6'4" Guard Nick Zeisloft joins Hoosiers

[schoosier 3,740]

Bozich at ITH predicted plenty of minutes and maybe even starting minutes for Zeisloft.
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Maybe at the 4 position with Troy at 5 lol. Our best lineup with gives us the best chance to win is Yogi, JB2, Troy, Devin and Hanner. The big ifs for this to happen is whether Holt is serviceable as a true frosh. Another lineup of the same substituting Stan for Devin I could also see if we want to go small. I would really like to see Devin getting a chance to play a lot an early. I think he brings a lot of intangibles we missed last year. But as far as Z, I see him subbing for JB2 and I expect JB2 to get a ton of minutes.

[Hovadipo 61,470]

Maybe at the 4 position with Troy at 5 lol. Our best lineup with gives us the best chance to win is Yogi, JB2, Troy, Devin and Hanner. The big ifs for this to happen is whether Holt is serviceable as a true frosh. Another lineup of the same substituting Stan for Devin I could also see if we want to go small. I would really like to see Devin getting a chance to play a lot an early. I think he brings a lot of intangibles we missed last year. But as far as Z, I see him subbing for JB2 and I expect JB2 to get a ton of minutes.

JB2 and Yogi need to be hovering around 30, probably more for Yogi. Same with Troy as well, most likely. I think at the 3rd guard spot there will be a steady (hopefully not too much subbing) stream of Z, Stan, and Rob with those 3 also taking the other 20ish minutes that Yogi and Jimbo aren't out there. I would love to be able to start Devin and Hanner, but I don't think that's very realistic. Hopefully we can use that lineup some, though. But back to Z, whether people like it or not, I think he will be on the floor quite a bit this year. Especially if he plays like he did in Canada, in which case people will LOVE him.


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[MikeRoberts 7,995]

Maybe at the 4 position with Troy at 5 lol. Our best lineup with gives us the best chance to win is Yogi, JB2, Troy, Devin and Hanner. The big ifs for this to happen is whether Holt is serviceable as a true frosh. Another lineup of the same substituting Stan for Devin I could also see if we want to go small. I would really like to see Devin getting a chance to play a lot an early. I think he brings a lot of intangibles we missed last year. But as far as Z, I see him subbing for JB2 and I expect JB2 to get a ton of minutes.

thanks, I didn't know if he stated that he spoke to the staff or had heard from players etc. just curious if it was a hunch or if there was any concrete reason for him to say that. I think Z will get some quality backup minutes as well but not starting. Who knows, that maybe he had heard something


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[Kepner 1,268]

People who didn't see the team play games in Canada probably shouldn't comment on next years team just yet. Zeisloft showed that he can shoot and provide a lot for this year. I wouldn't be surprised to see him starting. I would love to have DD and Hanner in at the same time, but I don't see it happening to often. Crean has never played two big men together too often. Plus with the limited big men we have, it wouldnt be smart to play two at the same time for fear of foul trouble.

[MikeRoberts 7,995]

People who didn't see the team play games in Canada probably shouldn't comment on next years team just yet. Zeisloft showed that he can shoot and provide a lot for this year. I wouldn't be surprised to see him starting. I would love to have DD and Hanner in at the same time, but I don't see it happening to often. Crean has never played two big men together too often. Plus with the limited big men we have, it wouldnt be smart to play two at the same time for fear of foul trouble.

I agree with crean not likely playing Davis and perea together but it shouldn't be due to foul concerns. What can get big men in foul trouble is teammates being dominated/beaten and them trying to clean up their mess and that will happen a lot if we play super small ball


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[Hovadipo 61,470]

So Alex has RoJo starting over Stan....interesting....saying alot for RoJo...Stans a hard core slashing warrior....

I think Stan is an excellent 6th man. He has the talent and everything else to start, but he helps the team more as a spark off the bench. Not to take anything away from Rob, but that's how I look at it.


