for 30+? Wishful thinking though.

I'm far from the biggest stats guy and even I'll admit they have their place and are more accurate than the eye test, especially advanced metrics.  Numbers inherently lack bias and they aren't going anywhere, as you said they're becoming a bigger part of the game.

 

I have my doubts that people would be saying the same things if Michigan or another school signed a role player from a bad team (yes, Illinois State was) in a bad conference (yes, the MVC was pretty weak).