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[KingPG21 6,587]

People who didn't see the team play games in Canada probably shouldn't comment on next years team just yet. Zeisloft showed that he can shoot and provide a lot for this year. I wouldn't be surprised to see him starting. I would love to have DD and Hanner in at the same time, but I don't see it happening to often. Crean has never played two big men together too often. Plus with the limited big men we have, it wouldnt be smart to play two at the same time for fear of foul trouble.

And the people who are using the Canada trip as their prime argument for Z excelling here probably should go ahead and pump the breaks a bit

[WayneFleekHoosier 51,463]

I feel like I like Stans game more than most. He didn't get great minutes in Canada at all compared to others. I don't get it really. He had boxscores like 14 Pts in 17 minutes, then I ask why 17 minutes???

I thought we took too long to get him minutes last year too.


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[Kepner 1,268]

And the people who are using the Canada trip as their prime argument for Z excelling here probably should go ahead and pump the breaks a bit

Im not solely using that as my argument for Z excelling here. But in those few games he looked like a vast improvement over players like Etherington and Hollowell, so thats definitely a plus.

[LazOffTheBench 3,638]

I did some research on Zeisloft before he was even being mentioned as a possibility for IU, knowing that he was an available graduate transfer with two years of eligibility left. I quickly learned that he was an excellent student, a team leader ( as described by his former college coach ), and could shoot the 3. I'm very glad that he is at IU. I firmly believe he will contribute to the team both on and off the court.

[Walking Boot of Doom 18,170]

My big question is where are his minutes coming? Unless we play a 3 guard lineup(which is obvious) and plan to press for 40 minutes, I just don't see him getting much smell at all. I see him 5 on guard depth chart, but we may end up with a four guard lineup and Troy at center. At least that's what I've told Troys mom which she seems to confirm my thinking. If that ends up happening, we will get absolutely killed on the boards which I expect anyway. Playing zone its hard to rebound combined with long shots. We lived and mostly died with the outside shot last year and it will be more of the same this year. Teams will let anyone but JB2 shoot and that's what we'll do.

His mom agreed that he needs to work on his post moves, not that we'd run a four guard offense with Troy playing the 5. I really can't imagine why that would happen unless we suffered multiple injuries of DD and HMP. Crean will use them both at the 5 and Troy at the 4. Troy may end up in more situations like Watford playing a little with his back to the basket, but it's really hard to imagine Crean throwing him in at the 5


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[Hovadipo 61,470]

Stan can be an obsolute animal of defense as well......We're talkin glue here.....He only gets better as his shot improves.

Absolutely. I think he will come off the bench and take over his fair share of games this, and the next few years. Hell, he even did a few times last year. Once he starts getting to the basket and feeling it, things can get dangerous. Love his fire too. A nicely-timed technical from him every so often wouldn't hurt a thing either in my book.


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[Walking Boot of Doom 18,170]

He's a 6-8' slashing forward that can play guard as well...Talking Troy here....

Yeah, and I'm confused why schoosier keeps thinking he'd play at the 5


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[Hovadipo 61,470]

Stan "ain't" shy about takin a swing now and then! lol They had to pull him away several times last year.

Haha and I love it. Just as long as we aren't in a tight spot late in a game. We need somebody like that though.


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[schoosier 3,740]

His mom agreed that he needs to work on his post moves, not that we'd run a four guard offense with Troy playing the 5. I really can't imagine why that would happen unless we suffered multiple injuries of DD and HMP. Crean will use them both at the 5 and Troy at the 4. Troy may end up in more situations like Watford playing a little with his back to the basket, but it's really hard to imagine Crean throwing him in at the 5
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Its really hard to imagine Indiana University having a 6'8" starting center and his backup being 6'7" which sums up our inside game this year. Combine that with both of the above mentioned neither playing more than 10 miunutes a game previously with one having major foul issues and the other not far behind. Now imagining Troy playing the 5 isn't so hard to imagine unless our other 6'7" true frosh Holt can play the post or April in a boot and crutches or Priller. Now whom to you propose to play the post? And yes, Troys mom agreed he should work on his post moves just like I said. She obviously sees what you don't and with us being woefully weak inside, maybe you should open your eyes.

[Kepner 1,268]

Its really hard to imagine Indiana University having a 6'8" starting center and his backup being 6'7" which sums up our inside game this year. Combine that with both of the above mentioned neither playing more than 10 miunutes a game previously with one having major foul issues and the other not far behind. Now imagining Troy playing the 5 isn't so hard to imagine unless our other 6'7" true frosh Holt can play the post or April in a boot and crutches or Priller. Now whom to you propose to play the post? And yes, Troys mom agreed he should work on his post moves just like I said. She obviously sees what you don't and with us being woefully weak inside, maybe you should open your eyes.

Hanner and DD followed by Holt

[Walking Boot of Doom 18,170]

Its really hard to imagine Indiana University having a 6'8" starting center and his backup being 6'7" which sums up our inside game this year. Combine that with both of the above mentioned neither playing more than 10 miunutes a game previously with one having major foul issues and the other not far behind. Now imagining Troy playing the 5 isn't so hard to imagine unless our other 6'7" true frosh Holt can play the post or April in a boot and crutches or Priller. Now whom to you propose to play the post? And yes, Troys mom agreed he should work on his post moves just like I said. She obviously sees what you don't and with us being woefully weak inside, maybe you should open your eyes.

Holt will play the post before Troy does. We have HMP, then Davis, then Holt at the 5. It's not ideal, nor comforting, but there's no reason to put Troy at the 5 where he has no relevant skills. All of his skills translate to a stretch 3 or the 4. I understand that you can't leave the snarky little comments out of your posts, but I'm trying to have a legitimate basketball conversation here.


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[schoosier 3,740]

Holt will play the post before Troy does. We have HMP, then Davis, then Holt at the 5. It's not ideal, nor comforting, but there's no reason to put Troy at the 5 where he has no relevant skills. All of his skills translate to a stretch 3 or the 4. I understand that you can't leave the snarky little comments out of your posts, but I'm trying to have a legitimate basketball conversation here.
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Tell me the relevant skills either Hanner or Devin would have over Troy right now at the 5 other than they are all we got? They are all the same size and I would venture to say Troy has better inside moves than either of the others. Who plays better with their back to the basket? Who knows since we have yet to see Hanner play more than 3 minute stretches due to foul issues. You quoted my post which I replied. If you don't like my reply please quote someone else's posts.

[Walking Boot of Doom 18,170]

Tell me the relevant skills either Hanner or Devin would have over Troy right now at the 5 other than they are all we got? They are all the same size and I would venture to say Troy has better inside moves than either of the others. Who plays better with their back to the basket? Who knows since we have yet to see Hanner play more than 3 minute stretches due to foul issues. You quoted my post which I replied. If you don't like my reply please quote someone else's posts.

HMP and DD have the strength to bully opposing players on both offense and defense in the post that Troy does not necessarily posses. Troy is much better at player from the wing. I haven't seen Holt, but his strengths primarily lie in the post. Why would you take someone out of a position that they excel in and place them somewhere they aren't suited for when you have three serviceable players who can fill that position instead?


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[WayneFleekHoosier 51,463]

Tell me the relevant skills either Hanner or Devin would have over Troy right now at the 5 other than they are all we got? They are all the same size and I would venture to say Troy has better inside moves than either of the others. Who plays better with their back to the basket? Who knows since we have yet to see Hanner play more than 3 minute stretches due to foul issues. You quoted my post which I replied. If you don't like my reply please quote someone else's posts.

I kind of agree here. However, Hanner is most likely to log major minutes at the 5 due to size and athleticism. I could SEE Troy defending the 5 better than DD tbh. I don't think I like DD as a 5 much. He does have rebounding tenacity but he got abused by the Bigger guys last year when he played the 5. I think we need 25+ minutes from Hanner.

However, I think a lineup of Yogi, JB, (Stan, Rojo, Z), (Max, Holt, DD), Troy could be fast and fun.

Troy has the height and athleticism to guard the 5 vs most in a pinch.